Moultonborough Trash Inspection

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

... "Pay Per Throw or Pay Per Bag programs ........

Yup, works in my town. We pay $1.50 per bag we take to the transfer station. The town gave us blue and green buckets for recycle and picks up the recycle each week for free, just put it at the curb. The only thing they check at the transfer station is if each bag has the prepaid sticker of the proper color for the year. $1.50 per bag is the incentive to recycle.

[Jonas Pilot]

How big are the bags? Will they hold a couple kitchen size trash bags?

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by Jonas Pilot

How big are the bags? Will they hold a couple kitchen size trash bags?

34 gallon bag, I think I also saw somewhere a 35 pound limit but I can't find it on the local town website. I can cram about 4 or so kitchen size bags in it ... if I push hard ... or what fills one outside plastic garbage can.

Slight error, only $1.40 per bag, buy a sheet of 5 stickers for $7. Anything that doesn't fit in a bag is 7 cents per pound, $7.00 minimum.

[CrawfordCentury]

Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

Yup, works in my town. We pay $1.50 per bag we take to the transfer station. The town gave us blue and green buckets for recycle and picks up the recycle each week for free, just put it at the curb. The only thing they check at the transfer station is if each bag has the prepaid sticker of the proper color for the year. $1.50 per bag is the incentive to recycle.

So, they're getting you twice.

If that's what the good folks of the Ocean State like, fine. Not here, please. Making the top 10 isn't a goal of many of us. #46 is just fine for me.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/10/pf/t...ates/index.htm

Originally Posted by CrawfordCentury

Not a good idea, IMO. Milton makes you buy see-thru bags from the town. They're like a buck a piece. So if you use an average of 4 bags a year, that's an additional annual expense of $200.

Nifty way to heap on a new tax, I suppose.

[AB_Monterey]

We've got the same situation here in Raymond.

1.50/bag. We may put one one bag a month. $12/year.

We have curbside recycling as well and we also compost.

I'm constantly amazed when I drive by houses that have 2-3 of the green bags out EVERY week.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by CrawfordCentury

So, they're getting you twice. ..

Not sure I understand what you mean by twice.

I agree, don't really like being in the "top 10".

[trfour]

The true feelings of Christmas... I love this website, however, where is the site Police, to put this thread in, (lets say, a more appropriate place)??

I can understand everyone's disappointments, but at the same time, we will all come out of this, (On The Other Side)!! I HOPE!

Bag this thread, and save it for the HOT weather, (When it realy stinks!)

[SAMIAM]

I don't think it's wise to charge for appliances and small amounts of demolition.....anyone on tough times is going to dump in the woods......or even worse, in the lake. I found a dishwasher dumped on our road last summer and took it to the Meredith transfer station.....I explained the situation but the attendant still charged me. Every spring we take my tractor out to collect bottles and cans beside the road........In case anyone wants to know, Bud lite and Mikes Hard lemonade are the favorites of ice fishermen. We usually get 3-4 bags in 2/3 mile of road.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

I don't think it's wise to charge for appliances and small amounts of demolition.....anyone on tough times is going to dump in the woods......or even worse, in the lake. I found a dishwasher dumped on our road last summer and took it to the Meredith transfer station.....I explained the situation but the attendant still charged me. Every spring we take my tractor out to collect bottles and cans beside the road........In case anyone wants to know, Bud lite and Mikes Hard lemonade are the favorites of ice fishermen. We usually get 3-4 bags in 2/3 mile of road.

I hear you about the Ice Fisherman Sam....... Appearently two or three years ago my camp was a nice vantage point from which to over see their tip ups.... When I arrived after the melt, I found a few cases of empties on my deck.....

Now I will say this beside the empties I found there was no other evidence that they had been there.... so although they left some bottles laying around..... they were not abussive in anyway......

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

I don't think it's wise to charge for appliances and small amounts of demolition.....anyone on tough times is going to dump in the woods......or even worse, in the lake. I found a dishwasher dumped on our road last summer and took it to the Meredith transfer station.....I explained the situation but the attendant still charged me. Every spring we take my tractor out to collect bottles and cans beside the road........In case anyone wants to know, Bud lite and Mikes Hard lemonade are the favorites of ice fishermen. We usually get 3-4 bags in 2/3 mile of road.

Sam, I could not agree more regarding the appliance and small demo charges. If you have ever driven the Road to Hana on Maui, you will quickly understand why charging a fee to dispose of these items is bad. Granted a different set of challenges there, but we counted over 25 cars and 17 appliances on that one road, everywhere there was a turn in, it was packed with all kinds of junk.

The other issues with towns charging for appliance disposal is this. Any appliance with "Hard" metal in them, dryers, stoves, washing machines, etc, get you a refund at the recycling plant in Concord (over 400lbs needed). Most towns charge for these appliances and then when the pile is big enough they go collect some more money at the recycling center. Frigs cost only $10 at the recycling center as well. Most towns double dip. When I was in property management we would stock pile our appliances that needed to go to the scrap yard until we had a truck and trailer load and go directly to Concord with it, we saved on average $3,000.00 per year by bypassing the town dump and that includes getting money back on certain items instead of paying out. 240 low income apartments generated alot of appliance turnover.

[CrawfordCentury]

Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

Not sure I understand what you mean by twice.

I agree, don't really like being in the "top 10".

Assuming that your transfer station/dump isn't run by volunteers, that department is being funded through your local property tax. The rubbish bag scam is akin to a 'surcharge' - a term the folks in Concord (and I'd assume Providence and Boston, too) like to use when they're trying to bilk us for more without using the dreaded 't' word.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by CrawfordCentury

Assuming that your transfer station/dump isn't run by volunteers, that department is being funded through your local property tax. The rubbish bag scam is akin to a 'surcharge' - ...

Ok, gotcha ... understand. They "claim" it offsets the money they would raise from taxes. Also tha transfer station is now only open 3 day a week ... to further reduce the ever increasing taxes.

[CrawfordCentury]

Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

Ok, gotcha ... understand. They "claim" it offsets the money they would raise from taxes. Also tha transfer station is now only open 3 day a week ... to further reduce the ever increasing taxes.

Hey, that's swell. I bet that you've seen your local tax rate decrease to reflect the offsets generated through rubbish bag sales.

[fatlazyless]

Good golly......why not have a New Hampshire nickel deposit on cans and bottles just like most every other state? That would probably help to keep all the cans and bottles out of the transfer stations and purchasers wold happily return them to retail stores, like super markets , which sells them. The Massachusets super markets all have can return vending machines located in their entry vestibule area which take in cans, and give out store credits.

Plus, it would probably help to eliminate the can and bottle roadside litter. Down in Boston, it seems like they have a squadron of down & out homeless types who patrol the back alleys, investigating the trash bags on trash day, while looking for returnables just for the nickel/can.

Can collecting: not just a nickel job, more like a nickel career! .... .

[breathe easy]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Good golly......why not have a New Hampshire nickel deposit on cans and bottles just like most every other state?

There is a bill in the 2010 NH House proposing just that:

HOUSE BILL 675-FN "To encourage container reuse and recycling, every beverage container sold or offered for sale to a consumer in this state shall have a deposit and refund value. The deposit value shall be $0.05 per container. Handling fees per container shall be $0.035, or $0.03 for commingling"

But one down side according to the Fiscal Impact statement attached to the bill :

"The Commission assumes the deposit on wine bottles cannot be passed to the consumer without an impact in wine sales, and therefore the Commission will absorb the full impact of the deposit, reducing wine revenue by $1,160,978 "
"The Commission assumes the deposit will reduce the price advantage over other states and may reduce gallons of beer sold by up to 40% which would reduce beer tax revenues up to $4,980,000 "

[tis]

Years ago, you returned bottles in this state. Some people used to walk up and down the road looking for bottles and returning them for the money.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

Originally Posted by tis

Years ago, you returned bottles in this state. Some people used to walk up and down the road looking for bottles and returning them for the money.

I was one of those kids walking the streets in the 60s picking up bottles for $0.02 each. Two cents was worth the effort to this kid. That was the free market at work. Not a government program with layers of bureaucrats making a living out of it with hopes of poor redemption to make profits. The good old days. Coke paid the retailer money to get the bottle back so they could wash it and use it again and again.

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

I was one of those kids walking the streets in the 60s picking up bottles for $0.02 each. Two cents was worth the effort to this kid. That was the free market at work. Not a government program with layers of bureaucrats making a living out of it with hopes of poor redemption to make profits. The good old days. Coke paid the retailer money to get the bottle back so they could wash it and use it again and again.

I was selling Coke and Cott back in the early fifties. Coke was .035 per 6 oz bottle plus the .02 deposit. I was selling to golfers for .15 and I got 98% of the bottles back to return to Coke. Not a bad profit margin.

[CrawfordCentury]

So we've gone from rubbish inspections to the institution of a new state government program. I see how this works.

Guess I'll just drink more beer and wine to circumvent this new surcharge. Now all we'll need is a government-managed health care system to treat the alcohol-related illness I'll encounter a few years down the road.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

I was one of those kids walking the streets in the 60s picking up bottles for $0.02 each. Two cents was worth the effort to this kid. .....

My cousin in NH did that too. The bottles earned him a snow shovel ... which earned him a snowblower ... which earned him a pickup truck with snowplow.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by CrawfordCentury

Hey, that's swell. I bet that you've seen your local tax rate decrease to reflect the offsets generated through rubbish bag sales.

I wish! The "claim" doesn't match the reality. Like elsewhere the line is: taxes would have gone up even more if we didn't cut your services.