Doesn't anyone know what 150' means on the lake?

Belmont Resident · 08-25-2012, 06:02 AM

The speed limit did absolutely nothing to curb the problems on the lake.
If anything the timing of it coupled with the economic down fall made it seem as though it may have helped.
The purpose of the SL was to and did cause a lot of the performance boats to leave.
Having talked with someone who was a supporter of the SL I found out that it wasn't really about speed as much as noise and the real drive was to rid the lake of the weekend noise.
As far as the real issues which were always about safe operation and following the rules, not one thing has changed. You still have the same problems with safe operation failure to give way, violating the 150ft rule and they are still being done by the same boaters as before. Mainly vacation goers and those who simply do not care.
Personally I hope it continues to get worse out there until it reaches the level that proceeded the speed limit. Why because then it will become evident that none of the real issues regarding safety were fixed just because the lake became quieter and some of the performance boaters left it.
outlawfun I'm not sure if you were involved or not but those opposed to the speed limit shot themselves in the foot with their own stand on the issue.
We were involved from the beginning and when it became apparent that the opponents did not want to talk about options when it did become apparent that the SL could very well happen, that is when we decided not to be involved any longer. The, my way or the highway mentality with no room for discussion on the issue is what in our opinion helped seal the deal along with the timing of the boating accident.
Also the Formula dealer changing hands had nothing to do with speed limits.
Formula chose to pull out of Lakeport and look for a new dealer and it had nothing at all to do with the speed limit debate or speed limits on the lake.

Sue Doe-Nym · 08-26-2012, 11:14 AM

BR, many of your comments are on the mark especially those about the noise. Why weren't the GFBL clowns smart enough to realize that the noise part was far more of a problem than the speed. There are still too many boats not going that fast but are making an incredible amount of noise.

Like you say, there are still the same old safety problems which have not been corrected with the passing of the SL.

Rusty · 08-26-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

BR, many of your comments are on the mark especially those about the noise. Why weren't the GFBL clowns smart enough to realize that the noise part was far more of a problem than the speed. There are still too many boats not going that fast but are making an incredible amount of noise.

Like you say, there are still the same old safety problems which have not been corrected with the passing of the SL.

GFBL Boaters are "clowns".

I never thought of them that way...interesting comment though.

Sue Doe-Nym · 08-27-2012, 09:34 AM

It's not fair to say that all GFBL are clowns, simply that there were/are enough of them to screw it up for the rest of us.

codeman671 · 08-27-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

BR, many of your comments are on the mark especially those about the noise. Why weren't the GFBL clowns smart enough to realize that the noise part was far more of a problem than the speed. There are still too many boats not going that fast but are making an incredible amount of noise.

Like you say, there are still the same old safety problems which have not been corrected with the passing of the SL.

The state has a set limit for noise and it is their job to police it. If someone is running too loud they should be ticketed and made to comply. If MP is not keeping up on it, or ignoring it, there lies the problem.

When I got my Sonic last year and went for my first ride I was one of those offenders. I immediately pulled it out and took it in for mufflers so that I complied. I was not stopped on my first ride, nor after modifying it to comply.

The morons are out in full force. My wife has a nasty habit of "saluting" other boaters that are within 50' of us on plane. Her hand was rather tired a week ago after going in and out of Paugus bay...One idiot in a Chris Craft blew by at 50', smiling and waving. Boy did he get a surprise when she "waved" back. He had no idea what he had done wrong!

I will say, as much as I hate to point out one type of boater, or brand of boat, but I am seeing an abundance of Formula owners that are obnoxious this year. Not the performance boats either, mainly sports and cruisers.

ishoot308 · 08-27-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

I am seeing an abundance of Formula owners that are obnoxious this year. Not the performance boats either, mainly sports and cruisers.

I have to agree 100% at least this year... I have had no problems with bow riders and the like, performance boats, bass boats, etc, etc, this year but the big cruisers are killing me! I have given up on fishing between the hours of 10:00 A.M. and 4:00 P.M. It just is not worth the aggravation to constantly have one large cruiser after another come within 50' at full throttle and have their wake toss me around to the point where I am hanging on and stuff is flying on the floor! And yes these boats cause large wakes even when on plane!

It's not like I am fishing in coves or channel areas either...I am in the dam broads and they have two miles of open water on either side to stay away!! The ones that really piss me off are the ones that wave as they go by!!!

codeman671 · 08-27-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

It's not like I am fishing in coves or channel areas either...I am in the dam broads and they have two miles of open water on either side to stay away!! The ones that really piss me off are the ones that wave as they go by!!!

I waved to you on the way by Saturday night, but I was 150' out

lawn psycho · 08-27-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

The state has a set limit for noise and it is their job to police it. If someone is running too loud they should be ticketed and made to comply. If MP is not keeping up on it, or ignoring it, there lies the problem.

When I got my Sonic last year and went for my first ride I was one of those offenders. I immediately pulled it out and took it in for mufflers so that I complied. I was not stopped on my first ride, nor after modifying it to comply.

The morons are out in full force. My wife has a nasty habit of "saluting" other boaters that are within 50' of us on plane. Her hand was rather tired a week ago after going in and out of Paugus bay...One idiot in a Chris Craft blew by at 50', smiling and waving. Boy did he get a surprise when she "waved" back. He had no idea what he had done wrong!

I will say, as much as I hate to point out one type of boater, or brand of boat, but I am seeing an abundance of Formula owners that are obnoxious this year. Not the performance boats either, mainly sports and cruisers.

My advice is to have the wife be a little smarter before giving the single finger salute. You may end up with more problems than a boat coming closer than 150 ft. Just not worth it.

As for the 150 ft rule, NH is the only state with such a rule. IMO, it leads to more confusion and unrealistic expectations than what it tries to solve.

Belmont Resident · 08-28-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

The state has a set limit for noise and it is their job to police it. If someone is running too loud they should be ticketed and made to comply. If MP is not keeping up on it, or ignoring it, there lies the problem.

When I got my Sonic last year and went for my first ride I was one of those offenders. I immediately pulled it out and took it in for mufflers so that I complied. I was not stopped on my first ride, nor after modifying it to comply.

The morons are out in full force. My wife has a nasty habit of "saluting" other boaters that are within 50' of us on plane. Her hand was rather tired a week ago after going in and out of Paugus bay...One idiot in a Chris Craft blew by at 50', smiling and waving. Boy did he get a surprise when she "waved" back. He had no idea what he had done wrong!

I will say, as much as I hate to point out one type of boater, or brand of boat, but I am seeing an abundance of Formula owners that are obnoxious this year. Not the performance boats either, mainly sports and cruisers.

Weather legal or not the lake sound level is on it's way up. Now that the restrictions on switchable exhaust have been lifted I see and hear more pleasure boats with switchable exhaust, boats that dealers were unable to stock in this state because it wasn't legal are now being sold.
Several times this weekend and while working at the lake I've heard that unmistakable bark of a through hull exhaust and expected to see a Fountain only to have looked out and see a Regal or Formula cruiser tooling along.
And now that the safety complaints seem to be stacking up it looks like those who thought a speed limit was the fix all for the lake will have to go back to the drawing board.
Maybe more emphasis this time might be placed on the real safety issues on the lake like there should have been to begin with.
Funny thing, now that a lake is again getting crowded and all those problems that some said went away with the speed limit are all the sudden back to haunt us, I do not see the pro speed limit people defending their stand on the speed limit having done more then just make the lake a quieter place for a few years.

ishoot308 · 08-28-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Weather legal or not the lake sound level is on it's way up. Now that the restrictions on switchable exhaust have been lifted I see and hear more pleasure boats with switchable exhaust, boats that dealers were unable to stock in this state because it wasn't legal are now being sold.

I don't see how that is possible since switchable exhaust must not exceed the noise limit law when OPEN in it's loudest position, therefore the lake can only become quieter which it has considerably in my opinion thanks to this law!

Being on Welch Island all summer, I am in the middle of it all and it has been noticeably quieter this year than in years past. I have also noticed it's much quieter at every town dock I have been to. Switchable exhaust allow the captain to switch to quiet mode when entering or leaving port which sure has been nice especially when performance boats are coming or going from the docks or just starting up. In my opinion the switchable exhaust law is one of the few laws passed that has made a huge difference.

Dan

BroadHopper · 08-28-2012, 01:29 PM

are not done yet BR. Many have expressed passing a boat length limit to rid the lake of 'ocean cruisers' because of wake erosion on the shore lines. They have also talked about horsepower limits if the speed and noise is not curtailed. The reason they think this can be done is that Lake Winnipesaukee is technically a water reservoir like Lake Massebisic and Quabbin. Both resevoir limit the size of boats and horsepower.

I guess thay will have to ship the Mt Washington back to Lake Champlain.

08-25-2012, 06:02 AM	#1
Belmont Resident Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine Posts: 1,857 Thanks: 491 Thanked 410 Times in 251 Posts	My observatons The speed limit did absolutely nothing to curb the problems on the lake. If anything the timing of it coupled with the economic down fall made it seem as though it may have helped. The purpose of the SL was to and did cause a lot of the performance boats to leave. Having talked with someone who was a supporter of the SL I found out that it wasn't really about speed as much as noise and the real drive was to rid the lake of the weekend noise. As far as the real issues which were always about safe operation and following the rules, not one thing has changed. You still have the same problems with safe operation failure to give way, violating the 150ft rule and they are still being done by the same boaters as before. Mainly vacation goers and those who simply do not care. Personally I hope it continues to get worse out there until it reaches the level that proceeded the speed limit. Why because then it will become evident that none of the real issues regarding safety were fixed just because the lake became quieter and some of the performance boaters left it. outlawfun I'm not sure if you were involved or not but those opposed to the speed limit shot themselves in the foot with their own stand on the issue. We were involved from the beginning and when it became apparent that the opponents did not want to talk about options when it did become apparent that the SL could very well happen, that is when we decided not to be involved any longer. The, my way or the highway mentality with no room for discussion on the issue is what in our opinion helped seal the deal along with the timing of the boating accident. Also the Formula dealer changing hands had nothing to do with speed limits. Formula chose to pull out of Lakeport and look for a new dealer and it had nothing at all to do with the speed limit debate or speed limits on the lake. __________________ "better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, then a long life spent in a miserable way.."

08-28-2012, 01:29 PM	#11
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,612 Thanks: 3,245 Thanked 1,113 Times in 799 Posts	SL Supporters are not done yet BR. Many have expressed passing a boat length limit to rid the lake of 'ocean cruisers' because of wake erosion on the shore lines. They have also talked about horsepower limits if the speed and noise is not curtailed. The reason they think this can be done is that Lake Winnipesaukee is technically a water reservoir like Lake Massebisic and Quabbin. Both resevoir limit the size of boats and horsepower. I guess thay will have to ship the Mt Washington back to Lake Champlain. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

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08-26-2012, 11:14 AM	#2
Sue Doe-Nym Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 762 Thanked 796 Times in 419 Posts	BR, many of your comments are on the mark especially those about the noise. Why weren't the GFBL clowns smart enough to realize that the noise part was far more of a problem than the speed. There are still too many boats not going that fast but are making an incredible amount of noise. Like you say, there are still the same old safety problems which have not been corrected with the passing of the SL.

08-27-2012, 09:34 AM	#4
Sue Doe-Nym Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 762 Thanked 796 Times in 419 Posts	It's not fair to say that all GFBL are clowns, simply that there were/are enough of them to screw it up for the rest of us.

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