Non resident vehicle registrations

[bobio]

I was looking for information on this NEW rule. I was told by the City Clerks office that it won't allow me to leave the state and garage it elsewhere for any amount of time. So I have a motorcycle that I primarily use in NH. With this new rule I cannot take it home with me if I wanted to take it to my primary home in Ma for a week during the summer. I would risk having my vehicle impounded if it was proved that it was out of the state for any period of time. This is ridiculous! Does the NH RMV actually have the resources to enforce this stupid rule? Too much government and too many rules. Remember the anthem "Live free or die"?

[ITD]

I wouldn't worry about it. Just don't get your neighbors mad at you.

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by bobio

I was looking for information on this NEW rule. I was told by the City Clerks office that it won't allow me to leave the state and garage it elsewhere for any amount of time. So I have a motorcycle that I primarily use in NH. With this new rule I cannot take it home with me if I wanted to take it to my primary home in Ma for a week during the summer. I would risk having my vehicle impounded if it was proved that it was out of the state for any period of time. This is ridiculous! Does the NH RMV actually have the resources to enforce this stupid rule? Too much government and too many rules. Remember the anthem "Live free or die"?

It is Massachusetts that will give you an issue if vehicle is parked in Massachusetts and you have NH registration.

All who do this are skating on thin ice. If you notice now on new cars/truck where the VIN is located there is a bar code. The authorities can just scan that barcode and know everything about you.

The next generation of car/truck computer known as ODBIII will allow the authorities to just drive by your vehicle with a handheld scanner and "beam" all information about the vehicle and it's owner and registration, insurance, etc. without even getting out of car. Not here yet but very soon. The days of skirting the issue are about to end.

Just think about it. Your local Barny Fife on the night shift with nothing to do will just drive around your town and "beam" vehicle information about you and your car/truck/motorcycle. Even if in a garage. Your only solution is a lead lined garage. And all scanned data will be saved. So you guys and gals with secret amorous escapades - this data will be available to those who seek it.

[diz]

Originally Posted by songkrai

It is Massachusetts that will give you an issue if vehicle is parked in Massachusetts and you have NH registration.

All who do this are skating on thin ice. If you notice now on new cars/truck where the VIN is located there is a bar code. The authorities can just scan that barcode and know everything about you.

The next generation of car/truck computer known as ODBIII will allow the authorities to just drive by your vehicle with a handheld scanner and "beam" all information about the vehicle and it's owner and registration, insurance, etc. without even getting out of car. Not here yet but very soon. The days of skirting the issue are about to end.

Just think about it. Your local Barny Fife on the night shift with nothing to do will just drive around your town and "beam" vehicle information about you and your car/truck/motorcycle. Even if in a garage. Your only solution is a lead lined garage. And all scanned data will be saved. So you guys and gals with secret amorous escapades - this data will be available to those who seek it.

Where are you finding this information about ODBIII? I haven't heard of such a standard. I've put an ODBII Bluetooth adapter in both my boat and car and there's no way to read anything but engine information. And there's no way to input personal details. You can reset engine fault codes but that's it.

Also, what do you mean when you say Mass. will give you an issue if you park a car with NH plates? You can park a car in Mass. with NH plates as long as it's not "principally garaged" in Mass.

[songkrai]

OK.
I exagerated a tad. The OBD3 is still in development stages and testing stages. Supposedly only to check on emissions. But some of the prototypes do transmit wirelessly.

The ones on cars today are somewhat like the "black box" on airplanes but obviously on a smaller scale. It does record speed, braking time, etc. when an accident occurs. That technology is present in some fashion on all new cars today.

Some privacy groups are vigorously opposing any government use other then emissions.

[diz]

Originally Posted by songkrai

OK.
I exagerated a tad. The OBD3 is still in development stages and testing stages. Supposedly only to check on emissions. But some of the prototypes do transmit wirelessly.

The ones on cars today are somewhat like the "black box" on airplanes but obviously on a smaller scale. It does record speed, braking time, etc. when an accident occurs. That technology is present in some fashion on all new cars today.

Some privacy groups are vigorously opposing any government use other then emissions.

Exaggerated? I'd say fabricated. This thread is about non-residents registering their cars in NH. I'm honestly curious to know what a false and inflammatory statement about police stealing your personal information has do to with the thread's topic. I like this forum. It's got a lot of valuable information but when I check a thread about a topic that's really relevant to me and find this kind of stuff it makes me scratch my head.

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by diz

Exaggerated? I'd say fabricated. This thread is about non-residents registering their cars in NH. I'm honestly curious to know what a false and inflammatory statement about police stealing your personal information has do to with the thread's topic. I like this forum. It's got a lot of valuable information but when I check a thread about a topic that's really relevant to me and find this kind of stuff it makes me scratch my head.

Read the above responses. Some find this interesting. Is this about motorcycle registration. No it is not. Sometimes a posting gets a tad distracted. Sometimes this is exactly why forums are found to be an interesting read.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by songkrai

OK.
I exagerated a tad. The OBD3 is still in development stages and testing stages. Supposedly only to check on emissions. But some of the prototypes do transmit wirelessly.

The ones on cars today are somewhat like the "black box" on airplanes but obviously on a smaller scale. It does record speed, braking time, etc. when an accident occurs. That technology is present in some fashion on all new cars today.

Some privacy groups are vigorously opposing any government use other then emissions.

The huge sticking point on the ODBIII standard is that it will allow LE to come after those that are driving around in vehicles where the MIL/CEL (check engine idiot light) is on. As you may or may not know in NH if that bugger is on you automatically fail your inspection, other states want to monitor and actively ticket people for it, I hear that California is one. The reasoning behind that is generally if the MIL/CEL idiot light comes on, the problem is 9 times out of 10 going to be in the emissions control system.

The other piece of it is the fact it will have an on board data recorder similar to that of an aircraft so that should an accident occur information can be derived from the computer to give investigators detailed information on all the on board systems and other items such as speed and direction of travel. Finally that system will no doubt be tagged with a GPS as the ground work is being laid for a federal tax on mileage being driven which is supposed to replace the federal gas tax due to slumping revenues caused by more fuel efficient cars being produced. Granted, don't take this all as gospel, just stuff I've read about, how much of it is reality or fiction remains to be seen, but it all seems quite plausible.

So much for it's original intent which was to bring all the on board diagnostics into a single standard for all manufacturers.

[ITD]

They probably won't need this OBD3 as police cars are starting to be equipped with infra red cameras that can scan license plates on the fly. No inspection sticker... Busted. No insurance (here in Mass. anyway)... .Busted.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

When you park your car at Logan central parking, the exact location of your car is printed on your parking receipt. Indicating that they scan your plate when you come in and then drive around scanning all the parked car license plates into their data base.

If you use your vehicle "mostly" in New Hampshire, we appreciate you registering the vehicle here to help pay for the cost of the roads and services.
Thank you.

[John A. Birdsall]

When I was a sailor in the USN, I got transferred from San Diego to New London. My home of record was Reading Mass. My car was registered in Calif. my license was from Massachusetts. Because I was in the Active Duty Military my license was good and recognized as long as I had a green ID Card.

I got stopped in Reading because I had calif. plates. The officer unaware of the law arrested me for driving without a license in an out of state vechicle.

I had two things going for me, My dad lived in town and we both knew the chief of police. One call home, and he to the chief and everybody was at the police station. The law also said I had 30 days to reg. the car in Mass or remove it from the state.

I also learned that it was possible to have your car inspected in Mass, and have a calif. plate, but not a drivers licensed.

[Merrymeeting]

Demonstrating how weird and complex this can all become, I'll relate personal experience.

My mother is a resident of NH who, like many snowbirds, goes to FL for the winter. She used to drive back and forth, but because of some medical issues last year, she is no longer driving. The NH registered vehicle ended up in Florida where it will be staying for a bit longer. She has someone who drives her to her appointments and errands so the car remains legally NH registered even though it has not been in the state for over a year.

I recently bought a new truck. We are building a house in NH and plan to be residents within a year. Because the truck will be left at the NH location the majority of the time, and will be primarily used for things related to the building, I registered it in NH. I did have to sign the form stating that it will remain in NH for 350+ days, which it will.

I intend to use it to move a lot of our possessions from our non-NH house to the NH house over the next many months.

So if this new law takes effect, I could be penalized for going to the current home to pick up things and bring them back to NH?

My mothers car can remain out of state legally for more than a year. But if I drive out for 1 day, it may be illegal. Seems kinda crazy...

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

Demonstrating how weird and complex this can all become, I'll relate personal experience.

My mother is a resident of NH who, like many snowbirds, goes to FL for the winter. She used to drive back and forth, but because of some medical issues last year, she is no longer driving. The NH registered vehicle ended up in Florida where it will be staying for a bit longer. She has someone who drives her to her appointments and errands so the car remains legally NH registered even though it has not been in the state for over a year.

I recently bought a new truck. We are building a house in NH and plan to be residents within a year. Because the truck will be left at the NH location the majority of the time, and will be primarily used for things related to the building, I registered it in NH. I did have to sign the form stating that it will remain in NH for 350+ days, which it will.

I intend to use it to move a lot of our possessions from our non-NH house to the NH house over the next many months.

So if this new law takes effect, I could be penalized for going to the current home to pick up things and bring them back to NH?

My mothers car can remain out of state legally for more than a year. But if I drive out for 1 day, it may be illegal. Seems kinda crazy...

You would not be becuase it goes off of where the car will be garaged, you are free to travel anywhere, and what the laws is tring to say is that you are free to travel anywhere but it must sleep at the NH residence 350+ days

Your mother, and good for her if it is cheaper, the state of FL just has not caught up with her and probably will not because of the amount of snow birds

[RailroadJoe]

I guess you can't go to the Cape for a two week vacation without breaking the law. Crazy huh.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

Demonstrating how weird and complex this can all become, I'll relate personal experience.

My mother is a resident of NH who, like many snowbirds, goes to FL for the winter. She used to drive back and forth, but because of some medical issues last year, she is no longer driving. The NH registered vehicle ended up in Florida where it will be staying for a bit longer. She has someone who drives her to her appointments and errands so the car remains legally NH registered even though it has not been in the state for over a year.

I recently bought a new truck. We are building a house in NH and plan to be residents within a year. Because the truck will be left at the NH location the majority of the time, and will be primarily used for things related to the building, I registered it in NH. I did have to sign the form stating that it will remain in NH for 350+ days, which it will.

I intend to use it to move a lot of our possessions from our non-NH house to the NH house over the next many months.

So if this new law takes effect, I could be penalized for going to the current home to pick up things and bring them back to NH?

My mothers car can remain out of state legally for more than a year. But if I drive out for 1 day, it may be illegal. Seems kinda crazy...

The wife's grandparents recently sold their home in Maine to live full time in Florida. They have had a home down there for over 15 years, but once the need for only one home came to light it was a no brainer. It costs them less than $60 to register a 4 year old full sized Buick Sedan in Florida.

I know you said she cannot drive anymore (sorry to hear that), but it would be considerably cheaper to reg in FL over NH.

[Merrymeeting]

Originally Posted by bobio

The current rule forbids you from taking any vehicle that you register in NH out of state for more than 15 days per year. I was told that the new rule doesn't allow you to take that vehicle out of the state at all.

I was responding to the original post in this thread that states there may be a new rule that the vehicle cannot leave NH. If so, I'd be in violation by going out of state to get my belongings to bring them back to NH.

I know you said she cannot drive anymore (sorry to hear that), but it would be considerably cheaper to reg in FL over NH.

Understood, and thanks. But she is a NH resident, and we plan to bring the vehicle back at some point.

Besides, assuming the same laws, if she registers in FL, as a non-resident, she may then have a car that is in the state illegally!

[tis]

I see what the state is trying to avoid, but all this just shows us how laws don't help. What a mess it all is!

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Many Lakes Region residents keep cars year round in FL and simply get an annual NH registration and take it to FL to put on the NH plates. This seems to work out fine as long as the old inspection sticker is removed and the FL police don't realize that NH requires a yearly inspection sticker.

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Many Lakes Region residents keep cars year round in FL and simply get an annual NH registration and take it to FL to put on the NH plates. This seems to work out fine as long as the old inspection sticker is removed and the FL police don't realize that NH requires a yearly inspection sticker.

Yes, it is a good idea to remove the outdated sticker. But I don't think that Florida or any other state can enforce a NH law.

[Merrymeeting]

This seems like the best thread to post this question as it relates to NH auto registration and out of state ones.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, we'll be moving to NH permanently within the next few months. I will be declaring NH residency next month, while my wife and son remain in MA until school is done. My truck is registered in NH so it is all set. But we also have a car, titled and registered to me in MA that my son uses to commute to school. It will remain in MA until May.

Does anyone know of any issues I will have if I just leave the car registered and in use in MA as a NH resident? Is there a time period I have to make the change?

I've searched quite a bit on the net but haven't found anything covering this scenario.

Thanks

[NoRegrets]

I would talk to your NH based insurance broker / company. They should be able to tell you the legal method for your ituation. They can also insure you will be covered for casuality and property issues by the company that underwrites your policy. Underwriters may differ in coverage. My wife has found big differences in coverage between companies.

[BroadHopper]

I know of folks who winters in Florida and summers in NH that changed their residency to Florida when their automobiles will not pass NH inspections. In Florida there is no annual inspections. Anyone care to elaborate how Florida makes sure your car is roadworthy?

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

The huge sticking point on the ODBIII standard is that it will allow LE to come after those that are driving around in vehicles where the MIL/CEL (check engine idiot light) is on. As you may or may not know in NH if that bugger is on you automatically fail your inspection, other states want to monitor and actively ticket people for it, I hear that California is one. The reasoning behind that is generally if the MIL/CEL idiot light comes on, the problem is 9 times out of 10 going to be in the emissions control system.

The other piece of it is the fact it will have an on board data recorder similar to that of an aircraft so that should an accident occur information can be derived from the computer to give investigators detailed information on all the on board systems and other items such as speed and direction of travel. Finally that system will no doubt be tagged with a GPS as the ground work is being laid for a federal tax on mileage being driven which is supposed to replace the federal gas tax due to slumping revenues caused by more fuel efficient cars being produced. Granted, don't take this all as gospel, just stuff I've read about, how much of it is reality or fiction remains to be seen, but it all seems quite plausible.

So much for it's original intent which was to bring all the on board diagnostics into a single standard for all manufacturers.

Thank you for stating this. This concept is in the works and not fabricated. It is amazing how naive some are. Most don't even know that their car/truck/SUV has OBDII.