Ice Thickness Safety

SIKSUKR · 12-18-2013, 01:01 PM

That is a frightening video with so many things wrong going on. Did everybody make it out alive?

pcmc · 12-18-2013, 05:44 PM

Wow, Wow, Wow!!!
This is incredible information for anybody, around a lake or not!

This information, from post #1 on, should be gathered and posted in every news paper, reported on every television station, printed on restaurant place mats, grocery bags, cereal boxes, ...everywhere! This info is much to important to be hidden in a thread.

A huge thankyou to everyone!

NoBozo · 12-19-2013, 07:35 PM

I started walking and Sailing (Iceboats) the lake in 1969. In those days, we MADE our own ICE SPIKES ...spikes are absolutely required. (Now you can buy them. See post #9.)

"Creeper's" are also required equipment. They are rubber things with spikes on them that you strap on your shoes/boots that allow you to walk on the ice without "Slipping".

If you need to pull someone out of the water and you are on ice........you will have NO TRACTION on the ice without "Creepers".

Whatever ice activity you are engaged in..Have "Ice Spikes" AND "Creepers" on your person.

The Ice Spikes have a String connected between the two...which you will wear around your neck...outside your gear.. so they are readily available.

AN ADD ON: NEVER NEVER go out on the ice ALONE...STUPID...Just Sayin..

I HAVE been Swimming... in the ice.. so I know how it is.

NB

Chaselady · 12-20-2013, 08:01 AM

Snowmobiles have already been out on 19 Mile Bay!

salty dog · 12-20-2013, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBozo

I started walking and Sailing (Iceboats) the lake in 1969. In those days, we MADE our own ICE SPIKES ...spikes are absolutely required. (Now you can buy them. See post #9.)

"Creeper's" are also required equipment. They are rubber things with spikes on them that you strap on your shoes/boots that allow you to walk on the ice without "Slipping".

If you need to pull someone out of the water and you are on ice........you will have NO TRACTION on the ice without "Creepers".

Whatever ice activity you are engaged in..Have "Ice Spikes" AND "Creepers" on your person.

The Ice Spikes have a String connected between the two...which you will wear around your neck...outside your gear.. so they are readily available.

AN ADD ON: NEVER NEVER go out on the ice ALONE...STUPID...Just Sayin..

I HAVE been Swimming... in the ice.. so I know how it is.

NB

As a kid, I fell through on a local pond while skating. Thank God it was only up to my waist but it is SCARY and the cold almost paralyzes you. It's incredibly hard to climb out; to get the traction. All it takes is a thin patch or a hole and you can be gone. I wear Stablicers now when I walk Sadie in slippery conditions. If I were walking out on the lake I'd certainly use those plus I'd get set of the Ice spikes.

NoBozo · 12-20-2013, 07:49 PM

I was sailing on Norton Reservoir (MA). The ice was about 2.5..3.0 inches of black ice. However, the Resevoir was known for having "springs"...and it was shallow. There had been holes that had re-frozen overnight...to LESS than 2.5 inches...and then a dusting of snow. Voila.

I was sailing a DN Iceboat. The wind was light....the ambient temp was maybe 40. I sailed over that spot and Slow Landed in the Skimmed over..and snow dusted over refrozen hole.

I was wearing a snowmobile suit. Upon entry into the water...There was the expected "Shrinkage"..

but then it wasn't so bad. The boat went into the hole and tipped over..with the 16 foot long mast laying over to one side..onto good ice. I was able to walk over the sail up onto the ice and escape.

After I walked out, my friends and I had to figure out how to get the boat out of the water. Decision: I would Go Back in the water and "pull the pins" to release the rigging so the boat could be slid out. It worked.

BTW: The snowmobile suit worked a little like a wetsuit...once the water entered the suit, my body warmed up the water enough to prevent total shock. Just rememberin....

NB

PaugusBayFireFighter · 12-21-2013, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBozo

BTW: The snowmobile suit worked a little like a wetsuit...once the water entered the suit, my body warmed up the water enough to prevent total shock. Just rememberin....

NB

Are you sure it was lake water warming your suit?

NoBozo · 12-21-2013, 08:14 PM

Hi PBFF. I'm old enough to recognize your Avatar. Heil Hitl..Smack.. Smack. Can't remember the name of the guy who rode The Bomb down out of that B-52. Great stuff.

Much Sadness...Not Lake related.

NB

PaugusBayFireFighter · 12-21-2013, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBozo

Hi PBFF. I'm old enough to recognize your Avatar. Heil Hitl..Smack.. Smack. Can't remember the name of the guy who rode The Bomb down out of that B-52. Great stuff.

Much Sadness...Not Lake related.

NB

Aircraft commander Major T. J. "King" Kong rode the bomb

SunsetPointWentworth · 12-22-2013, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

That is a frightening video with so many things wrong going on. Did everybody make it out alive?

This is a report from cnn. They report no serious injuries and that it took 9 minutes to get everyone out of the water.

SunsetPointWentworth · 01-03-2014, 09:37 PM

Some guys on the Big Lake use ice picks. Looks cold to me.

12-20-2013, 07:49 PM	#6
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	My Experience..in the water I was sailing on Norton Reservoir (MA). The ice was about 2.5..3.0 inches of black ice. However, the Resevoir was known for having "springs"...and it was shallow. There had been holes that had re-frozen overnight...to LESS than 2.5 inches...and then a dusting of snow. Voila. I was sailing a DN Iceboat. The wind was light....the ambient temp was maybe 40. I sailed over that spot and Slow Landed in the Skimmed over..and snow dusted over refrozen hole. I was wearing a snowmobile suit. Upon entry into the water...There was the expected "Shrinkage".. but then it wasn't so bad. The boat went into the hole and tipped over..with the 16 foot long mast laying over to one side..onto good ice. I was able to walk over the sail up onto the ice and escape. After I walked out, my friends and I had to figure out how to get the boat out of the water. Decision: I would Go Back in the water and "pull the pins" to release the rigging so the boat could be slid out. It worked. BTW: The snowmobile suit worked a little like a wetsuit...once the water entered the suit, my body warmed up the water enough to prevent total shock. Just rememberin.... NB

01-03-2014, 09:37 PM	#11
SunsetPointWentworth Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: claremont/wolfeboro Posts: 155 Thanks: 114 Thanked 51 Times in 26 Posts	Ice picks work Some guys on the Big Lake use ice picks. Looks cold to me.

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12-18-2013, 01:01 PM	#1
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	That is a frightening video with so many things wrong going on. Did everybody make it out alive? __________________ SIKSUKR

12-18-2013, 05:44 PM	#2
pcmc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 412 Thanks: 211 Thanked 106 Times in 73 Posts	Wow, Wow, Wow!!! This is incredible information for anybody, around a lake or not! This information, from post #1 on, should be gathered and posted in every news paper, reported on every television station, printed on restaurant place mats, grocery bags, cereal boxes, ...everywhere! This info is much to important to be hidden in a thread. A huge thankyou to everyone!

12-19-2013, 07:35 PM	#3
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	I started walking and Sailing (Iceboats) the lake in 1969. In those days, we MADE our own ICE SPIKES ...spikes are absolutely required. (Now you can buy them. See post #9.) "Creeper's" are also required equipment. They are rubber things with spikes on them that you strap on your shoes/boots that allow you to walk on the ice without "Slipping". If you need to pull someone out of the water and you are on ice........you will have NO TRACTION on the ice without "Creepers". Whatever ice activity you are engaged in..Have "Ice Spikes" AND "Creepers" on your person. The Ice Spikes have a String connected between the two...which you will wear around your neck...outside your gear.. so they are readily available. AN ADD ON: NEVER NEVER go out on the ice ALONE...STUPID...Just Sayin.. I HAVE been Swimming... in the ice.. so I know how it is. NB

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12-20-2013, 08:01 AM	#4
Chaselady Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Melvin Village Posts: 309 Thanks: 150 Thanked 105 Times in 73 Posts	Snowmobiles have already been out on 19 Mile Bay!

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12-21-2013, 08:14 PM	#8
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Hi PBFF. I'm old enough to recognize your Avatar. Heil Hitl..Smack.. Smack. Can't remember the name of the guy who rode The Bomb down out of that B-52. Great stuff. Much Sadness...Not Lake related. NB

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