New Formula Boat Dealer

[upthesaukee]

You both need to sit back, take a deep breath, and walk on the other side of the street when you "see" each other. It is getting a little over the top and way way off topic!

[Bentley Boy]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

You both need to sit back, take a deep breath, and walk on the other side of the street when you "see" each other. It is getting a little over the top and way way off topic!

You are probably correct but I, personally, really dislike people who will attempt to damage someone's reputation or alter the facts based solely on hearsay and unfounded speculation. Believe me, the whole Blizzard family has suffered terribly due to the events of that tragic night. Enough is enough, already.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Bentley Boy

You are probably correct but I, personally, really dislike people who will attempt to damage someone's reputation or alter the facts based solely on hearsay and unfounded speculation. Believe me, the whole Blizzard family has suffered terribly due to the events of that tragic night. Enough is enough, already.

How am I trying to damage a damaged reputation? I have no bones in this fight...I just think you are a joke and am hiding something in your relationship to all of this. Obviously by the responses of other posters I am not alone in my sentiment.

Yes, I have had plenty of moonless, rainy nights on both the ocean and on the lake. I grew up on the seacoast (still live there) and have spent a great deal of time on the ocean. I am also an islander and spend a lot of time on the lake. I've done plenty of rainy, dark rides from end to end as well. And no, like many other boaters on this forum I have never run aground. Can't say my white light has been straddled by a bat though, you got me on that one.

Coldman? Arm Chair Coward? How do you come up with this stuff? You need some new material.

[NHBUOY]

...Lakeport Landing has a tenacious and LOYAL clientele they have "earned" over the years by (arguably?) being the "best in the Biz" on the Lake...Nobody, even the "snipes" on here can take that away...My "spidey-sense" tells me that a LOT of people ENJOY seeing successful people take a fall...I don't...I always liked P.B. and still do..."blink-of-the-eye" accidents notwithstanding....

[jrc]

Some clarity

1) The quality of the Lakeport Landing Marina's business is not the question here, they may be the "best in the biz", I don't know them well enough to comment.

2) A criminal accident was caused by a member of the owners family and a major player in the business.

3) That accident and trial cause a lot of "bad press" for the guilty party, and her place of work. And indirectly her family because they own her place of work.

4) That accident and trial caused a lot of "bad press" for the Formula brand.

5) Many believe that the accident contributed to the successful passage of the speed limit law. Not the only cause but a contributing factor.

6) Many believe that the speed limit has caused some boat buyers to switch away from performance brands.

7) It is possible to believe that the "bad press" for the dealer and the brand plus the reduced performance boat demand had some affect on the decision by Formula to change dealers. Not the only reason but some effect.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by jrc

Some clarity

1) The quality of the Lakeport Landing Marina's business is not the question here, they may be the "best in the biz", I don't know them well enough to comment.

2) A criminal accident was caused by a member of the owners family and a major player in the business.

3) That accident and trial cause a lot of "bad press" for the guilty party, and her place of work. And indirectly her family because they own her place of work.

4) That accident and trial caused a lot of "bad press" for the Formula brand.

5) Many believe that the accident contributed to the successful passage of the speed limit law. Not the only cause but a contributing factor.

6) Many believe that the speed limit has caused some boat buyers to switch away from performance brands.

7) It is possible to believe that the "bad press" for the dealer and the brand plus the reduced performance boat demand had some affect on the decision by Formula to change dealers. Not the only reason but some effect.

Very well said and here is number 8:

8) Bentley Boy coming on here and trying to clear things up has only muddied up the water even more.

[Bentley Boy]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Very well said and here is number 8:

8) Bentley Boy coming on here and trying to clear things up has only muddied up the water even more.

Sorry that things did not work out as hoped for you and your speculating cronies. The obvious and boring truth is still starring all of you in the face.

Oh well, there is still hope. Surely another victim will appear and you can once again discredit all the facts and evidence that law enforcement, the courts and even the media come up with. I ask you, who is better qualified to pass judgement on the facts than a few posters on this august forum?? Who??

[SIKSUKR]

BB,take this for what its worth.Your only hurting your cause here in my mind.As many members know here,I was friends with Steph and an aquaintence of Erica having rafted with her for more than a few years.I said my piece on those long threads about the accident but have since moved on.Reading your aggressive posts don't help her position in my mind.If she really is a friend to you then you might want to rethink your tactic.JMO

[meredith weekender]

ENOUGH already with the back and forth!!!!!

Most of us have moved forward and are awaiting to see the big announcement. LLM are good people let's leave them alone.

Negativity breeds negativity. Maybe Don can create a Forum for all of the negative people to go to.

[Bentley Boy]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

BB,take this for what its worth.Your only hurting your cause here in my mind.As many members know here,I was friends with Steph and an aquaintence of Erica having rafted with her for more than a few years.I said my piece on those long threads about the accident but have since moved on.Reading your aggressive posts don't help her position in my mind.If she really is a friend to you then you might want to rethink your tactic.JMO

Thank you for your comments, truly. Let me be clear. I do not consider my role to be Erica's defender. She is a mature and very capable woman who really does not need anyone's help. What I have attempted to do though is get the real facts out there whether they were favorable to Erica or not. Erica was found guilty to the lesser charge which I believe was fair. Her family's money did afford them good counsel but it only assured them that Erica would be tried fairly. (Thank God none of these posters sat on her jury!!) My problem is with how every aspect of this case has been challenged by posters. Example: It all started with LLM "losing" the Formula franchise. Not true, in fact they are still a dealer. The real problem was, as they say, "It's the economy stupid!!" Or how about the accusations that Erica and her companions were drunk at the accident scene?? Not true, in fact the court records reveal that on the boat there were several large unopened liquor bottles and one small bottle with most of its contents still in place. Witnesses testified that all three woman appeared to be sober leaving the Wolfe Trap hours earlier. There was an early report that there were empty beer cans found on the shore where the crash occurred. But if you knew Erica as you say you do, you would know that she does NOT drink beer. But still the posters here seem to know better and insist she was drunk. Oh yes, one of my favorites was Erica's work release program. For the record, the work release program was part of her sentencing because of extenuating circumstances at LLM. These posters demanded a heavier sentence for her and even pledged to seek out their own form of justice. I could go on and on with electronics and GPS speculations, who owns the railroad bridge, what that bridge might do to PBM, slander of the LLM ownership and organization, etc. These same posters do not believe that I am who I say I am. I guess that is because what I have offered to clear up the facts does not fit into their spiteful and uninformed agenda. I fear that many people would be elated to hear the heavy toll this tragic accident has taken on the Blizzard family, its friends as well as LLM's superb reputation. The vultures only tried to make it even more painful for them. Shame!! Shame!!

So when I used the word "victim" I guess I should have been clearer. The victim I am referring to is the person or event this forum makes into a victim, worthy or not.

[NHBUOY]

...re: Rusty's muddied waters...you must be on the wrong side of the pond...I just walked up from the dock and the water was crystal clear and refreshing here in Meredith......
...re: boat reality...ALL the marinas on the Lake would PREFER to sell the family bow-riders/day-boats/cruisers rather than the performance boats...the PROFIT margins on the cruisers is much larger than a like-size performance boat...and the market is larger...
...re: the hull truth...All those vents, steps, pads, reliefs, strake placement and angles, and other doo-dads on the bottoms of ALL the major companies, have raised efficiency and performance by implementing things that have first appeared on race boats...in other words, the Cowboys are the one's that are leading the technological edge with R & D and passing it down the line to the more sedate, cowgirl crowd...techno-trickle-down...you're welcome....

[jetskier]

No one cares....give it a rest!

Jetskier

[911 Carrera]

Originally Posted by jetskier

No one cares....give it a rest!

Jetskier

Wrong, I care and so should every decent fair minded person. As your great American philosopher Mark Twain once said:

"Always do what is right.
This will gratify some
And astonish the rest."

Mssr. Twain was right and so is Bentley Boy for caring about fairness. Carry on Mr. Bentley Boy, Carry on.

Cheers!!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by jetskier

No one cares....give it a rest!

This topic, with no response from me, has now been moved to "Lake Issues".

So...this little observation:

Older Formulas were equipped with depth sounders—having an audible alarm. The "subject boat" was found with the throttles pulled back.

Did an alarm trigger that response by the boat's Captain?

[codeman671]

So adding Chris Craft is the big news that is going to surprise us all?

[NHBUOY]

...Hey C911 & BB...thanx for the banter, and good luck with the Chris-Crafts...feel free to stop by and say HI......happy trails, Cowboy(s)......

[jrc]

It is a surprise that they could land a line more overpriced than Formula.

[911 Carrera]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

...Lakeport Landing has a tenacious and LOYAL clientele they have "earned" over the years by (arguably?) being the "best in the Biz" on the Lake...Nobody, even the "snipes" on here can take that away...My "spidey-sense" tells me that a LOT of people ENJOY seeing successful people take a fall...I don't...I always liked P.B. and still do..."blink-of-the-eye" accidents notwithstanding....

Bravo NHBUOY, Bravo!! You used all the right words: "tenacious", "LOYAL", "earned","snipes" and not to mention the people who "ENJOY seeing successful people a fall". These are good people who operate a quality business with quality products and services. I have known Paul for many years and he has always been equally loyal to his customers and his friends as well. Always above board.

Again, well said. Cheers!!