E15 Ethanol Warning!!

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by cillovely

It's good for nothing, not even lawn mowers I'm sure. The E10 does a job on motorcycles that don't get ridden every day. Hubby and I have to have our carburators cleaned and re-built every year becuase this stuff gunks up and makes them run awful.

Thanks for this, I will make sure when this junk comes around we don't put it in our boat.

If I recall correctly something I read mentioned that small equipment such as lawnmowers, chainsaws, leaf blowers etc will basically be destroyed by E-15 as they were designed to run on it. It will ruin them much like the older cars.

[KeepItSimple]

for ruining our fun toys. agree with SAB1, its all about the money. Real environmentalists know better. its despicable that the current administration continues this scam. This is from 2007:

"The United States automaker chief executives met with and further pushed President George Bush to back incentives bringing e85 ethanol and biodiesel to more gas stations across the country. The automotive companies examined their output of the newest flex-fuel vehicles.

In five years, half the cars made by General Motors, Chrysler and Ford Motor company, would be capable to run on biodiesel or E85, the automotive executives explained.

The meeting with President Bush in Washington DC was for the second time in about 16 weeks that Rick Wagoner of GM, Alan R. Mulally of Ford and Thomas W. LaSorda of Chrysler urged President Bush to expand access to more and more biofuels. The automaker executives wanted that over the proposed stricter fuel economy as a way to cut America's oil use....America's ethanol producers, made mainly from corn, receive a tax credits of 51 cents per gallon. They also receive a 54 cent tariff on every gallon of ethanol that is imported. Flex-fuel vehicle automakers get a credit that lets them increase their automobile's fuel economy."

http://www.e85safety.com/

[SIKSUKR]

I will say that the intention is good.Reality is another thing.

[RailroadJoe]

Ruin cars faster. Buy new ones quicker. More money
for Detroit. Its called planned obsolescence. Books written years ago about it.

[BroadHopper]

When the gasoline runs dry, I predict gasoline engines will be converted to run natural gas. We have a 90 year supply under our feet. Google and you will see many natural gas projects working today.

We don't need no stinking ethanol!

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

When the gasoline runs dry, I predict gasoline engines will be converted to run natural gas. We have a 90 year supply under our feet. Google and you will see many natural gas projects working today.

We don't need no stinking ethanol!

Ninety years isn't no stinking long time either.
then what?

[Scott's Yott]

Any gas station that sells e15 should be boycotted.........There is nothing good about it and only BRAND NEW cars or equiptment can even use it

[tis]

Originally Posted by Scott's Yott

Any gas station that sells e15 should be boycotted.........There is nothing good about it and only BRAND NEW cars or equiptment can even use it

That is probably the only thing that will work. If everyone in the country refused to buy it, they would have to drop it. But it will probably mean we won't be going anywhere because who doesn't sell it?

[NoBozo]

I just bought a new "Honda 2000i Companion Generator". The owners manual says I should NOT use any fuel with more Ethonal than E10.

The person at the dealer who finalized my contract...reminded me: IF you don't take care of your generator..as with respect to ETHONAL...ie..your "carburater gets clogged". Your warranty does not cover this. NB

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

I just bought a new "Honda 2000i Companion Generator". The owners manual says I should NOT use any fuel with more Ethonal than E10.

The person at the dealer who finalized my contract...reminded me: IF you don't take care of your generator..as with respect to ETHONAL...ie..your "carburater gets clogged". Your warranty does not cover this. NB

I find the best way to prevent problems with things like that is to drain the gas and run it dry after use.
To the best of my knowledge you can not clog the carburetor if it has no fuel in it.

[Jonas Pilot]

And why should we have to do that?

[NoBozo]

YUP: The generator has a drain tube to conveniently drain the gas TANK. ALSO: Run the carb dry. Honda thinks of everything. NB

[dippasan]

I posted this in reply in a thread in the "General Discussion" category. It is my endorsement of a gasoline additive to help with E-10 problems. Not sure if it will be as effective on E-15 but I guess time will tell.

As a former mechanic I can tell you that E-10 has been creating havoc with all kinds of internal combustion engines.
To eliminate any future problems with "occasional use" motorized things, use the Startron Enzyme fuel treatment.
It comes in a light blue bottle and the concentrated 16 oz bottle will treat up to 256 gallons of gas. It can be bought almost anywhere i.e. Walmart and auto parts stores.
I have several snowmobiles and motorcycles not to mention a generator, lawn tractor, chain saw etc etc. Stuff that potentially sits for quite some time. Since using the Enzyme treatment I never have a problem. I took out one of my motorcycles last week and it hadn't been driven since March. It fired right up and ran perfect. I have cleaned more carburetors for family members and friends in the last couple of years then I care to remember. Use it in anything gas powered. 2 stroke, 4 stroke...doesn't matter.

Good luck!
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[SAB1]

Seafoam is also another great product to help with problems created by ethanol.

[songkrai]

Another story.
Not sure if true.

But I do recall folks in the olden days of claiming to go to Laconia Airport and purchasing "aviation" fuel. That this aviation fuel had a higher ocatane rating.

Is aviation fuel leaded or unleaded today?

I don't have a clue what is in aviation fuel today. Maybe some pilots can chime in.

[songkrai]

On another note.

I just had the carburetor replaced on my weedwhaker. This ethanol is clogging up all small engines.

[tis]

If someone was smart enough maybe they could start a campaign on Facebook to get rid of ethanol altogether.

[holeinthewall]

This is all very interesting.
If you think about it, corn is really not good for anything.

Corn is a grain that is not easy for us to digest. Yes, I enjoy a nice ear of corn in the summer, but you really aren't digesting what you consume.

It is not a good animal feed. It is just cheap feed. The meat and milk that cows produce is inferior to what is produced by grass fed cows.

It is a terrible source of ethanol. It is expensive to produce, and ruins the fuel it is combined with.

It may be good for making whiskey, not sure about that.

The only positive thing you can say about it is that it makes a good crop to grow in the midwest that makes Archer Daniels Midland and Monsanto a pile of money.

Congress needs to stop the corn subsidies.

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Ninety years isn't no stinking long time either.
then what?

Atomic power or something we haven't invented yet.

We really have no need to use our prime food growing real estate to grow fuel. In 90 years there will be a bunch more mouths to feed as well.

I wish the politicians would stop with the ethanol experiment, but they get huge support from the farmers.

[John A. Birdsall]

l think that running the unit dry would cause the seals and gaskets to run dry. I think instead increase the stablizer for winterizing the tanks and motors. My mechanic has recommended an ounce per six gallons of gas all the time to be run. Coarse I have one of the engines that require oil mix.

[BroadHopper]

Among some of the crazy things attached to the Fiscal Cliff bill is a tax credit to gas stations to install E15 pumps and tanks to accelerate the use of E15 ethanol. Here is a link to a warning from AAA to motorists who did not purchase the flexfuel autos.

http://autos.aol.com/article/fiscal-...6pLid%3D256091

What is bad is that the govt. only test how E15 effect the evironment, not the caustic effect on autos.

My daughter's father-in-law bought one of the first flexfuel Chevy pickup. After using E85 the check engine light came on and for years never went off. Only the dealer will inspect it. (Mass.) he just recently move to NH and couldn't find someone to inspect it. Not even the NH Chevy dealers will touch it. Since it won't pass inspection, he cannot trade it in. He was told to trade in Florida where there are no inspection.

[tis]

THat is just awful. THe government strikes again. I hope they wake up and decided we don't need E15. Think if autos can't handle it, what it will do to our boats this summer!

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by tis

THat is just awful. THe government strikes again. I hope they wake up and decided we don't need E15. Think if autos can't handle it, what it will do to our boats this summer!

If you want to use E-15 in your boat this up coming summer then you will have to travel to Kansas, Iowa, or Nebraska. They are the only states with E-15 pumps. Have a nice trip.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by Rusty

If you want to use E-15 in your boat this up coming summer then you will have to travel to Kansas, Iowa, or Nebraska. They are the only states with E-15 pumps. Have a nice trip.

Rusty there are some subjects that just are not laughing matters.
You really should determine that before you post.
We are all going to be effected by this especially anyone with a 2 stroke engine weather it be chain saw, leaf blower, snowmobile. The older the product the more likely it is to fail from breakdown to ethanol. Seals, oring's and bushings were not made to withstand this fuel and they are the first things to degrade.
This is not even remotely funny.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Among some of the crazy things attached to the Fiscal Cliff bill is a tax credit to gas stations to install E15 pumps and tanks to accelerate the use of E15 ethanol. Here is a link to a warning from AAA to motorists who did not purchase the flexfuel autos.

http://autos.aol.com/article/fiscal-...6pLid%3D256091

What is bad is that the govt. only test how E15 effect the evironment, not the caustic effect on autos.

My daughter's father-in-law bought one of the first flexfuel Chevy pickup. After using E85 the check engine light came on and for years never went off. Only the dealer will inspect it. (Mass.) he just recently move to NH and couldn't find someone to inspect it. Not even the NH Chevy dealers will touch it. Since it won't pass inspection, he cannot trade it in. He was told to trade in Florida where there are no inspection.

It was a tax credit "extension" to gas stations to install E15 pumps. They were already getting the tax credit. Not too many gas stations think it's financially feasible to put the pumps in.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SAB1

If I recall correctly something I read mentioned that small equipment such as lawnmowers, chainsaws, leaf blowers etc will basically be destroyed by E-15 as they were designed to run on it. It will ruin them much like the older cars.

I bought a lawnmower at Home Depot, and loaded it up for a six-hour trip.

Upon arrival, I opened the box, and directly inside was a small note from the manufacturer saying that the mower had not been approved for E15. ...and that was two years ago.

Having a foreboding sense of the future, I returned it—unused—and bought an electric lawnmower. (Which should outlast the introduction of E20 )

[Winnisquamguy]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Having a foreboding sense of the future, I returned it—unused—and bought an electric lawnmower. (Which should outlast the introduction of E20 )

I wonder how many electrical cords you will go through during that period?

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

I wonder how many electrical cords you will go through during that period?

And can he really mow the lawn at "Acres per Second" with an electric.

FYI, APS, 4 stroke engines are not as prone to problems as the 2 stoke, and mowers and things like that do not have as many components to be concerned over as car's, trucks, boats and all 2 stroke engines. Just a basic engine and carb which you can drain at the end of the season.
Good luck with your electric mower

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

I wonder how many electrical cords you will go through during that period?

Go ahead and laugh.

It's not how many cords that I "go through", but how many cords I gain!



How many cords 'you got?

I got 62!

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Go ahead and laugh. It's not how many cords that I "go through", but how many cords I gain!



How many cords 'you got?

I got 62!

And once again, just what does this have to do with the lake?