Another waste of NH money.

jrc · 08-03-2012, 11:19 PM

Some projects were "shovel ready" some were not. Oh I'm sorry there's no such thing as shovel ready.

I used to think that these kind of decisions were made to please people with political clout. Now I think it's just incompetence. The only thing that makes me feel half way good is that Mass is worse. I saw them pave a bridge over 495. There was concrete falling off the bottom as they paved the top. A few months later they ripped up all the paving to fix the concrete.

Belmont Resident · 08-04-2012, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Some projects were "shovel ready" some were not. Oh I'm sorry there's no such thing as shovel ready.

I used to think that these kind of decisions were made to please people with political clout. Now I think it's just incompetence. The only thing that makes me feel half way good is that Mass is worse. I saw them pave a bridge over 495. There was concrete falling off the bottom as they paved the top. A few months later they ripped up all the paving to fix the concrete.

Yes jrc we see that all to often and it equates to fraud.
Using money to do a project just so they won't loose the money, then using more or our money to tear it up and do it all over again the right way.
Enough ranting I've got to go drive on that new unnecessary pavement to get to the house I'm painting.

Merrymeeting · 08-04-2012, 09:24 AM

On a related note, had to chuckle while driving back from a Boston doctor appointment yesterday.

Heading north on the Spaulding Turnpike (Rt 16). As you approach the Dover toll booths, just after coming over the bridge construction over Great Bay, you will see several "End Construction Zone" signs on both sides of the road. Twenty yards later, just before the tolls, you will see several "Begin Construction Zone" signs on both sides of the road.

Pontoon Goon · 08-04-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

The only thing that makes me feel half way good is that Mass is worse.

jcr I for one am happy the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is doing it's part to make you feel half way good.

Anyway, with year round conditions being what they are and relatively high traffic counts on the major roads I truly think N.H. is on top of things. Secondary roads are always SECONDARY.

Rusty · 08-04-2012, 03:20 PM

Homeowners know how hard it is to maintain an asphalt driveway. Cracks, dips, rocks/boulders lift in the spring time causing a bump with hair line cracks around it, chipping, etc.
Homeowners have the same difficult decisions to make just like the NH DOT does. When do you fill the cracks, when do you seal it, how do I get the oil stains off...and so on.

What Town does the DOT appease first, can they just add a shim coat, how much money is left in the budget.

It's not easy trying to have a 10 year plan and then have mother nature change them. Floods, a very cold winter, a lot of snow, more than usual runoff from the Mountain streams...all these add up to having something not getting done that the original plan called for.

Maybe if we go back to dirt roads and just scrape them once in a while will do the trick.

BroadHopper · 08-06-2012, 08:33 AM

NH natives love it when the PT residents and tourists complains about our roads. We don't want you to settle in our towns and change our ways.

That is why the state is doing a good job for us.

Jonas Pilot · 08-06-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

NH natives love it when the PT residents and tourists complains about our roads. We don't want you to settle in our towns and change our ways.

That is why the state is doing a good job for us.

There is some truth in that.

jrc · 08-06-2012, 09:22 AM

Do you really think, "let's make our state crappy, so no one will come here" is a good plan?

How about, "let's make this place great, so the best and brightest will move here" instead?

Belmont Resident · 08-06-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

NH natives love it when the PT residents and tourists complains about our roads. We don't want you to settle in our towns and change our ways.

That is why the state is doing a good job for us.

BH the problem is the state isn't doing a very good job at all for US.
Some of these roads in question are almost a hazard for us to drive a motorcycle on.
I have a friend who rides and carries a wheel chair on a special fixture behind his bike, a 3 wheeled trike. Even with it strapped down he has lost it due to the poor road conditions between the lakes region and Conway.
Rt-107, 129, 175, 3A 113, 113A and many others all used to be great STATE maintained roads to take a motorcycle to get off the highways. Now it is almost impossible to find a state road or for that matter any other road that isn't a highway to take a motorcycle on safely.

Grandpa Redneck · 08-06-2012, 04:32 PM

If you want to see a really porly maintained road check out RTE 25C from Warren to Piermont. I have drivven most of the ones mentioned in this thread and 25C makes em all look like a super highway

Grandpa Redneck · 08-06-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandpa Redneck

If you want to see a really porly maintained road check out RTE 25C from Warren to Piermont. I have drivven most of the ones mentioned in this thread and 25C makes em all look like a super highway

Tho I do have to say last summer, and this summer the local state road crew are fixing some of it a 100 yards at a time.

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08-03-2012, 11:19 PM	#1
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Some projects were "shovel ready" some were not. Oh I'm sorry there's no such thing as shovel ready. I used to think that these kind of decisions were made to please people with political clout. Now I think it's just incompetence. The only thing that makes me feel half way good is that Mass is worse. I saw them pave a bridge over 495. There was concrete falling off the bottom as they paved the top. A few months later they ripped up all the paving to fix the concrete.

08-04-2012, 09:24 AM	#3
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,228 Thanks: 305 Thanked 802 Times in 369 Posts	On a related note, had to chuckle while driving back from a Boston doctor appointment yesterday. Heading north on the Spaulding Turnpike (Rt 16). As you approach the Dover toll booths, just after coming over the bridge construction over Great Bay, you will see several "End Construction Zone" signs on both sides of the road. Twenty yards later, just before the tolls, you will see several "Begin Construction Zone" signs on both sides of the road.

08-04-2012, 03:20 PM	#5
Rusty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,028 Thanks: 603 Thanked 687 Times in 425 Posts	Homeowners know how hard it is to maintain an asphalt driveway. Cracks, dips, rocks/boulders lift in the spring time causing a bump with hair line cracks around it, chipping, etc. Homeowners have the same difficult decisions to make just like the NH DOT does. When do you fill the cracks, when do you seal it, how do I get the oil stains off...and so on. What Town does the DOT appease first, can they just add a shim coat, how much money is left in the budget. It's not easy trying to have a 10 year plan and then have mother nature change them. Floods, a very cold winter, a lot of snow, more than usual runoff from the Mountain streams...all these add up to having something not getting done that the original plan called for. Maybe if we go back to dirt roads and just scrape them once in a while will do the trick.

08-06-2012, 09:22 AM	#8
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Do you really think, "let's make our state crappy, so no one will come here" is a good plan? How about, "let's make this place great, so the best and brightest will move here" instead?

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