State AG should be investigated

vmartino26 · 11-09-2010, 08:22 PM

I know things haven't been going well for the Attorney General in NH with some unsolved crimes, Wolfeboro, Gilford, et cetera, but things clearly went well with the Spader prosecution. And we can expect the same verdict in February when his partner in crime goes to trial.

Just think of it -- Spader turned 19 today. He could live to be an old man in jail. And think of all the fun he'll have. I'm sure the inmates will greet him with open arms.

While the death penalty would be quicker and ultimately save the taxpayers some money, the thought of Spader sitting in a jail cell for sixty years just rotting away is not a bad thought.

My thoughts go out to him victims tonight. I hope this day has brought some small measure of closure.

Greene's Basin Girl · 11-10-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vmartino26

I know things haven't been going well for the Attorney General in NH with some unsolved crimes, Wolfeboro, Gilford, et cetera, but things clearly went well with the Spader prosecution. And we can expect the same verdict in February when his partner in crime goes to trial.

Just think of it -- Spader turned 19 today. He could live to be an old man in jail. And think of all the fun he'll have. I'm sure the inmates will greet him with open arms.

While the death penalty would be quicker and ultimately save the taxpayers some money, the thought of Spader sitting in a jail cell for sixty years just rotting away is not a bad thought.

My thoughts go out to him victims tonight. I hope this day has brought some small measure of closure.

In NH if a person kills a police officer they can be sentenced to death, but if they kill an innocent victim ( in their own home minding their own business) they get life in prison. I don't get it. If anyone should get sentenced to death it should be Spader. The law needs to be changed!

wifi · 11-10-2010, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Green's Basin Girl

In NH if a person kills a police officer they can be sentenced to death, but if they kill an innocent victim ( in their own home minding their own business) they get life in prison. I don't get it. If anyone should get sentenced to death it should be Spader. The law needs to be changed!

Couldn't have said it better, but its not only NH that does this.

RailroadJoe · 11-10-2010, 07:47 AM

Thank the lawyers for the stupid law that allows any murderer to spend life in jail instead of just shooting them, Cruel and unusual punishment. Bah Humbug on that thought. Get rid of slime that does not have any care for life. Too many still living that should have been gone.

tis · 11-10-2010, 07:54 AM

I know Wolfeboro women who feel nervous. Someone told me she was afraid to be in her house alone. Stacey first, now Bobbie. Don't forget Bobbie lived in Wolfeboro for many years until just recently buying the house in Gilford. We at least deserve to know if we should all be afraid, don't you think? What if they weren't crimes of passion?

ishoot308 · 11-10-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Green's Basin Girl

In NH if a person kills a police officer they can be sentenced to death, but if they kill an innocent victim ( in their own home minding their own business) they get life in prison. I don't get it. If anyone should get sentenced to death it should be Spader. The law needs to be changed!

Since when is a police officers life worth more than ANY other citizen?!! Nothing at all against law enforcement, but a life is a life and worthiness should not be determined by ones employment.

I agree G.B. the law needs to be changed!

Dan

tis · 11-10-2010, 08:43 AM

I have nothing against police officers either, but have often wondered why their lives are so much more important than the rest of us.

MarkinNH · 11-10-2010, 11:45 AM

Don't Postal Workers fall under the same legal ruling as Law Enforcement ?

John A. Birdsall · 11-10-2010, 02:57 PM

In CT they just sentenced Hayes to death. However he will more than likely die in jail of old age before they get a chance to do it. Seems to me that the appeal process takes too long. Michael Ross was on Death Row for over 20 years This is not right. A person sentenced to die should be executed within 30 days of his conviction. Why should the state pay for his housing, meals, medical etc. Put him in a cell, give him bread and water (week old bread) and let him rot.

topwater · 11-10-2010, 05:03 PM

The State doesn't pay, WE do!!.

CGI3 · 11-10-2010, 10:47 PM

Logic

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To the entitled ones:

Ongoing investigations are just that. What's the hurry? Would you rather have a compromised investigation just to have your curiosity satisfied? And THEN would you complain that the officials botched the job? Please..tell me that you prefer justice over drama...please?

Whats the hurry?? Your joking, right? Some nutbag out there, on the lose that killed a women, and her dog, and your asking whats the hurry??? Compromise an investigation? Let them take their time. And how much time is appropriate? 2, 3, 4 years. You want to kill someone. Do it in the state of NH. Just don't be stupid enough to leave your wallet behind, and you should be all set.

TOAD · 11-11-2010, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

In CT they just sentenced Hayes to death. However he will more than likely die in jail of old age before they get a chance to do it. Seems to me that the appeal process takes too long. Michael Ross was on Death Row for over 20 years This is not right. A person sentenced to die should be executed within 30 days of his conviction. Why should the state pay for his housing, meals, medical etc. Put him in a cell, give him bread and water (week old bread) and let him rot.

"Justice delayed is justice denied".

tis · 11-11-2010, 07:27 AM

I agree, it is ridiculous that someone can be in jail for twenty years before they are executed. On the other hand, God forbid someone is innocent.

Wolfester · 11-12-2010, 01:05 AM

There is far more information released to the press in other states, even including naming suspects. The information can be helpful on so many levels. A witness observing a certain model car on the side of the road at a certain hour may be an unremarkable/forgetable event untill they see something on the news. A person selling a certain type firearm in a private sale may think nothing of it untill he sees that that type firearm was used, etc. There are just so many unremarkable events that people observe every day that can only become remarkable when they see something on the news. Other jurisdictions know what info to release to the media to get the public's help. It is certainly obvious in these cases they need help.

The comment that the public is not in danger is ridiculous. If a person kills when they are in a certain personal situation, they are likely dangerous if they get involved with another person is a similar situation, Probably more likely since evidently it is unlikely that they will be caught.

nj2nh · 11-14-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

I have nothing against police officers either, but have often wondered why their lives are so much more important than the rest of us.

The whole point of the death penalty is deterence. It isn't that society values the police more or an eye for an eye or anything like that. It's that they are more likely to end up killed during the course of a crime. So, to deter those commiting a crime from killing a police officer they made that one of the inflating elements.

And, please, stop blaming the lawyers. It is the legislatures that pass these laws and most of them are NOT lawyers. It is lobbying groups that push for these statutes - conservative, powerful lobbying groups. Not the lawyers. Lawyers HATE the death penalty - too hard to prove, too expensive, and, ultimately, too pointless since the courts in some states (NJ, CT, etc.) will never uphold a capital case.

And, for what it is worth, wouldn't you really rather end your life than spend 20, 30, 40 or however many years you have left in jail? Death is a preferable alternative to life in prison with no possibility of parole.

RailroadJoe · 11-15-2010, 06:16 AM

If you can try a person twice when found guilty, why can't you try him twice when found innocent? Double jeopardy?

SteveA · 10-27-2011, 06:46 AM

It's sad that this case seems to have dropped off the radar. Maybe someone will come forward.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS03/710269987

nj2nh · 11-14-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vmartino26

While the death penalty would be quicker and ultimately save the taxpayers some money, the thought of Spader sitting in a jail cell for sixty years just rotting away is not a bad thought.

It costs far less to leave someone to rot in jail for 30 or 40 years that it does to prosecute and appeal a death penalty case. It is most definitely not a way to save money. I worked on a death penalty case in NJ that cost millions of dollars before the death penalty was overturned. What a shameful waste of money.

11-09-2010, 08:22 PM	#1
vmartino26 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 30 Times in 5 Posts	Spader Guilty! I know things haven't been going well for the Attorney General in NH with some unsolved crimes, Wolfeboro, Gilford, et cetera, but things clearly went well with the Spader prosecution. And we can expect the same verdict in February when his partner in crime goes to trial. Just think of it -- Spader turned 19 today. He could live to be an old man in jail. And think of all the fun he'll have. I'm sure the inmates will greet him with open arms. While the death penalty would be quicker and ultimately save the taxpayers some money, the thought of Spader sitting in a jail cell for sixty years just rotting away is not a bad thought. My thoughts go out to him victims tonight. I hope this day has brought some small measure of closure.

11-10-2010, 02:57 PM	#9
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	Death or jail In CT they just sentenced Hayes to death. However he will more than likely die in jail of old age before they get a chance to do it. Seems to me that the appeal process takes too long. Michael Ross was on Death Row for over 20 years This is not right. A person sentenced to die should be executed within 30 days of his conviction. Why should the state pay for his housing, meals, medical etc. Put him in a cell, give him bread and water (week old bread) and let him rot.

11-12-2010, 01:05 AM	#14
Wolfester Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	They obviously need help There is far more information released to the press in other states, even including naming suspects. The information can be helpful on so many levels. A witness observing a certain model car on the side of the road at a certain hour may be an unremarkable/forgetable event untill they see something on the news. A person selling a certain type firearm in a private sale may think nothing of it untill he sees that that type firearm was used, etc. There are just so many unremarkable events that people observe every day that can only become remarkable when they see something on the news. Other jurisdictions know what info to release to the media to get the public's help. It is certainly obvious in these cases they need help. The comment that the public is not in danger is ridiculous. If a person kills when they are in a certain personal situation, they are likely dangerous if they get involved with another person is a similar situation, Probably more likely since evidently it is unlikely that they will be caught.

10-27-2011, 06:46 AM	#17
SteveA Deceased Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 2,311 Thanks: 1,070 Thanked 2,054 Times in 497 Posts	Update... It's sad that this case seems to have dropped off the radar. Maybe someone will come forward. http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS03/710269987 __________________ "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry he'll be a mile away and barefoot!" unknown

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11-10-2010, 07:47 AM	#4
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	Thank the lawyers for the stupid law that allows any murderer to spend life in jail instead of just shooting them, Cruel and unusual punishment. Bah Humbug on that thought. Get rid of slime that does not have any care for life. Too many still living that should have been gone.

11-10-2010, 07:54 AM	#5
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,670 Thanks: 750 Thanked 1,444 Times in 1,003 Posts	I know Wolfeboro women who feel nervous. Someone told me she was afraid to be in her house alone. Stacey first, now Bobbie. Don't forget Bobbie lived in Wolfeboro for many years until just recently buying the house in Gilford. We at least deserve to know if we should all be afraid, don't you think? What if they weren't crimes of passion?

11-10-2010, 08:43 AM	#7
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,670 Thanks: 750 Thanked 1,444 Times in 1,003 Posts	I have nothing against police officers either, but have often wondered why their lives are so much more important than the rest of us.

11-10-2010, 11:45 AM	#8
MarkinNH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 392 Thanks: 177 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Don't Postal Workers fall under the same legal ruling as Law Enforcement ?

11-10-2010, 05:03 PM	#10
topwater Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 302 Thanks: 85 Thanked 116 Times in 48 Posts	The State doesn't pay, WE do!!.

11-10-2010, 10:47 PM	#11
CGI3 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 91 Thanks: 135 Thanked 18 Times in 11 Posts	Logic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To the entitled ones: Ongoing investigations are just that. What's the hurry? Would you rather have a compromised investigation just to have your curiosity satisfied? And THEN would you complain that the officials botched the job? Please..tell me that you prefer justice over drama...please? Whats the hurry?? Your joking, right? Some nutbag out there, on the lose that killed a women, and her dog, and your asking whats the hurry??? Compromise an investigation? Let them take their time. And how much time is appropriate? 2, 3, 4 years. You want to kill someone. Do it in the state of NH. Just don't be stupid enough to leave your wallet behind, and you should be all set.

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11-11-2010, 07:27 AM	#13
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,670 Thanks: 750 Thanked 1,444 Times in 1,003 Posts	I agree, it is ridiculous that someone can be in jail for twenty years before they are executed. On the other hand, God forbid someone is innocent.

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11-15-2010, 06:16 AM	#16
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	If you can try a person twice when found guilty, why can't you try him twice when found innocent? Double jeopardy?