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BroadHopper · 09-02-2013, 08:14 PM

Unfortunately only owners and managers are to take the course and be certified. Bartenders are only required to be 21.
The theory is that the owners/managers are required to train the bartenders and wait staff responsible serving but this is not enforced. The seasonal changeover of staff makes it harder to train.
In other states, owners, managers, bartenders are certified before serving alcohol. In some states bartenders are required to 'pour' liquor correctly before getting their certificates.
So there can be confusion as to 'how to read a valid id', in this state. I notice in some restaurants the waitstaff will call the owner or manager to a table to make sure id is proper. This is the first time I heard of a watstaff bringing the id to the bar. Sounds like id theft to me.
Believe or not in NH, one can be 80 years old, and without a valid id cannot be served alcohol. This has not really been enforced, yet I have seen liquor inspectors and 'anal' LEOs uses this as a ground to evict someone they may not like.

rrr · 09-03-2013, 08:42 AM

I agree with everyone that the bartender has to be responsible for who he serves. But - don't we all have the right to know who is looking at our IDs? Yes - it could have been the owner or an inspector... or it could have been a friend of the bartender's or another customer from New Jersey. I wouldn't want my personal information including my address passed around.

Woodsy · 09-03-2013, 09:20 AM

I think you guys need a little more info....

In NH.... the buck stops with the bartender. The end. If the bartender serves a drink to an underage person (regardless of fake id or not) the bartender WILL be arrested. Not the owner, not the waitress, not the bouncer at the door.... just the bartender. The owner/business will be subject to fines and/or loss of liquor license. The Liquor enforcement in the Weirs Beach area is Draconian! The Liquor Inspector for the area (his name is Kurt) is around constantly and they run stings all the time.

The NH Liquor Commission offers TEAM (Total Education in Alcohol Management) classes for businesses and their employees. Most of the businesses I know REQUIRE their alcohol servers to take this class. It addresses ID's & how to spot a fake, the security features required in an ID, over-serving etc... When you take this class, you are taught to be extremely careful with out of state ID's. Those are the ones that are mostly faked.

In the TEAM class you are taught not to look at the situation that ID is presented. For example, if you look at WinniLuvrs story, just because your daughter although legal, (barely at 24 and likely looks younger) was having dinner with her family presented a valid out of state ID... it is still up to the bartender to do due diligence. Its their *ss on the line. They don't know who your daughter is, and they are taught to be wary of out of state ID's. perhaps they looked up NJ ID's online to verify the security features...

Bottom line is, if you are younger and you want to consume alcohol, you can bet that your ID WILL BE SCRUTINIZED.... Its not ID theft, its not harmful to you in any way.

Woodsy

dpg · 09-05-2013, 07:13 AM

Winni Luvr - You mentioned (more than once) your daughter was there with her family and not a bunch of kids but that doesn't matter one bit. I do agree what they did seems wrong but they need to be careful and do the right thing. Doesn't matter if your daughter was there with her grandparents or a huge group of kids, the drinking age is what it is. I know what you mean by saying that I really do, but....................

09-02-2013, 08:14 PM	#1
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,615 Thanks: 3,245 Thanked 1,115 Times in 801 Posts	Responsible serving of alcohol certificate Unfortunately only owners and managers are to take the course and be certified. Bartenders are only required to be 21. The theory is that the owners/managers are required to train the bartenders and wait staff responsible serving but this is not enforced. The seasonal changeover of staff makes it harder to train. In other states, owners, managers, bartenders are certified before serving alcohol. In some states bartenders are required to 'pour' liquor correctly before getting their certificates. So there can be confusion as to 'how to read a valid id', in this state. I notice in some restaurants the waitstaff will call the owner or manager to a table to make sure id is proper. This is the first time I heard of a watstaff bringing the id to the bar. Sounds like id theft to me. Believe or not in NH, one can be 80 years old, and without a valid id cannot be served alcohol. This has not really been enforced, yet I have seen liquor inspectors and 'anal' LEOs uses this as a ground to evict someone they may not like. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

09-03-2013, 08:42 AM	#2
rrr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Winter Harbor Posts: 214 Thanks: 75 Thanked 37 Times in 14 Posts	responsibility I agree with everyone that the bartender has to be responsible for who he serves. But - don't we all have the right to know who is looking at our IDs? Yes - it could have been the owner or an inspector... or it could have been a friend of the bartender's or another customer from New Jersey. I wouldn't want my personal information including my address passed around.

09-03-2013, 09:20 AM	#3
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,968 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	I think you guys need a little more info.... In NH.... the buck stops with the bartender. The end. If the bartender serves a drink to an underage person (regardless of fake id or not) the bartender WILL be arrested. Not the owner, not the waitress, not the bouncer at the door.... just the bartender. The owner/business will be subject to fines and/or loss of liquor license. The Liquor enforcement in the Weirs Beach area is Draconian! The Liquor Inspector for the area (his name is Kurt) is around constantly and they run stings all the time. The NH Liquor Commission offers TEAM (Total Education in Alcohol Management) classes for businesses and their employees. Most of the businesses I know REQUIRE their alcohol servers to take this class. It addresses ID's & how to spot a fake, the security features required in an ID, over-serving etc... When you take this class, you are taught to be extremely careful with out of state ID's. Those are the ones that are mostly faked. In the TEAM class you are taught not to look at the situation that ID is presented. For example, if you look at WinniLuvrs story, just because your daughter although legal, (barely at 24 and likely looks younger) was having dinner with her family presented a valid out of state ID... it is still up to the bartender to do due diligence. Its their ss on the line. They don't know who your daughter is, and they are taught to be wary of out of state ID's. perhaps they looked up NJ ID's online to verify the security features... Bottom line is, if you are younger and you want to consume alcohol, you can bet that your ID WILL BE SCRUTINIZED.... Its not ID theft, its not harmful to you in any way. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.*

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09-05-2013, 07:13 AM	#4
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 157 Thanked 235 Times in 172 Posts	Winni Luvr - You mentioned (more than once) your daughter was there with her family and not a bunch of kids but that doesn't matter one bit. I do agree what they did seems wrong but they need to be careful and do the right thing. Doesn't matter if your daughter was there with her grandparents or a huge group of kids, the drinking age is what it is. I know what you mean by saying that I really do, but....................