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[dave603]

I was born and raised in Mass., have lived in N.H. for 35 years now, after spending time in NY, Conn., Texas, Colorado, and places outside the U.S. in the service and for jobs.
I moved here because it was what I wanted for me and the family, the way of life.
I resent those that do come here to "get away" from the way things were from where they were at, and then try to make it the same way as it was there.
So all and all, I can see and somewhat agree with what the plate says.

But I also see where the money to support the state infastructure has to come from to support it.
That says, although you may not like them, they are needed for us to be they way we are.

JUST DON'T LET THEM CHANGE ANYTHING!

[diz]

Originally Posted by dave603

I was born and raised in Mass., have lived in N.H. for 35 years now, after spending time in NY, Conn., Texas, Colorado, and places outside the U.S. in the service and for jobs.
I moved here because it was what I wanted for me and the family, the way of life.
I resent those that do come here to "get away" from the way things were from where they were at, and then try to make it the same way as it was there.
So all and all, I can see and somewhat agree with what the plate says.

But I also see where the money to support the state infastructure has to come from to support it.
That says, although you may not like them, they are needed for us to be they way we are.

JUST DON'T LET THEM CHANGE ANYTHING!

I'm in a similar situation to nj2nh. My family has split their time between Mass. and the Lakes Region for 30 years. My wife and I recently bought our own home in Laconia because we enjoy life here, NOT because we're looking to change things. It's disappointing to hear the opinion that all out-of-staters have an agenda. My wife and I like it up here and that's why we invested in a home here. It's that simple. We enjoy our new friends and neighbors. That's enough for us.

[WakeboardMom]

It's easy to say, "Don't change anything," but you do understand that the only constant in life is change...right...? And you do understand that the only way that NH can truly sustain itself is to finally, in some way, enact some type of broad-based tax...yes?

[Irish mist]

Originally Posted by WakeboardMom

It's easy to say, "Don't change anything," but you do understand that the only constant in life is change...right...? And you do understand that the only way that NH can truly sustain itself is to finally, in some way, enact some type of broad-based tax...yes?

NO. Every state that has added an income tax has never seen the total tax burden in the state go down.....ever ! The government will just spend more. God; do you people never learn ? I don't understand the attraction of changing NH to Massachusetts-north or Vermont-east ?

Mass just raised taxes another half a billion dollars. VT has sky-high taxes & yet both states often can't balance their budgets.....it's the same endless cycle. Until about 10 or 15 years ago most NH residents understood the value of a low-tax state.....theses day, I'm afraid, not so much.

NH has no death tax, no capital gains tax, no income tax, no general sales tax.....and we are supposed to give this up, for what.....to become another Massachusetts, another Vermont, or California with its tens of billions of dollars in debt & its 13.3% income tax ?

Sorry for the politics folks.....I understand the owner does not like it & I have cut way back over the years in posting political stuff, but man, sometimes

[HomeWood]

I'm a little worried about what NH might turn into by the time I'm ready to retire and move there.

[Diver Vince]

So glad to move from NJ (where I was born and raised) to NH. And rest assured I would not want to change a single thing about NH.

[IslandRadio]

First, up front: I live in Mass (rural) and am a conservative. Yes, my vote is usually just thrown away in that state, but I vote anyway.

NH seems to be slowly slipping to the left. This is probably not due so much to people relocating to the state from other areas, but more likely a function of the media propaganda machine which is just as strong here as anywhere else.

As an example, I have good friends who have lived here forever - classic, good basic folks - do everything yourself, hate taxes, strong property rights advocates, gun owners, etc.. and who clearly don't like what's going on in Mass (or many things that are going on in NH currently), who are from all appearances conservative, but who consistently vote for liberal candidates.

This has always surprised me until I happened to be at their place one day and they had the "news" on. What was the "news"? CNN!!! Need I say more?

Because of my involvement with radio, I am in contact with all sorts of people from all over the country. I've been labeled as a "Massachusetts liberal" (particularly from folks in the South and mid-West) many times just because I happen to be FROM Massachusetts. Most people are rather surprised to find out that I'm not of that ilk.

Anyway, just to make the final point - not everyone who relocates here wants to change the state to be what they left behind. Most folks probably want to come here because, like me, they LIKE what NH has been doing and want to be part of it.

[RailroadJoe]

Ever wonder why so many folks from CT, NJ, MA and other places seem to migrate here to NH? Could be a better place, maybe.

[pjard]

I have lived NH, DE, CT and MA over the last 50 years. We just moved back to NH a couple of months ago from CT. For anyone who thinks we need a broad based tax up here just take a look at CT. 20+ years ago they adopted a "temporary" income tax which is now at 6% and the state is TOTALLY dependent on it. By the way, CT still runs a defecit. The lack of a sales tax and income tax forces this state to be effecient. This is a VERY well run state and a great place to live. If you've been here a while you might not realize what we have. For anyone that moves here from out of state and wants a broad based tax that license plate is for you!

[IslandRadio]

Originally Posted by pjard

I have lived NH, DE, CT and MA over the last 50 years. We just moved back to NH a couple of months ago from CT. For anyone who thinks we need a broad based tax up here just take a look at CT. 20+ years ago they adopted a "temporary" income tax which is now at 6% and the state is TOTALLY dependent on it. By the way, CT still runs a defecit. The lack of a sales tax and income tax forces this state to be effecient. This is a VERY well run state and a great place to live. If you've been here a while you might not realize what we have. For anyone that moves here from out of state and wants a broad based tax that license plate is for you!

Connecticut is TOTALLY out of control tax wise, and otherwise as well in many areas. It used to be such a nice state. I lived there in the 1960s. It sure has changed a lot (for the worse) since then!

[Coolbreeze]

Is it really that offensive??
It should take a lot more than a plate with some words on it, that you can interpret either way, to bother us.
I find it amusing and enjoy the attitude. This is part of the experience of New England that I have grown to enjoy over the last 35 years.
Anybody remember Funny Farm with Chevy Chase? A true movie classic story of how New Englander natives don't like new comers; but eventually things work themselves out...totally classic. My favorite scene was the mailman and the boulder. so don't worry about the message, enjoy the spice of life it adds.

[Ropetow]

Originally Posted by WakeboardMom

It's easy to say, "Don't change anything," but you do understand that the only constant in life is change...right...? And you do understand that the only way that NH can truly sustain itself is to finally, in some way, enact some type of broad-based tax...yes?

Thankfully, the majority of our political and civic leaders, not to mention year-round residents do not agree with your line of thinking. That's the great thing about America...we have the freedom of movement. If one wants to live in a state with broad-based taxes, has streets paved with gold, free milk and honey for everyone, and no financial worries at all, then one can move there.

Proof that the majority of NH residents do not agree with you? Who was the last NH Governor to be elected without taking The Pledge?

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by Ropetow

Thankfully, the majority of our political and civic leaders, not to mention year-round residents do not agree with your line of thinking. That's the great thing about America...we have the freedom of movement. If one wants to live in a state with broad-based taxes, has streets paved with gold, free milk and honey for everyone, and no financial worries at all, then one can move there.

Proof that the majority of NH residents do not agree with you? Who was the last NH Governor to be elected without taking The Pledge?

Seems a lot of folks seem to prefer The Mass way of doing things , population over 6 million , 852 people per sq mile , population increase 1.6 % in last 2 years vs NH with only 1.3 million , a density of 147 per sq mile , 5 th lowest population increase in the country and an average age that is increasing dramatically. if you get away from the lake and see how the locals live in Laconia and Keene it's far from Heaven. It's amazing the number of folks that make their money in the south ,retire to NH and then complain about the place ( MA ) that made it possible for them to move to their idea of Heaven . however we are comparing apples and oranges

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

if you get away from the lake and see how the locals live in Laconia and Keene it's far from Heaven. It's amazing the number of folks that make their money in the south ,retire to NH and then complain about the place ( MA ) that made it possible for them to move to their idea of Heaven .

Good point. They seem to bite the nose of the horse that feeds them.

[MAXUM]

There is no state in the union that is immune from poverty and folks that are living in shall we say less that ideal conditions. MA is no different than NH, just get out of the eastern part of the state (Boston area) and you'll find plenty of that going on.

Fact is NH has always been a little oasis of sanity from a fiscal and political standpoint for a long time, but over the years with the influx of many from surrounding states, NOT JUST MA, that is beginning to change. For many of us natives, we're not so much adverse to change provided it is for the common good and is not going to fundamentally change the way of life we've grown accustomed to and like just he way it is. Some just happen to be more outspoken about it then others. Frankly I understand that much of the NH economy is based on tourists and non-resident land owners. I personally don't be-grudge any folks that want to come here and enjoy it here. However that said, obnoxious and rude tourists, sure go home, your money isn't worth the bad behavior you bring. I've met a good number of my neighbors on Bear Island, most hail from MA, CT, NY, NJ and beyond, and are some of the nicest folks I have ever met. Take that a step further, many on this very forum are not from NH, yet are awesome, friendly and helpful. So to paint a broad brush and tell everyone not from NH to go home is ignorant and dare I say shameful - at the same time there are the few that do deserve to hear not only that, but a don't come back either!

[Happy Gourmand]

Originally Posted by songkrai

Good point. They seem to bite the nose of the horse that feeds them.

Huh? Is this a Yogiism?

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Seems a lot of folks seem to prefer The Mass way of doing things , population over 6 million , 852 people per sq mile , population increase 1.6 % in last 2 years vs NH with only 1.3 million , a density of 147 per sq mile , 5 th lowest population increase in the country and an average age that is increasing dramatically. if you get away from the lake and see how the locals live in Laconia and Keene it's far from Heaven. It's amazing the number of folks that make their money in the south ,retire to NH and then complain about the place ( MA ) that made it possible for them to move to their idea of Heaven . however we are comparing apples and oranges

I don't believe there are any "sanctuary" cities in NH, which probably wholly accounts for the low population increase in NH and the high increase in Massachusetts.

On another note, gas prices increase tomorrow thanks to our liberal legislature and their tax increase, that should stimulate the economy more, the NH economy that is.....

[brk-lnt]

I went to order a custom plate today, but "GET LOST STUPID TOURIST" was too long to fit.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by ITD

On another note, gas prices increase tomorrow thanks to our liberal legislature and their tax increase, that should stimulate the economy more, the NH economy that is.....

Sure about that?

http://www.wmur.com/news/politics/nh...z/-/index.html

[ITD]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Sure about that?

http://www.wmur.com/news/politics/nh...z/-/index.html

I should have been more clear, Massachusetts is increasing its gas tax....

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by ITD

I should have been more clear, Massachusetts is increasing its gas tax....

Oh well in that case, I mean a tax increase in MA? Shocking! Not sure that is as much of a boon to the NH economy as you'd think. Sure some may travel over the border to save paying the increase but for most that's just not practical. Frankly I think MA should introduce a hybrid car tax instead of increasing the gas tax.

The real cash cow in NH is the liquor stores. I'm surprised they don't have one on the big lake complete with docks.

[tom-sr230]

I don't smoke but I think the tax on cigarettes went up a dollar today in mass.,
I know people who smoke and drive just over the border to buy them..
I fuel up each weekend in N.H.before I drive home because it is cheaper.
I also buy beer in N.H. if I need it while I am up here..

[ITD]

I'm headed back to Mass. today, just gassed up here, might be on fumes by the time I get back, but I think I'll risk it. BTW, the gas tax is a "progressive" tax that is linked to inflation, meaning it will perpetually increase and the cowards won't have to vote on it again.....

[RLW]

Originally Posted by dave603

I was born and raised in Mass., have lived in N.H. for 35 years now, after spending time in NY, Conn., Texas, Colorado, and places outside the U.S. in the service and for jobs.
I moved here because it was what I wanted for me and the family, the way of life

I resent those that do come here to "get away" from the way things were from where they were at, and then try to make it the same way as it was there.
So all and all, I can see and somewhat agree with what the plate says.

But I also see where the money to support the state infastructure has to come from to support it.
That says, although you may not like them, they are needed for us to be they way we are.

JUST DON'T LET THEM CHANGE ANYTHING!

. dave603, I just noticed that you are fairly new to posting on the forum and glad you have joined us. Have fun and enjoy the Winni Forum while making many new friends.

Thanks for your post.