Pit Bulls

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

That's cute. They're saying, "We get to eat cookies on the couch tonight for this".

It takes my wife over an hour and a hundred shots using the remote just to get the right one.
Unfortunately this year she will not do one, maybe next year.

[jrc]

Sad so sad, my sympathy to your family.

An agressive dog with the size and strength of a pitbull is too dangerous to have as a pet. Just my opinion.

I know it's tough to think about it this way, but if you have a documented monetary investment in your dog, maybe you can sue them for your financial loss. Obviously this is not your "real" loss, but it may be tool to convince them to remove their dog from the situation. You have other dogs to protect.

[Resident 2B]

Very sorry to hear of your loss. Your dog looks like it was a great pet.

With pitbulls, they are often fine and loving with the humans they live with, but they can never be trusted with other four-legged animals. Once they sense fear in another animal, watch out. It is in their genes, what they as a breed were developed to do.

R2B

[Rusty]

Get one of these dogs and introduce him to your neighbors pit bull.



Dogo Argentino

First bred in Argentina in 1928, the Dogo was taken from the now extinct Cordoba Fighting Dog, which was mixed with various other breeds, including the Great Dane, Dogue de Bordeaux and Irish Wolfhound. Breeder Antonio Nores Martinez developed his dog as a big game hunter, taking on such dangerous prey as the mountain lion. Although it was not its original purpose, the Dogo has also been used for fighting. Generally weighing in at just under a hundred pounds, it is solid white and resembles a larger Pit Bull. The Dogo is banned in at least 10 countries, including Australia, New Zealand and Portugal.

[Belmont Resident]

Unfortunately you cannot pick your neighbors and unfortunately we wound up with what we have.
There have been a multitude of other problems with these neighbors over the years including dogs and also their chickens in our yard.
They do not have much but my wife and I do plan on taking them to court for the vet bill when we get it as well as the replacement cost.
Even if the cost to do so over rides the return in this case it is the point.
Little, considering our loss.
We do hope that they do not pay the ticket within the prescribed time. If so the town can then take legal action. Right now they are bound by the extent of the law which doesn't allow for more then a fine.

[JDeere]

If the pit bull is in your yard or threatening you I would assume you would have the legal right to shoot the damn thing?

I would not let that beast within 10 feet of me.

[ishoot308]

B.R.;

When Pirate was attacked was he in your yard or your neighbors?? If he was in your yard you definitely have a case to recoup cost for the dog and all vet bills. If he was in your neighbors you will have a fight on your hands I think.

Either way my heart goes out to you and your wife for your loss.

Dan

[Altonbayicefishingfool]

I agree 100%!

I don't trust that breed as far as I could throw them. I don't care what people say they cannot be trusted..

[VitaBene]

BR So sorry for your loss, it is horrible.

I am in my office and was scrolling through the thread when I hear this dog growling behind me (it was my Steeler). I was reading the description of the Dogo white dog above and he obviously saw something he did not like in the posture or something.

[Happy Gourmand]

BR, so sorry for your loss.
I too have no use for this breed of dog. A few years ago my son came over our house with a friend's pit bull. I told him to keep it on a short leash even while in the house. Though I was able to "pet" it, I didn't trust it. I dropped something on the floor, fairly close to the dog. As I bent to retrieve what was dropped, the dog lunged for my face. I managed to reach out and caught it by the collar and held it at bay until my son was able to get it under control. I consider that I was pretty lucky to make that collar catch.
I asked my son to get that dog out of my house and not return with it again.
I have a hard time thinking that some folks think they are really a gentle breed. They are not. There are way too many horrible stories like this one.

[bclaker]

Bob,
Was this the dog that rides the surf board?

[8gv]

Advice:

Bring a legal action against the owners of the dog that killed yours.

The loss of your pet in this manner has caused you emotional distress.

Any vet bills stemming from this cost you money.

Your dog had monetary value which is now gone.

Seek significant damages for these.

By bringing this action against your neighbor they will have to respond through their homeowners insurance. When their insurance company realizes what has happened they will likely demand the dog be removed. If the owner is not complant, the insurance company may not renew their policy.

Whether or not you win, you have had an impact on the neighbor.

If owners don't have enough sense to choose another breed, maybe the economics of owning a Pit Bull can be made unfeasible.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by 8gv

Advice:

Bring a legal action against the owners of the dog that killed yours.

The loss of your pet in this manner has caused you emotional distress.

Any vet bills stemming from this cost you money.

Your dog had monetary value which is now gone.

Seek significant damages for these.

By bringing this action against your neighbor they will have to respond through their homeowners insurance. When their insurance company realizes what has happened they will likely demand the dog be removed. If the owner is not complant, the insurance company may not renew their policy.

Whether or not you win, you have had an impact on the neighbor.

If owners don't have enough sense to choose another breed, maybe the economics of owning a Pit Bull can be made unfeasible.

I would like to do that as well but my wife wants to put it behind her and not have to face these people. We are planning on moving to get away from these people. We are however going to pursue legal action in small claims court for vet bills and attempt to get compensation for the cost of pirate.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

I would like to do that as well but my wife wants to put it behind her and not have to face these people. We are planning on moving to get away from these people. We are however going to pursue legal action in small claims court for vet bills and attempt to get compensation for the cost of pirate.

You will probably grind through the small claims process and after about two years, still not get anything out of those people. Good luck. My last experience when the people were in contempt of court for not paying 10$ a month toward a bill ended up with the judge telling me they didn't have enough money to pay since they only made 18,000 a year on disability. So I am disgusted with the whole process. I was in shock when the judge said that. I do a fair amount of collections and that has never happened to me before. Not able to pay 10$ a month???? But I know he has money for beer, etc.

[dippasan]

So sorry for your loss. Horrible.

In my humble opinion, these types of dogs are aggressive by nature and it does not take much to bring it out in them. My father in law loved these types of dogs, (Rottweilers, pit bulls, Dobermans). His dogs were highly trained and were "show dogs" and on many occasions I saw his own Rotty's growl, snap and behave very aggressive towards anyone.
I never let my guard down and never ever trusted these animals or these breeds around my kids or my own dogs.

[8gv]

There is a raging national debate on the merits of owning a Pit Bull. I've heard most of what both sides say. There is often a comparison made of bite incidents by different breeds. Pit Bull advocates may tell you that some other, well respected, kid friendly breed bites more often.

Here is where I see the difference:

Most dogs that bite do it once to send a messege and then disengage.

A Pit Bull will likely keep biting until what it is biting stops moving.

A Pit Bull has extremely capable biting equipment, thus making each bite cause more damage.

I stear clear of them. I cross the street when I see one coming. I believe this "bullying by proxy" is why some owners choose this breed.

[Steveo]

Pit bull left to "babysit" 10-month-old child, Fla. man arrested


(CBS) PALM COAST, Fla. - A 41-year-old northeast Florida man, James Irvine, faces child neglect charges after he allegedly left an infant in the care of a pit bull while he went out to drink Friday night.

The mother of the 10-month-old child left the baby in Irvine's care when she left for work on Nov. 30, the Daytona Beach News-Journal reports. However, Irvine soon abandoned the child to go out to a bar.

The child's mother reportedly became alarmed after she tried contacting Irvine several times Friday night. When Irvine finally picked up the mother's phone calls he reportedly told her "I'm watching the game," before hanging up, the newspaper reports.

When the mother arrived home, she discovered Irvine trying to get back into the house through the garage door.

According to the News-Journal, citing a Flagler County sheriff's report, Irvine told her that he had not "left the baby alone," because the "pit bull was watching the baby."

The dog was sitting outside the room where the child was left. The door was shut, and the child was allegedly crying, the Daytona Beach News-Journal reported.

Irvine was arrested and brought to the Flagler County Inmate Facility. He was later released on $1,500 bail, the newspaper reports.

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by 8gv

I stear clear of them. I cross the street when I see one coming. I believe this "bullying by proxy" is why some owners choose this breed.

The dog owner thinks it makes them a bad ass! That kind of stupid thinking shows how stupid they really are! Probably why the owner was going to deny it was their dog that did it! Get a clue!

[gravy boat]

BR -- I am so sorry for your loss. As you can see by my avitar I am a dog lover myself.

I am not familiar with the local laws, but perhaps you document every call and response, get a copy of the police report you filed, and whatever other information could help you make your case and then consult a lawyer for a civil suit. Again, I don't know the laws or if it's feasible but hitting an ignoramus in the wallet may wake his/her sorry butt up.

GB

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by bclaker

Bob,
Was this the dog that rides the surf board?

No that was my Rascal. This was Pirate a gift from me on my wife's birthday about 10 years ago. She is never on the lake without her dog.
Believe it or not Rascal is a strong alpha dog and has sent this pit bull running for home many a time.

ishoot308: Pirate had escaped our fenced in yard and the attack happened on our dirt road. We did not see it but given past history, whenever pirate saw this dog she would give it a wide birth. Our belief is that she was trying to avoid the dog and the owner did nothing to stop her dog from chasing down pirate.

[magicrobotmonkey]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

BR, so sorry for your loss.
I too have no use for this breed of dog. A few years ago my son came over our house with a friend's pit bull. I told him to keep it on a short leash even while in the house. Though I was able to "pet" it, I didn't trust it. I dropped something on the floor, fairly close to the dog. As I bent to retrieve what was dropped, the dog lunged for my face. I managed to reach out and caught it by the collar and held it at bay until my son was able to get it under control. I consider that I was pretty lucky to make that collar catch.
I asked my son to get that dog out of my house and not return with it again.
I have a hard time thinking that some folks think they are really a gentle breed. They are not. There are way too many horrible stories like this one.

I'm sorry but this story doesn't show that all pit bulls are terrible killers. It shows that that dog was. Obviously there are bad pit bulls, as has been stated there are bad dogs of any breeds. Anyone who own a large strong dog needs to be responsible with it, just like anyone who owns a gun needs to be responsible with it. This extends to putting it down if necessary. I don't know why anyone would keep a dog around that had to be physically restrained over a piece of food like this one. To me it's equivalent to keeping a loaded, cocked pistol on your coffee table.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by magicrobotmonkey

I'm sorry but this story doesn't show that all pit bulls are terrible killers. It shows that that dog was. Obviously there are bad pit bulls, as has been stated there are bad dogs of any breeds. Anyone who own a large strong dog needs to be responsible with it, just like anyone who owns a gun needs to be responsible with it. This extends to putting it down if necessary. I don't know why anyone would keep a dog around that had to be physically restrained over a piece of food like this one. To me it's equivalent to keeping a loaded, cocked pistol on your coffee table.

Pit bulls are almost always the only dog in the news constantly for killing or maiming other animals and people. This breed of dog is a ticking time bomb.
Many cities have special ordinances specifically for dealing with pit bulls.

[eillac@dow]

BR...I am so sorry for your loss. I cannot even imagine it. Please extend my condolences to you family.

Allie

[Flylady]

Belmont Res. I am sorry for your loss. Unfortunately usually only those that have personal experiences with dogs attacking understand the true capabilities of certain breeds. Pit bulls and rottweiler because of the attack gene bred in are always capable of killing and there is NEVER a guarantee that something, however minor won't trigger that attack circuit.
For the doubters, look up how many children have been killed by their family pitbull or rottweiler. Surely they thought their dogs would never hurt a family member, but humans and dogs do not think the same way.

My son was attacked by the neighbors rottweiler when he was 6. The dog crashed through the front screen and ran across the street and attacked. He aimed to kill. Clearly the two little boys playing in their front yard triggered something that caused him to "snap". Luckily my son was saved by a 17 year old who fled with my son while the dog continued to lunge toward my son. They both sustained a lot of injuries and the hospital took pictures of them before treating.
Unfortunately the owners also thought it was fluke and decided the dog needed to be neutered. Within a few weeks the dog was seized and put down.

So for any owner of the suspect breeds, never, never ever trust that your animal is not capable of killing your pet, child or a stranger.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Belmont Res. I am sorry for your loss. Unfortunately usually only those that have personal experiences with dogs attacking understand the true capabilities of certain breeds. Pit bulls and rottweiler because of the attack gene bred in are always capable of killing and there is NEVER a guarantee that something, however minor won't trigger that attack circuit.
For the doubters, look up how many children have been killed by their family pitbull or rottweiler. Surely they thought their dogs would never hurt a family member, but humans and dogs do not think the same way.

My son was attacked by the neighbors rottweiler when he was 6. The dog crashed through the front screen and ran across the street and attacked. He aimed to kill. Clearly the two little boys playing in their front yard triggered something that caused him to "snap". Luckily my son was saved by a 17 year old who fled with my son while the dog continued to lunge toward my son. They both sustained a lot of injuries and the hospital took pictures of them before treating.
Unfortunately the owners also thought it was fluke and decided the dog needed to be neutered. Within a few weeks the dog was seized and put down.

So for any owner of the suspect breeds, never, never ever trust that your animal is not capable of killing your pet, child or a stranger.

Well said. A friend of the family got two of these dogs as pets about 18-months ago. We immediately ruled their house a no-go zone for the kids. They haven't been there since. It simply isn't worth the risk.

[winnipiseogee]

BelmontRes - I mean no disrespect by posting this on your thread but it seemed the appropriate area for the discussion. A pitbull puppy was tied to a bumper and dragged over a mile yesterday (mind you pit bulls are subjected to more abuse by humans than any other dog breed - wonder if its a coincidence?). Most statistics I can find suggest that humans inflicting acts of cruelty against dogs each year is higher than the incidence of dogs biting humans. Even the breeds being discussed are a result of humans breeding these undesirable traits into their animals. 60 years ago pitbulls were the single most popular family dog in america. Its only when the Scott Vicks of the world decided to breed them to fight each other that problems start to arise. We need to focus on what we can to target Bemont's irresponsible neighbors and leave the poor dogs alone.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by winnipiseogee

BelmontRes - I mean no disrespect by posting this on your thread but it seemed the appropriate area for the discussion. A pitbull puppy was tied to a bumper and dragged over a mile yesterday (mind you pit bulls are subjected to more abuse by humans than any other dog breed - wonder if its a coincidence?). Most statistics I can find suggest that humans inflicting acts of cruelty against dogs each year is higher than the incidence of dogs biting humans. Even the breeds being discussed are a result of humans breeding these undesirable traits into their animals. 60 years ago pitbulls were the single most popular family dog in america. Its only when the Scott Vicks of the world decided to breed them to fight each other that problems start to arise. We need to focus on what we can to target Bemont's irresponsible neighbors and leave the poor dogs alone.

As much as I now hate the breed I would NEVER advocate this type of torture to any animal.
But I do not agree with you. As stated earlier I believe the breed is a ticking time bomb weather it gets all the love and training in the world or it is trained to fight.

[Resident 2B]

All the best training in the world will not completely overcome genetics. It may mask the genetics most of the time, but a psychological trigger, no matter how small, can make these dogs instantaneously snap.

You buy a purebred dog because of the genetics in the breed you have chosen. Within a small range, you know what you are getting. Pit-bull owners need to realize what they have gotten into and take all necessary precautions to make sure their dog does not harm anyone or anyone's pet.

That is responsible ownership and if they are not doing that job, the dog should be removed as a menace to society. That is what an untrained and improperly supervised pit-bull truly is.

R2B