Sunday UL article on Winni speed limits

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Thank you Little Bear.

As long as it's day time (remember it's 30 at night) and the conditions or area of the lake permits it, there is nothing wrong with going 45 MPH and staying 150ft away from any boater. In fact 46 MPH would be OK with me.

That is better than the 110+ MPH at 10 ft. away (or closer) that you probably used to do.

Boy some of those GFBL boaters came close to me prior to the Speed Limit. Zooooooooooooooom…what the heck was that?????????????

You actually feel safer with 50' yachts bearing down on your layak? Get real! How about all those folks who never driven a boat renting pontoons on a temporary certificate that the dealers answers the questions for them? You don't have a clue. And now with the MP cut back to 45 officers patrolling over 900 bodies of water. The 'cowboys' have become outlaws and you feel safer on your kayak? WOW! You must be God.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

You actually feel safer with 50' yachts bearing down on your layak? Get real! How about all those folks who never driven a boat renting pontoons on a temporary certificate that the dealers answers the questions for them? You don't have a clue. And now with the MP cut back to 45 officers patrolling over 900 bodies of water. The 'cowboys' have become outlaws and you feel safer on your kayak? WOW! You must be God.

Just to try and keep the debate on an even keel:

The NHMP has not been cut back to 45 officers. Barrett has stated that if the budget is passed as proposed that he would propose cutting back to that number. However, if the budget passes as proposed he will be under a new chain of command (if he is not eliminated completely, as some legislation is proposing) that could approach the issue in a whole different way. Until the budget is actually passed no one can proclaim what NHMP's final manning will be, or even what the NHMP's command structure could be, although there is no doubt in my mind it will be leaner than in year's past.

Additionally the NHMP does not, has not and could not "patrol" 900 bodies of water. The 900 figure comes from the number of waterbodies that they have jurisdiction over. However the vast majority of those 900 waterbodies, due to their size and access, would only see an NHMP officer if an event occurred that required their investigation.

It's easy to get wound up in these threads with all the rhetoric that flies from both sides, but it is important to try to keep perspective in what has actually occurred vice what is implied by Department Heads and other political types attempting to protect their respective budgets. The Devil is indeed in the details!

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

You actually feel safer with 50' yachts bearing down on your layak? Get real! How about all those folks who never driven a boat renting pontoons on a temporary certificate that the dealers answers the questions for them? You don't have a clue. And now with the MP cut back to 45 officers patrolling over 900 bodies of water. The 'cowboys' have become outlaws and you feel safer on your kayak? WOW! You must be God.

That’s a pretty slanderous comment that you made about the HONEST and hardworking owners of Mariners around the Lakes region. Not only that but you are also saying that the people who take the test are allowing someone else to answer the questions for them and they receive the certificate.
I suggest that you either retract what you said or give us the name of the Mariners and people who took the test that you are talking about.
If you want to PM me with the names then that’s fine with me.

[Skip]

Since I've stuck my toe back into these threads......

I keep hearing a lot of anecdotal evidence about the reckless operation of individuals operating rental craft utilizing temporary licenses. That begs two questions from me:

Has anyone compiled a list of accidents caused by or involving a rental boater operating with a temporary certificate?

Has anyone compiled a list of citations/warnings issued to rental boaters operating with temporary certificates versus citations/warnings issued to those captains with "regular" certificates?

I am in no way downplaying what some posters here perceive as a problem centered around rental boats and their operators but am just curious if any of that angst is based on solid statistical data.

Perhaps someone has already done that research and I have missed it amongst all the noise that some of these threads can generate.

Thanks

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Skip

Since I've stuck my toe back into these threads......

I keep hearing a lot of anecdotal evidence about the reckless operation of individuals operating rental craft utilizing temporary licenses. That begs two questions from me:

Has anyone compiled a list of accidents caused by or involving a rental boater operating with a temporary certificate?

Has anyone compiled a list of citations/warnings issued to rental boaters operating with temporary certificates versus citations/warnings issued to those captains with "regular" certificates?

I am in no way downplaying what some posters here perceive as a problem centered around rental boats and their operators but am just curious if any of that angst is based on solid statistical data.

Perhaps someone has already done that research and I have missed it amongst all the noise that some of these threads can generate.

Thanks

I've never seen any stats on the subject. Perhaps people would just Feel safer if rental boats had a lower speed limit than other boats.

Seriously, laws have already been passed without reference to any data, or even contradictory data. Why on earth would anyone want to see statistics now? If you look at the statistics from last year, the NWZ's look like a raceway

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I've never seen any stats on the subject. Perhaps people would just Feel safer if rental boats had a lower speed limit than other boats.

Seriously, laws have already been passed without reference to any data, or even contradictory data. Why on earth would anyone want to see statistics now? If you look at the statistics from last year, the NWZ's look like a raceway

Exactly Steve. Statistics have never been provided to rationalize the need for a speed limit, so why start now?

It is all about perception. Some people perceive that a speed limit is needed because a few boats go too fast too close. Other people perceive that rental boats are the real problem.

[Yankee]

Steve,

You just have to take a page or two out of the anti speed limit crowd play book.

Perhaps a letter to others who are alligned with your opinion like this to start things off:

Well I am one of many who is just plain scared of these rental boats and the bonzai buckaroos who pilot them. I kayak 9000 hours per year and every year these buckaroos get more bold! It’s a hostile environment out there, and someone will get killed or injured. It’s probably happened many times already. Clearly they need to be eliminated from the lake, as families will not vacation here anymore for fear of these Boat Rental Buckaroos. Tourism will suffer, and our property values will drop. We cannot allow that to happen!!

One cannot help but think of the children at the summer camps! Think of the HORROR that these kids have to endure. The camp directors that I know have told me that they will not even let the campers go near the water for fear of their safety. Clearly, something must be done to bring back the safer, family orientated environment to the lake we used to enjoy.

I will be contacting my state rep today and requesting what frightened boaters and land owners such as my self need to do to get a law passed to make us feel better. Banzai Buckaroos your days on this lake are numbered! Is anyone interested in organizing a political action committee to promote our agenda? Using our combined resources and political savvy will use deceit and fear to force our will over all naysayers!

We can call it Winni Families Against Rental boats Terrorizing Elitist Residents Safety

All interested parties please contact me.

[NHBUOY]

...best post eva, Yankee...I spit Fruit-Loops everywhere.......

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

...best post eva, Yankee...I spit Fruit-Loops everywhere.......

I'm sorry about that, I should have started off with a disclaimer! And speaking of fruit loops, isn't it about for FFL to chime in with yet another needless post?

3 2 1....

Originally Posted by Rusty

Footnote:I think it is time for the SBONH website to remove the defeated SB-27 article from their front page and replace it with this letter.

Actually written pretty quickly and not so well. The syntax is awkward if not incorrect in a few places and there's a typo or two.

And nope, never have been nor do I have any desire to be a SBONH member...I have stayed at more than a few Holiday Inns in my time--does that count?

Hey Bear Islander!! Yet another informative and scintillating post from you. Brilliant! Giddy up!!

[Yankee]

decided to delete

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Yankee

Steve,

You just have to take a page or two out of the anti speed limit crowd play book.

Perhaps a letter to others who are alligned with your opinion like this to start things off:

Well I am one of many who is just plain scared of these rental boats and the bonzai buckaroos who pilot them. I kayak 9000 hours per year and every year these buckaroos get more bold! It’s a hostile environment out there, and someone will get killed or injured. It’s probably happened many times already. Clearly they need to be eliminated from the lake, as families will not vacation here anymore for fear of these Boat Rental Buckaroos. Tourism will suffer, and our property values will drop. We cannot allow that to happen!!

One cannot help but think of the children at the summer camps! Think of the HORROR that these kids have to endure. The camp directors that I know have told me that they will not even let the campers go near the water for fear of their safety. Clearly, something must be done to bring back the safer, family orientated environment to the lake we used to enjoy.

I will be contacting my state rep today and requesting what frightened boaters and land owners such as my self need to do to get a law passed to make us feel better. Banzai Buckaroos your days on this lake are numbered! Is anyone interested in organizing a political action committee to promote our agenda? Using our combined resources and political savvy will use deceit and fear to force our will over all naysayers!

We can call it Winni Families Against Rental boats Terrorizing Elitist Residents Safety

All interested parties please contact me.

That is a very well written letter by a member of the SBONH and I think that your board of directors should get the credit for it. The goal of your organization is safety and if you feel that boat rentals are a problem and should be eliminated then by all means turn this letter into a petition and get the ball rolling.
I think it is bonsai and not ”bonzai”…but if that is what you want to call it then why not give it a try.

Also I hope that someone will take this well thought out letter and send it to all the local newspapers just to show how the SBONH organization is doing their part to make us all safe.

Footnote:
I think it is time for the SBONH website to remove the defeated SB-27 article from their front page and replace it with this letter.

[Bear Islander]

There are only 8,760 hours in a year.

8,784 if it is leap year.

[NHBUOY]

...rusty...there's a space left blank at the bottom of the page for a name/ signature...put yours in and submit it...Yankee did all the work for ya......NHB, tucking tongue firmly in cheek......

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

...rusty...there's a space left blank at the bottom of the page for a name/ signature...put yours in and submit it...Yankee did all the work for ya......NHB, tucking tongue firmly in cheek......

How come you have nothing to offer but childish jibba jabba?

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Exactly Steve. Statistics have never been provided to rationalize the need for a speed limit, so why start now?

It is all about perception. Some people perceive that a speed limit is needed because a few boats go too fast too close. Other people perceive that rental boats are the real problem.

Just to clear this up, I'm not against rental boats. Years ago, it was darn near impossible to find one.

The whole point of these safety issues was to bring to light the issues that really need attention. Sure, there are definitely people in rental boats that shouldn't be, or at least those that don't like boneheads, would prefer they weren't there. I'm sure there are many that are fine as well. The point is, those preaching about speed didn't care. One of the most prolific posters not only made fun of the "useless" 150' limit, he proceeded to denigrate the Marine Patrol while he was at it. Many SL supporters cheered him, and still thank his classless posts.

Look, none of us want to legislate boating do death. Neither do we seek to pick on specific groups of boaters or types, just problem boaters. Pretty much, most long time boaters are in sync with the Marine Patrol, and other agencies. We don't want chaos, we don't want drunks. The Marine Patrol would have a full time job just stopping those people. Look at the NWZ violations. BI and a couple of others poo pooed the NWZ violations. How's that for safety around kids camps?

[topwater]

Did you notice that --Sunset Bob-- has stopped posting and now Rusty is posting the same thing as Bob did. Just saying??? Rusty you never ever answered my question so I have to think you just are a Mouth Flapper like your Govenor, you have absolutely no knowledge about what you are speaking of. I have lived in NH all of my 55 years and NO, I do not think Lynch is my governor. He just happens to reside in the corner office. ( For Now )

[NHBUOY]

...hey tw...doesn't this post belong in the "Conspiracy, Duplicity, and Politics" section..?...you ruined the vibe......

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by topwater

Did you notice that --Sunset Bob-- has stopped posting and now Rusty is posting the same thing as Bob did. Just saying??? Rusty you never ever answered my question so I have to think you just are a Mouth Flapper like your Govenor, you have absolutely no knowledge about what you are speaking of. I have lived in NH all of my 55 years and NO, I do not think Lynch is my governor. He just happens to reside in the corner office. ( For Now )

Why don’t you quit trying to investigate me and stick to the topic. Click HERE and you will see that Sunset Bob is still posting on the Winni forum and is a well-respected member. His last post was on 05-18-2011.

[NHBUOY]

...hey rusty...pull my finger......

[topwater]

And Yet, still no response. Your gums must really hurt with all the flapping Bob.