Can You Believe This????

Grant · 08-15-2005, 11:01 AM

Cast a jitterbug at the dude. Perhaps a nice treble hook in the ear lobe will alter his course...

lynnicken · 08-15-2005, 05:55 PM

I say if it happens again, call law enforcement

NEW HAMPSHIRE STATUTES ANNOTATED
TITLE XVIII. FISH AND GAME
CHAPTER 207. GENERAL PROVISIONS AS TO FISH AND GAME
INTERFERENCE WITH HUNTING, TRAPPING OR FISHING
207:57. Harassment
I. No person shall purposely obstruct or impede the participation of any individual in the lawful activity of hunting, fishing or trapping while that individual is in a designated hunting area on public lands. No person shall enter or remain in a designated hunting area on any state lands with the intent to purposely obstruct or impede the participation of any individual in the lawful activity of hunting, fishing or trapping

I wonder if it also applies to public waterways
still looking.....................

Silver Duck · 08-15-2005, 06:57 PM

Bear Islander

If you read the first post, there was nothing said about a moral objection to fishing. The "gentleman" said that he didn't want to look at a boat in front of his property.

This was harassment of somebody that was going about a legal and proper pursuit, pure and simple. And, since there were kids in the boat that was being harrassed

, this person's actions were totally inexcusable, and would have been even if there was some moral objection to fishing involved.

So far as I'm concerned, one doesn't deliberately endanger a child's safety, ever - even slightly (if this jerk was actually going slowly, which wasn't stated)!

Sorry, but on this one we'll have to part company!

Silver Duck

Bear Islander · 08-15-2005, 08:57 PM

In the first post it only says he "proceeded to circle around the boat". Nothing about speed or endangering children. If laws were broken they should have called the MP.

A moral objection to fishing is not required, his motives have little to do with his rights.

The right to protest is central to our freedom. It's his right even if he is the petty, ignorant imbecile he sounds like. It's easy to stick up for the rights of those we agree with, it's harder to defend somebodies right to be something we hate.

JDeere · 08-16-2005, 06:38 AM

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Everyone IMHO seems to confuse "THIER RIGHTS" with common courtesy. Just because the lake is open to the public does not mean that it is polite to anchor just in front of someone’s home. Ditto for the guy who circled in his boat.

Think about this another way. I have the right to park my car in front of your house, turn up my radio and suntan on the rood of my car but if I did you would ask me to leave.

The lake has many fishing, swimming, and anchoring spots without sitting in front of someone’s retreat.

Mee-n-Mac · 08-16-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere

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Everyone IMHO seems to confuse "THIER RIGHTS" with common courtesy. Just because the lake is open to the public does not mean that it is polite to anchor just in front of someone’s home. Ditto for the guy who circled in his boat.

Think about this another way. I have the right to park my car in front of your house, turn up my radio and suntan on the rood of my car but if I did you would ask me to leave.

The lake has many fishing, swimming, and anchoring spots without sitting in front of someone’s retreat.

I would only add that if I'm understanding it correctly, the black tipped marker refered to is some 300 - 400 ft offshore. While I'm not sure exactly when I'd say someone is anchoring "in my front yard" (so to say), I would say 300+ ft offshore doesn't qualify. Even the recently proposed lakewide NRZ regulation wouldn't have required LL6 to have moved. Moreover the homeowner stating that "he doesn't want to look at a boat" is a rediculous reason. As it appears here, I don't see how this case even strays into the gray area btw boater's and homeowner's "rights". This is a case where BR is correct.

Rattlesnake Gal · 08-16-2005, 04:51 PM

Why do I think that area of the lake is going to be inundated with boats this weekend?
(Be careful... this fellow might be a pirate. It is Treasure Island after all.)

I agree with Mee-n-Mac. That far away from shore is not someone's front yard.
This "fishing contest" for the kids doesn't sound like they were being discourteous.

dpg · 08-16-2005, 06:43 AM

Bear Islander: Some kind of moral objection to fishing?? Pleeassseee!!!! He was a well, let's not go there.

Also, if I were the person asked to move by the "officer" I would have refused (within my rights, if any) before I was given a reason. If the reason was a lame one then (move) and make a phone call to the officers superior and demand some reasoning as to his actions. Do you folks pay taxes, gas prices, insurance, registration costs, etc.etc?? Well then stick up for your rights which are by the way the exact same as the person making such an idiotic request (well, demand.)

Guess you can tell, one - no my only pet peeve is letting "people" like this win.

PROPELLER · 08-16-2005, 09:10 AM

JDeere, I have to disagree that there are many anchoring spots for fishing, swimming without anchoring in front of private property. There is very little now. The first post does not say how far away from his shore they were anchored & I agree there should be some common courtesy. But if they gave ample room between their anchoring spot & the shore, too bad. I would never have left even if the marine patrol asked as long as no laws were broken.

chipj29 · 08-17-2005, 07:20 AM

I am not a land owner on the lake. With that said, I just want to throw in my 2 cents. I think the land owner was being extremely rude by acting the way he did, and I don't think he had a right to try to scare away the anchored boat, just because it was in his view. Like it has been said, the lake is public domain. Now if the boat was anchored within swim lines, or very close to shore, then ok, the guy has a legitimate point. However the boat was a couple hundred feet off shore. Sure the guy has every right to power his boat around any other boat, as long as it is safe to do so at no wake speed. That doesn't make it a nice thing to do though!

I have read here about fisherman fishing so close to docks that their hook lands on a dock, or even in someones boat. That is just plain wrong. Maybe that is what the guy was worried about?

If it were me, I would feel somewhat funny about anchoring in proximety of the shore of someones cottage. I know it is ok to do, but I would feel funny about it. Thats just me.

feb · 08-17-2005, 08:26 AM

Fishermen typically fish within 150' of the shoreline. Every weekend morning I always see several boats trolling off and past my dock. My first response is typically "Hey, not so close", but that is quickly followed by "Well, it is a public place, and they are just traveling by, get over it." A sense of owning the lake is hard for some people to get over unfortunately.

But like someone just said, if this guy has had fish hooks into his boat canvas more times than he cares to put up with he may go to great lengths to make sure it doesn't happen again - right or wrong.

PROPELLER · 08-17-2005, 08:35 AM

Wrong, according to a previous post, the marker they were near is 300'-400' away from shore. Even if you were 75' from shore you could not cast up onto his deck or boat.

BroadHopper · 08-22-2005, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

Wrong, according to a previous post, the marker they were near is 300'-400' away from shore. Even if you were 75' from shore you could not cast up onto his deck or boat.

I remember taking the USCGA course and there is a national ruling that one may tie up to a dock or deck in case of emergency, regardless of who owns it. One time years ago, I was heading home and was caught is a blinding thunderstorm, it was so bad that I could barely see. So I tied up to someone's dock until the strom subsided.

winnilakegirl · 08-17-2005, 11:41 AM

As the law states the lake belongs to the people not the land owners. You can use the water up to the high water mark if you so desire.(Even if it is on the land itself). This includes the docks that people put out since it is in/on public waters. So basicly the land owner can not tell you to move.

It is a courtesy of those using the lake not to push the issue about going to the high water mark. I think the land owner needs to read the laws and realize they have no right to tell someone to move out of their "view". That person was very rude and if they ran into me they would be sorry.

I wouldn't move and probably I would have drove right up to there beach and planted my anchor.Just because they own the property doesn't mean they own the view too.

Don't get me wrong I am not a mean person and usually am very courteous to others but if I got approached like that I would not be so nice back. I too like to look at the views around the lake either from land or on the water. Sometimes you have to look through things (others) to see the view. It is part of life on the lake.

RumGuy · 08-22-2005, 08:15 AM

I would think that owning a home on the lake would entail looking at boats, wouldn't it? Perhaps a place in the mountains (of Idaho??) might suit that person better. The only boats that pain me are the ones that I am jealous of, like my neighbor's new Chris Craft Corsair!

08-15-2005, 11:01 AM	#1
Grant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pennsyltuckey, Tuftonboro, Moultonborough Posts: 1,501 Thanks: 377 Thanked 231 Times in 125 Posts	Solution Cast a jitterbug at the dude. Perhaps a nice treble hook in the ear lobe will alter his course... __________________ "When I die, please don't let my wife sell my dive gear for what I told her I paid for it."

08-16-2005, 06:38 AM	#5
JDeere Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 295 Thanks: 74 Thanked 52 Times in 25 Posts	Rights Versus Common Courtesy . Everyone IMHO seems to confuse "THIER RIGHTS" with common courtesy. Just because the lake is open to the public does not mean that it is polite to anchor just in front of someone’s home. Ditto for the guy who circled in his boat. Think about this another way. I have the right to park my car in front of your house, turn up my radio and suntan on the rood of my car but if I did you would ask me to leave. The lake has many fishing, swimming, and anchoring spots without sitting in front of someone’s retreat.

08-16-2005, 04:51 PM	#7
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,451 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	Treasure Island Why do I think that area of the lake is going to be inundated with boats this weekend? (Be careful... this fellow might be a pirate. It is Treasure Island after all.) I agree with Mee-n-Mac. That far away from shore is not someone's front yard. This "fishing contest" for the kids doesn't sound like they were being discourteous.

08-17-2005, 08:26 AM	#11
feb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Meredith (Winnisquam) & Nashua, NH Posts: 214 Thanks: 25 Thanked 20 Times in 17 Posts	Fish hook damage Fishermen typically fish within 150' of the shoreline. Every weekend morning I always see several boats trolling off and past my dock. My first response is typically "Hey, not so close", but that is quickly followed by "Well, it is a public place, and they are just traveling by, get over it." A sense of owning the lake is hard for some people to get over unfortunately. But like someone just said, if this guy has had fish hooks into his boat canvas more times than he cares to put up with he may go to great lengths to make sure it doesn't happen again - right or wrong.

08-17-2005, 11:41 AM	#14
winnilakegirl Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Your rights on the water As the law states the lake belongs to the people not the land owners. You can use the water up to the high water mark if you so desire.(Even if it is on the land itself). This includes the docks that people put out since it is in/on public waters. So basicly the land owner can not tell you to move. It is a courtesy of those using the lake not to push the issue about going to the high water mark. I think the land owner needs to read the laws and realize they have no right to tell someone to move out of their "view". That person was very rude and if they ran into me they would be sorry. I wouldn't move and probably I would have drove right up to there beach and planted my anchor.Just because they own the property doesn't mean they own the view too. Don't get me wrong I am not a mean person and usually am very courteous to others but if I got approached like that I would not be so nice back. I too like to look at the views around the lake either from land or on the water. Sometimes you have to look through things (others) to see the view. It is part of life on the lake.

08-15-2005, 05:55 PM	#2
lynnicken Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Manchvegas Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I say if it happens again, call law enforcement NEW HAMPSHIRE STATUTES ANNOTATED TITLE XVIII. FISH AND GAME CHAPTER 207. GENERAL PROVISIONS AS TO FISH AND GAME INTERFERENCE WITH HUNTING, TRAPPING OR FISHING 207:57. Harassment I. No person shall purposely obstruct or impede the participation of any individual in the lawful activity of hunting, fishing or trapping while that individual is in a designated hunting area on public lands. No person shall enter or remain in a designated hunting area on any state lands with the intent to purposely obstruct or impede the participation of any individual in the lawful activity of hunting, fishing or trapping I wonder if it also applies to public waterways still looking.....................

08-15-2005, 06:57 PM	#3
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Bear Islander If you read the first post, there was nothing said about a moral objection to fishing. The "gentleman" said that he didn't want to look at a boat in front of his property. This was harassment of somebody that was going about a legal and proper pursuit, pure and simple. And, since there were kids in the boat that was being harrassed , this person's actions were totally inexcusable, and would have been even if there was some moral objection to fishing involved. So far as I'm concerned, one doesn't deliberately endanger a child's safety, ever - even slightly (if this jerk was actually going slowly, which wasn't stated)! Sorry, but on this one we'll have to part company! Silver Duck

08-15-2005, 08:57 PM	#4
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	In the first post it only says he "proceeded to circle around the boat". Nothing about speed or endangering children. If laws were broken they should have called the MP. A moral objection to fishing is not required, his motives have little to do with his rights. The right to protest is central to our freedom. It's his right even if he is the petty, ignorant imbecile he sounds like. It's easy to stick up for the rights of those we agree with, it's harder to defend somebodies right to be something we hate.

08-16-2005, 06:43 AM	#8
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,597 Thanks: 153 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	Bear Islander: Some kind of moral objection to fishing?? Pleeassseee!!!! He was a well, let's not go there. Also, if I were the person asked to move by the "officer" I would have refused (within my rights, if any) before I was given a reason. If the reason was a lame one then (move) and make a phone call to the officers superior and demand some reasoning as to his actions. Do you folks pay taxes, gas prices, insurance, registration costs, etc.etc?? Well then stick up for your rights which are by the way the exact same as the person making such an idiotic request (well, demand.) Guess you can tell, one - no my only pet peeve is letting "people" like this win.

08-16-2005, 09:10 AM	#9
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	JDeere, I have to disagree that there are many anchoring spots for fishing, swimming without anchoring in front of private property. There is very little now. The first post does not say how far away from his shore they were anchored & I agree there should be some common courtesy. But if they gave ample room between their anchoring spot & the shore, too bad. I would never have left even if the marine patrol asked as long as no laws were broken.

08-17-2005, 07:20 AM	#10
chipj29 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bow Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 521 Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts	I am not a land owner on the lake. With that said, I just want to throw in my 2 cents. I think the land owner was being extremely rude by acting the way he did, and I don't think he had a right to try to scare away the anchored boat, just because it was in his view. Like it has been said, the lake is public domain. Now if the boat was anchored within swim lines, or very close to shore, then ok, the guy has a legitimate point. However the boat was a couple hundred feet off shore. Sure the guy has every right to power his boat around any other boat, as long as it is safe to do so at no wake speed. That doesn't make it a nice thing to do though! I have read here about fisherman fishing so close to docks that their hook lands on a dock, or even in someones boat. That is just plain wrong. Maybe that is what the guy was worried about? If it were me, I would feel somewhat funny about anchoring in proximety of the shore of someones cottage. I know it is ok to do, but I would feel funny about it. Thats just me.

08-17-2005, 08:35 AM	#12
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wrong, according to a previous post, the marker they were near is 300'-400' away from shore. Even if you were 75' from shore you could not cast up onto his deck or boat.

08-22-2005, 08:15 AM	#15
RumGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cape Cod / W.Alton Posts: 76 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Hmmmm I would think that owning a home on the lake would entail looking at boats, wouldn't it? Perhaps a place in the mountains (of Idaho??) might suit that person better. The only boats that pain me are the ones that I am jealous of, like my neighbor's new Chris Craft Corsair!

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