Navigation Hazzard in the Weirs Channel

NoRegrets · 08-26-2010, 07:02 AM

I have been going through the channel with my boat for 11 seasons and last month the tree was much lower than the beginning of the season. My marine radio antenna for the first time ever brushed the tree. I have a cruiser with a radar arch and the antenna is mounted half way up the side of the arch.

caloway · 08-26-2010, 09:23 AM

I could take that tree down and piece it in under 5 minutes. What is it, 10 inches around? Maybe? Perhaps somebody who cares should just ask them to drop it.

SIKSUKR · 08-26-2010, 01:17 PM

Is that a recent photo Terry?

AC2717 · 08-26-2010, 02:59 PM

That cannot be a recent photo now, as now you are starting to have to go around it if you are more than like 7-8 feet above the water

NoRegrets · 08-26-2010, 03:55 PM

TRFour - Great photo. The cruiser is my boat and the sedan bridge behind has not been out on the lake for about 5 years. What a small world we live in. It is incredible the things you find on the internet....

brk-lnt · 08-26-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NoRegrets

TRFour - Great photo. The cruiser is my boat and the sedan bridge behind has not been out on the lake for about 5 years. What a small world we live in. It is incredible the things you find on the internet....

Hang up and drive! (j/k).

NoRegrets · 08-26-2010, 07:13 PM

Nice catch. I do not take my phone on the boat. The picture was taken in myu youth!

Belmont Resident · 08-29-2010, 07:09 AM

For those who do not know about the regulations regarding the shoreline, it would literally take an act of God to take that tree down.
The paperwork and fee’s involved in doing so are way more than you can imagine.
And the fine for doing so without permission I’ve heard is pretty steep itself.
You can blame that on all the people who decide to come up to our beautiful state, buy land then proceed to cut every living thing down, plant football size lawns then let all the lawn chemicals leech into the lake.
To each their own but I honestly think the well manicured lots with trees look much more attractive and make the homes look more attractive than those that do not.

Lakegeezer · 08-29-2010, 07:53 AM

Title 483-B9 section V B 2 C
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...-B/483-B-9.htm

(C) Dead, diseased, or unsafe, trees, limbs, saplings, or shrubs that pose a hazard to structures or have the potential to cause personal injury may be removed regardless of any requirements that pertain to the natural woodland buffer under this chapter. Such exemptions shall not be used to contravene the intent of the law.

If the tree is falling or unsafe, it can be removed without a permit. The owner should take pictures first, just in case there are questions afterwards. The picture in this thread, compared with a current picture, should be enough. The stump must be left in the ground to control erosion.

Winnipesaukee · 08-29-2010, 09:04 AM

OP, I believe your boat has a feature that comes standard. Neutral. That, patience, and a steering wheel will relieve you of this problem you are having with that tree. End of thread.

But I'll be on the lake today. Let me bring a chainsaw and see if I can do some water landscaping...

trfour · 08-29-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NoRegrets

Nice catch. I do not take my phone on the boat. The picture was taken in myu youth!

' At least the tree was young! '

I caught it in a few photos that I took from the Weirs Bridge over a 'Fourth of July weekend back in 2004. Taking an interest in this thread, I thought, " Is it really possible that this tree is still there, in a way too? "

It must be taking it's fair share away from the middle of the channel these days!

At least I pictured it though!

Terry
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NoRegrets · 08-30-2010, 07:24 AM

I passed by the tree Saturday and the birch tree root is starting to break through the ground. Nature is going to run its course and I do not think a permit will be required to remove it. Mother nature trumps fed, state, and local laws.

Traffic was not bad and the tree doesn't block the entire channel. I think 2 boats will still be able to pass even if the tree was in the water.

LDR4 · 08-30-2010, 09:33 AM

Took this photo on Sat. As you can see it is forcing boats into the middle of the channel whic is making an already congested area even more so.

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Coastal Laker · 08-30-2010, 09:54 AM

I don't expect anything will be done with that tree before winter. I'd bet $5 (since that's as adventurous as I get gambling) that a few ice storms will have that tree down before next spring. Problem solved. It will have to be moved.

Rickeei · 08-30-2010, 11:45 AM

That tree decided to fall in the very early morning and the work to remove it had to be done when the first boat who gets caught. That seems like a good reason to remove it ahead of time. Otherwise it is just a nuisance waiting to happen. Again, common sense is not common.

Resident 2B · 08-30-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickeei

That tree decided to fall in the very early morning and the work to remove it had to be done when the first boat who gets caught. That seems like a good reason to remove it ahead of time. Otherwise it is just a nuisance waiting to happen. Again, common sense is not common.

Removing the tree now will likely leave more of its roots in the ground, a better solution than having the roots ripped out by the falling tree. This will help significantly with minimizing run off erosion and make the banking more stable once the tree is gone.

Sometimes it is best to remove a tree, and I feel this is one of those cases. It should require some sort of contact with the CSPA folks before it is cut, to be on the safe side.

R2B

mishelmeis · 08-31-2010, 12:01 AM

i'm too new to have an opinion about the trees or the arrogance, BUT

OH, MY, GOSH, that is a crowded channel! i don't want to go anywhere near that!!!! i could do an awful lot of damage in a short period of time!

trfour · 08-31-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mishelmeis

i'm too new to have an opinion about the trees or the arrogance, BUT

OH, MY, GOSH, that is a crowded channel! i don't want to go anywhere near that!!!! i could do an awful lot of damage in a short period of time!

We have an App for that!
It's called Boating Lessons!

Terry
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AC2717 · 08-31-2010, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishelmeis

i'm too new to have an opinion about the trees or the arrogance, BUT

OH, MY, GOSH, that is a crowded channel! i don't want to go anywhere near that!!!! i could do an awful lot of damage in a short period of time!

Haha, that is not even crowded lol

Onshore · 08-31-2010, 05:38 PM

If the owners were so inclined, the Shoreland Protection Act would allow the removal of that tree. There is no paperwork required, although keeping photos of the tree and the stump if it is uprooting for one's personal records is highly recommended. There would on the otherhand be Wetlands permitting required to repair any damage to the bank that may occur if the tree were to go down pulling the roots and stump out in the process. It is of course entirely the owner's perogative.

RI Swamp Yankee · 08-31-2010, 08:28 PM

Maybe they could put a rope or line around the tree near the middle and an anchor on land and pull it upright.

08-26-2010, 09:23 AM	#2
caloway Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: exeter, nh Posts: 73 Thanks: 4 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts	Seriously? I could take that tree down and piece it in under 5 minutes. What is it, 10 inches around? Maybe? Perhaps somebody who cares should just ask them to drop it.

08-26-2010, 01:17 PM	#3
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Is that a recent photo Terry? __________________ SIKSUKR

08-26-2010, 02:59 PM	#4
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,585 Thanks: 756 Thanked 356 Times in 268 Posts	That cannot be a recent photo now, as now you are starting to have to go around it if you are more than like 7-8 feet above the water __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

08-29-2010, 07:09 AM	#8
Belmont Resident Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine Posts: 1,857 Thanks: 491 Thanked 410 Times in 251 Posts	Seriously. For those who do not know about the regulations regarding the shoreline, it would literally take an act of God to take that tree down. The paperwork and fee’s involved in doing so are way more than you can imagine. And the fine for doing so without permission I’ve heard is pretty steep itself. You can blame that on all the people who decide to come up to our beautiful state, buy land then proceed to cut every living thing down, plant football size lawns then let all the lawn chemicals leech into the lake. To each their own but I honestly think the well manicured lots with trees look much more attractive and make the homes look more attractive than those that do not.

08-29-2010, 07:53 AM	#9
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,680 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 355 Thanked 640 Times in 291 Posts	From the regs... Title 483-B9 section V B 2 C http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...-B/483-B-9.htm (C) Dead, diseased, or unsafe, trees, limbs, saplings, or shrubs that pose a hazard to structures or have the potential to cause personal injury may be removed regardless of any requirements that pertain to the natural woodland buffer under this chapter. Such exemptions shall not be used to contravene the intent of the law. If the tree is falling or unsafe, it can be removed without a permit. The owner should take pictures first, just in case there are questions afterwards. The picture in this thread, compared with a current picture, should be enough. The stump must be left in the ground to control erosion. __________________ -lg

08-26-2010, 07:02 AM	#1
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	I have been going through the channel with my boat for 11 seasons and last month the tree was much lower than the beginning of the season. My marine radio antenna for the first time ever brushed the tree. I have a cruiser with a radar arch and the antenna is mounted half way up the side of the arch.

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08-26-2010, 03:55 PM	#5
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	TRFour - Great photo. The cruiser is my boat and the sedan bridge behind has not been out on the lake for about 5 years. What a small world we live in. It is incredible the things you find on the internet....

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08-26-2010, 07:13 PM	#7
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	Nice catch. I do not take my phone on the boat. The picture was taken in myu youth!

08-29-2010, 09:04 AM	#10
Winnipesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 233 Thanks: 14 Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts	OP, I believe your boat has a feature that comes standard. Neutral. That, patience, and a steering wheel will relieve you of this problem you are having with that tree. End of thread. But I'll be on the lake today. Let me bring a chainsaw and see if I can do some water landscaping... __________________ Sail fast, live slow!

08-30-2010, 07:24 AM	#12
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	I passed by the tree Saturday and the birch tree root is starting to break through the ground. Nature is going to run its course and I do not think a permit will be required to remove it. Mother nature trumps fed, state, and local laws. Traffic was not bad and the tree doesn't block the entire channel. I think 2 boats will still be able to pass even if the tree was in the water.

08-30-2010, 09:33 AM	#13
LDR4 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 30 Thanks: 1 Thanked 21 Times in 6 Posts	Recent photo Took this photo on Sat. As you can see it is forcing boats into the middle of the channel whic is making an already congested area even more so.

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08-30-2010, 09:54 AM	#14
Coastal Laker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the Beautiful Lakes Region of course! Posts: 130 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	Winter will take care of it I don't expect anything will be done with that tree before winter. I'd bet $5 (since that's as adventurous as I get gambling) that a few ice storms will have that tree down before next spring. Problem solved. It will have to be moved.

08-30-2010, 11:45 AM	#15
Rickeei Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What if... That tree decided to fall in the very early morning and the work to remove it had to be done when the first boat who gets caught. That seems like a good reason to remove it ahead of time. Otherwise it is just a nuisance waiting to happen. Again, common sense is not common.

08-31-2010, 12:01 AM	#17
mishelmeis Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: rattlesnake island Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i'm too new to have an opinion about the trees or the arrogance, BUT OH, MY, GOSH, that is a crowded channel! i don't want to go anywhere near that!!!! i could do an awful lot of damage in a short period of time! __________________ MiShel

08-31-2010, 05:38 PM	#20
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	If the owners were so inclined, the Shoreland Protection Act would allow the removal of that tree. There is no paperwork required, although keeping photos of the tree and the stump if it is uprooting for one's personal records is highly recommended. There would on the otherhand be Wetlands permitting required to repair any damage to the bank that may occur if the tree were to go down pulling the roots and stump out in the process. It is of course entirely the owner's perogative.

08-31-2010, 08:28 PM	#21
RI Swamp Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Kingstown RI Posts: 688 Thanks: 143 Thanked 83 Times in 55 Posts	Maybe they could put a rope or line around the tree near the middle and an anchor on land and pull it upright. __________________ Gene ~ aka "another RI Swamp Yankee"

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