Planning a trip for 5 familys' with boats

[ApS]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

"...Usually folks who "Trailer from lake to lake" have smaller family vessels. Maybe I am wrong but think about it..."

OK, I did think about it.

Mentioned above was parking for large trailers.

Nice catch, sunset on the dock.

How'd I miss it?

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

OK, I did think about it.

Mentioned above was parking for large trailers.

Nice catch, sunset on the dock.

How'd I miss it?

Again all the snapping w/o asking for, or waiting for, the facts. From the OP ...

Our Boats, Mine is a 2007 Monterey 250 CR with 3 aboard, Another Monterey 270CR. I think its an 06. Its him , wife and 2 kids. There is a Regal 2750 with 2 adults. A Well Craft 252 coastal (?) with 3 aboard. Lastly there is a Proline 26' . Not sure of the model but 3 on board that as well.

So we've got 5 boats, 25 - 27' in length. Two are express cruisers, 1 cuddy and 2 fishing boats with cabins (walkarounds). None are GFBLs in any form. Admittedly all are above the Madrasah 24' boat tax limit.

[alsadad]

This situation is getting out of control and must be stopped. These people are filling vacant motel rooms, increasing wait times at local restaurants, and monopolizing large bays at car washes. Heck, they might even raft in Braun Bay! And the worst part is… they aren’t even from here. To address this problem, I am joining with some intelligent, like-minded individuals (if I can find any) to form a new organization: Winnipesaukee Fogies Against Regional Tourists (With Large Trailers), or WINNFART (WLT) for short.

Come spring the organization will set up checkpoints around the lakes region. We will be seeking volunteers to staff the checkpoints, preferably people who know an out-of-state license plate and a “large trailer” when they see one. All donations gratefully accepted. Thank you for your support.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by alsadad

This situation is getting out of control and must be stopped. These people are filling vacant motel rooms, increasing wait times at local restaurants, and monopolizing large bays at car washes. Heck, they might even raft in Braun Bay! And the worst part is… they aren’t even from here. To address this problem, I am joining with some intelligent, like-minded individuals (if I can find any) to form a new organization: Winnipesaukee Fogies Against Regional Tourists (With Large Trailers), or WINNFART (WLT) for short.

Come spring the organization will set up checkpoints around the lakes region. We will be seeking volunteers to staff the checkpoints, preferably people who know an out-of-state license plate and a “large trailer” when they see one. All donations gratefully accepted. Thank you for your support.

I have stayed out of this conversation but I couldn't agree more alsadad. Is this really what our state is being portrayed as?

NH's #1 economic resource is tourism. Why is it that some treat people from out of state as evil? Why are they made to feel un-welcome. My family has owned property in the state of 17 years, vacationed here for over 33 years and because I loved what NH has to offer I have been a resident and taxpayer for over 5 years.

NH as a whole, not only the lakes region, is a beautiful state with so much to offer. A great place to vacation, live and raise a family.

So many people complain about taxes, property, llc taxes, fees, registration etc etc..... Well those will only get worse if people who want to come to the state and bring out of state dollars to spend, are keep being made to feel as unwelcome and the enemy. Especially when the our economy is dependant on out of staters.

I for one want to thank BSS for considering vacationing here and I would be happy to personally show you around the lake when you come up in August. The lake is a natural treasure that is enjoyed by all, not only residents of NH, or those that some would consider as "NH natives".

Please feel free to PM me if you would like to meet up. I would be happy to show you around or answer any questions you may have.

Happy Boating and Welcome to NH!

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I have stayed out of this conversation but I couldn't agree more alsadad. Is this really what our state is being portrayed as?

NH's #1 economic resource is tourism. Why is it that some treat people from out of state as evil? Why are they made to feel un-welcome. My family has owned property in the state of 17 years, vacationed here for over 33 years and because I loved what NH has to offer I have been a resident and taxpayer for over 5 years.

NH as a whole, not only the lakes region, is a beautiful state with so much to offer. A great place to vacation, live and raise a family.

So many people complain about taxes, property, llc taxes, fees, registration etc etc..... Well those will only get worse if people who want to come to the state and bring out of state dollars to spend, are keep being made to feel as unwelcome and the enemy. Especially when the our economy is dependant on out of staters.

I for one want to thank BSS for considering vacationing here and I would be happy to personally show you around the lake when you come up in August. The lake is a natural treasure that is enjoyed by all, not only residents of NH, or those that some would consider as "NH natives".

Please feel free to PM me if you would like to meet up. I would be happy to show you around or answer any questions you may have.

Happy Boating and Welcome to NH!

Guys, it really has nothing to do with the people from out of state and it has nothing to do with the tourists from out of state. What happens is when someone comes into an area that has made way more money than the locals and builds a house that is valued at 6-10 times the median value of any home around it, it makes everyones taxes go up, thus making the lower income earning locals lives even harder because they can no longer afford to live in their homes. And the more homes that are built this way, the worse it gets. Locals are being priced out of their own areas.

This is not just a NH/Mass thing, Maine has this issue, VT has this issue, basically anywhere that you have a major hub of business that is within 4 hours of someplace fun to play at, you are going to have this problem. Look at what is happening in Pittsburg, the mass development up there has happened within the last 15 years, family that has had camps up there for over 60 years have sold out because the taxes on a shack are almost as much as they are on the primary house.

Its not that the people are not nice, it is more of a feeling that we are being evicted from our own homes so that someone else has a place to play. Not everyone has the option to work in a major city and make twice what we would around here, some of us do not care how much money we have or have figured out how to make money in the area that they live. I will also say that not everyone is nice, and many look very far down their noses at the locals, the college and high school aged kids are probably giving everyone a bad name, some of those kids are down right stuck-up. I have a very nice private boarding school in my town and I could share some stories that if their parent understood how they acted, I would hope that they would not appriciate it.

It's a frustration thing more than anything else, we are also at the point now where we are starting to lose the traditions that the folks of this area have been participating in for generations. But yet all we can do is complain, while our new neighbors are trying to fix things for us. But, progress is progress and with the amount of people living in this country, it is bound to get worse, the least we can do is enjoy your money when it gets spent here and have a drink with you.

This is not a Winnipesaukee only event, it is all over the state.

But if you really wanted to know, there you have it, and no I am not resentful, I am one of the ones that have figured out how to make a great living staying local and I work on waterfront property enough to know that I would not want to live there full time, its too damn windy!

Anyway, come on up and enjoy yourself, the area has alot to offer and most of us are very nice.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by jmen24

Guys, it really has nothing to do with the people from out of state and it has nothing to do with the tourists from out of state. What happens is when someone comes into an area that has made way more money than the locals and builds a house that is valued at 6-10 times the median value of any home around it, it makes everyones taxes go up, thus making the lower income earning locals lives even harder because they can no longer afford to live in their homes. And the more homes that are built this way, the worse it gets. Locals are being priced out of their own areas.

Jmen, while I agree with you 110% on the property discussion, I think this thread was directed more for those coming here to vacation not to build or buy land / develop it.

The original poster was getting a sense of an overall tone of the lake due to recent legislation whether that be SL, Rafting or Limits on public ramps. These issues from an outsider point of view has begun to portray NH as un-friendly or un-welcoming. We really need to make sure people don't feel this way or perceive NH this way for it could have catasrophic results.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Jmen, while I agree with you 110% on the property discussion, I think this thread was directed more for those coming here to vacation not to build or buy land / develop it.

The original poster was getting a sense of an overall tone of the lake due to recent legislation whether that be SL, Rafting or Limits on public ramps. These issues from an outsider point of view has begun to portray NH as un-friendly or un-welcoming. We really need to make sure people don't feel this way or perceive NH this way for it could have catasrophic results.

OCD, that is how I understood it as well, just giving a response to you and alsadad regarding why many locals have hard feelings. My post should have been more directed to alsadad than you, just answering the question.

I agree about changing the perspective about folks looking to vacation here, but that feeling is happening because of what I mentioned in my post. The state is not doing itself any favors and never has when it comes to handling these situations. It is being railroaded by folks with OUR best interests in mind, tell me if you have heard that before.

I appologize BSS for taking this thread off topic, enjoy your stay up here, the lake is beautiful and you will feel very welcome when you get here, have fun and open those boats up across the broads and help us out.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I have stayed out of this conversation but I couldn't agree more alsadad. Is this really what our state is being portrayed as?

NH's #1 economic resource is tourism. Why is it that some treat people from out of state as evil? Why are they made to feel un-welcome.

So many people complain about taxes, property, llc taxes, fees, registration etc etc..... Well those will only get worse if people who want to come to the state and bring out of state dollars to spend, are keep being made to feel as unwelcome and the enemy. Especially when the our economy is dependant on out of staters.

The problem however is that some are using a single change in one of our laws for their only supporting argument for why out of staters are being made to feel unwelcome, making the argument seem in fact to be a smoke screen for something else (see 2 important letters to the editor in the Laconia Sun and Laconia Citizen from 2 days ago...they can be seen on line). As has been pointed out in this forum over the last couple days, many businesses and marinas (Greater than 350) feel this single change will improve the overall friendliness factor of the state and thereby translate into more tourist dollars, not fewer. And this is what has caught the attention of our reps in Concord.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

The problem however is that some are using a single change in one of our laws for their only supporting argument for why out of staters are being made to feel unwelcome, making the argument seem in fact to be a smoke screen for something else (see 2 important letters to the editor in the Laconia Sun and Laconia Citizen from 2 days ago...they can be seen on line). As has been pointed out in this forum over the last couple days, many businesses and marinas (Greater than 350) feel this single change will improve the overall friendliness factor of the state and thereby translate into more tourist dollars, not fewer. And this is what has caught the attention of our reps in Concord.

Sunset, what color should I paint my house this spring?

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by jmen24

Sunset, what color should I paint my house this spring?

How about.......BLACK

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

The problem however is that some are using a single change in one of our laws for their only supporting argument for why out of staters are being made to feel unwelcome, making the argument seem in fact to be a smoke screen for something else (see 2 important letters to the editor in the Laconia Sun and Laconia Citizen from 2 days ago...they can be seen on line). As has been pointed out in this forum over the last couple days, many businesses and marinas (Greater than 350) feel this single change will improve the overall friendliness factor of the state and thereby translate into more tourist dollars, not fewer. And this is what has caught the attention of our reps in Concord.

Hey sunset, great to see you are still around. Hope all is well with you and your family.

I am not however going to get dragged down that path of discussing one issue. There are many issues that have began to give this "tone" to NH and it won't be a single change that will curb these feelings. We all need to work together to help promote the lakes region as a place for all to enjoy rather then continuing useless arguments that only support these detrimental perceptions for those looking to vacation here.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by alsadad

This situation is getting out of control and must be stopped. These people are filling vacant motel rooms, increasing wait times at local restaurants, and monopolizing large bays at car washes. Heck, they might even raft in Braun Bay! And the worst part is… they aren’t even from here. To address this problem, I am joining with some intelligent, like-minded individuals (if I can find any) to form a new organization: Winnipesaukee Fogies Against Regional Tourists (With Large Trailers), or WINNFART (WLT) for short.

Come spring the organization will set up checkpoints around the lakes region. We will be seeking volunteers to staff the checkpoints, preferably people who know an out-of-state license plate and a “large trailer” when they see one. All donations gratefully accepted. Thank you for your support.

Well...our new Ambassador of the Winni Forum and Grand Inquisitor for Suspected Trolls seems to have let this post slip by. Guess it just matters which side you're on, eh HN?

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Well...our new Ambassador of the Winni Forum and Grand Inquisitor for Suspected Trolls seems to have let this post slip by. Guess it just matters which side you're on, eh HN?

It's called misdirection. HA HA HA HA You have egg on your face because you were called out and proven wrong and now you are kicking sand and stomping your feet. Awwwww. ha ha ha It's ok TB you can't win em all.

I think you ought to crawl back in your hole before you embarass yourself anymore.

[Turtle Boy]

Proven wrong? You mean the BSS ruse? That remains to be seen.

[Resident 2B]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Proven wrong? You mean the BSS ruse? ....)

How do you make such a determination? Is there some science behind your statement or is this just another make-it-up-as-we-go statement your side seems to excel at?

Please help me here T-Boy.

R2B

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Resident 2B

How do you make such a determination? Is there some science behind your statement or is this just another make-it-up-as-we-go statement your side seems to excel at?

Please help me here T-Boy.

R2B

R2B don't bother. Just laugh and enjoy. This is fantastic reading. I'm literally laughing out loud. Ohhh man...

I love this place.

[alsadad]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Well...our new Ambassador of the Winni Forum and Grand Inquisitor for Suspected Trolls seems to have let this post slip by. Guess it just matters which side you're on, eh HN?

I’m not sure I understand, but I hope you’re not implying that I’m a troll. Sometimes when I encounter absurdity I can’t help but respond satirically. A small minority of posters (I think the number is 3) read the original post in this thread and concluded that BSS was a troll for the issue that shall not be mentioned. BSS had a call with a functionary whom he said wasn’t helpful – well, obviously he’s a plant. He’s trying to find parking for “large trailers” – OMG, must be a GFBLer in disguise. I feel sorry for anyone who cannot see how ridiculous those unsubstantiated accusations are, or how off-putting they must be to someone simply looking for information. Why the rush to judgment? Look, TB, despite what you may think, I do not oppose the “recent change” to our boating laws. I do, however, fear the damage to society from narrow-mindedness and weak thinking.

Rant over.
PS. I was hoping you’d be VP of my new organization. Does this mean you don’t want to be #2 WINNFART?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by alsadad

I’m not sure I understand, but I hope you’re not implying that I’m a troll. Sometimes when I encounter absurdity I can’t help but respond satirically. A small minority of posters (I think the number is 3) read the original post in this thread and concluded that BSS was a troll for the issue that shall not be mentioned. BSS had a call with a functionary whom he said wasn’t helpful – well, obviously he’s a plant. He’s trying to find parking for “large trailers” – OMG, must be a GFBLer in disguise. I feel sorry for anyone who cannot see how ridiculous those unsubstantiated accusations are, or how off-putting they must be to someone simply looking for information. Why the rush to judgment? Look, TB, despite what you may think, I do not oppose the “recent change” to our boating laws. I do, however, fear the damage to society from narrow-mindedness and weak thinking.

Rant over.
PS. I was hoping you’d be VP of my new organization. Does this mean you don’t want to be #2 WINNFART?

No Worries Alsadad, most of the folks here recognize satire and appreciated your humor!!

[VtSteve]

Hopefully you're still reading BSS.

This is the type of thread that can be informative for everyone, including attracting lurkers that have asked the very same questions. Heck, one thread awhile back directed my attention to a nice waterfront motel with docks.

Some pretty great people to meet up with on this forum as well while you're in the region.

We love the Meadowbrook site for concerts, and that particular area of the lake is pretty central to my old stomping grounds on the lake. Depending on the concert series this summer, we were thinking of Ames Farm, or another place right on the water South of there I think. I forgot both the name and the location But give me waterfront with a dock and I'm pretty happy.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

"...w/o asking for, or waiting for, the facts..."

First of all, welcome back after your absense for all of Autumn. However, I think you'll find—like here—I'm still on the "right" side!

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

"...None are GFBLs in any form. Admittedly all are above the Madrasah 24' boat tax limit..."

Good enough for me... ...but we missed your comprehensive take on the following:

"...Everyone is good with Boater safety courses..."

"Good-enough" for New Hampshire waters? (For <25-HP, maybe...)

A modest use of Google might've added some interesting commentary to this discussion.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

First of all, welcome back after your absense for all of Autumn. However, I think you'll find—like here—I'm still on the "right" side!

It's just a flesh wound... Great movie!