Overnight?

[Webbsatwinni]

[QUOTE=ApS;217938]Really?

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Whatever gave you the impression that there is no longer an excessive exhaust noise ordnance?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

My Lyin' Eyes?


http://tinyurl.com/lc8b6f3

I'm loathe to hot link,,,,,Hypocritical.

[Webbsatwinni]

[QUOTE=Webbsatwinni;217940]

Originally Posted by ApS

Really?



I'm loathe to hit link,,,,,Hypocritical.

And again Chipmunk, news hawk, aps, etc. great vid!!

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

[QUOTE=Webbsatwinni;217941]

Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

And again Chipmunk, news hawk, aps, etc. great vid!!

I didn't hear or see anything crazy in that video. When I read the video title I expected to see a bunch of boats terrorizing the lake but all I saw was a few boats opened up on a calm rainy day with the lake to themselves. I don't get it. I did like the low hum of the engines as it brought me back to the sounds of summer. The boats opening up into Paugus after leaving the canal are MUCH louder than that. I welcome those sounds as they are very infrequent and part of living water front on a big lake.
Boy would I love to hear some boats right about now!

[Webbsatwinni]

[QUOTE=PaugusBayFireFighter;217973]

Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

I didn't hear or see anything crazy in that video. When I read the video title I expected to see a bunch of boats terrorizing the lake but all I saw was a few boats opened up on a calm rainy day with the lake to themselves. I don't get it. I did like the low hum of the engines as it brought me back to the sounds of summer. The boats opening up into Paugus after leaving the canal are MUCH louder than that. I welcome those sounds as they are very infrequent and part of living water front on a big lake.
Boy would I love to hear some boats right about now!

I think you see the point, this video was posted on youtube by Wolfeboronian (Shhh we know who that really is ). The boats do not appear to be too close, and the sound isn't loud, but these people are called scofflaws by Wolfeboronian.

scoff·law
ˈskôfˌlô,ˈskäf-/
noun
informal
plural noun: scofflaws

1.
a person who flouts the law, esp. by failing to comply with a law that is difficult to enforce effectively.

I didn't see laws being broken in the video.

[Misty Blue]

I have always wondered why the various towns do not make overnight dock space available for a fee. Example:

You go to Canter Harbor and tie up for the night. You go to an "authorized agent" who accepts the fee and takes their share for the labor. They hand out a paper with the rules such as noise, hours that you can stay, etc.

The boater will pay the fee which could be used for dock maintenance, buy groceries in town and go the the local eating establishment and SPEND MONEY locally.

The local cops can keep an eye on the crowd and, if they want to have a couple of grogs in the evening they can do so without getting underway.

Just my $.02.

Misty Blue

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

I have always wondered why the various towns do not make overnight dock space available for a fee. Example:

You go to Canter Harbor and tie up for the night. You go to an "authorized agent" who accepts the fee and takes their share for the labor. They hand out a paper with the rules such as noise, hours that you can stay, etc.

The boater will pay the fee which could be used for dock maintenance, buy groceries in town and go the the local eating establishment and SPEND MONEY locally.

The local cops can keep an eye on the crowd and, if they want to have a couple of grogs in the evening they can do so without getting underway.

Just my $.02.

Misty Blue

MB, your 2 cents makes too much sense!!

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

I have always wondered why the various towns do not make overnight dock space available for a fee. Example:

You go to Canter Harbor and tie up for the night. You go to an "authorized agent" who accepts the fee and takes their share for the labor. They hand out a paper with the rules such as noise, hours that you can stay, etc.

The boater will pay the fee which could be used for dock maintenance, buy groceries in town and go the the local eating establishment and SPEND MONEY locally.

The local cops can keep an eye on the crowd and, if they want to have a couple of grogs in the evening they can do so without getting underway.

Just my $.02.

Misty Blue

My guess: water quality. The state is worried about people discharging stuff overnight or living aboard transient boats. Personally, I'm not a fan of overnighting via boat on the lake.

[tis]

I am not a fan of overnight boating either. People deposit too many things in the lake during the day, think what they would do overnight.

[garysanfran]

Especially at night.

Nothing like a bunch of drunk partiers, with a big sound system to help change the serenity of the Lake and its character forever! Maybe those who want to ruin the quiet for others should explore Lake George?

And are the drunks going to want to bother emptying their holding tanks next day with a hangover? Should they be allowed to "anchor-out" all summer? Should puking over the rail be allowed?

[BostonWhaler]

It may not have been legal, but I've "camped" quite a few places on Winni...

Anchored off of Black Is. in Melvin Bay way behind the black spars, and camped on the island twice (in the fall, with permission from Winaukee).

Camped on Store Is. multiple times as a kid. Anchored slightly off the north side of the island.

Got stuck in a thunderstorm at 1AM en route from Toltec Pt. to Wolfeboro, and took shelter next to the church in Melvin. Slept under a cockpit cover in a 19' Mirage (fun times ).

Camped in the boat while anchored just off the Trubee property just outside The Basin's tunnel once. Chef'd up steak tips and corn on the cob off the back of the boat.

Rule is... Be reasonably quiet, pick up after yourself (and leave any space you use better than you found it, and if you're on land, NO CAMPFIRES! Common sense, really.

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by BostonWhaler

It may not have been legal, but I've "camped" quite a few places on Winni...

Anchored off of Black Is. in Melvin Bay way behind the black spars, and camped on the island twice (in the fall, with permission from Winaukee).

Camped on Store Is. multiple times as a kid. Anchored slightly off the north side of the island.

Got stuck in a thunderstorm at 1AM en route from Toltec Pt. to Wolfeboro, and took shelter next to the church in Melvin. Slept under a cockpit cover in a 19' Mirage (fun times ).

Camped in the boat while anchored just off the Trubee property just outside The Basin's tunnel once. Chef'd up steak tips and corn on the cob off the back of the boat.

Rule is... Be reasonably quiet, pick up after yourself (and leave any space you use better than you found it, and if you're on land, NO CAMPFIRES! Common sense, really.

Love anarchy for all it's charm. I met a guy with a dog in SF that always allowed his dog to sh*t on the sidewalk even though there's a pooper-scooper law here. His reply? "The law doesn't apply to me". He ended up being on the wrong side of that opinion!

[BostonWhaler]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Love anarchy for all it's charm. I met a guy with a dog in SF that always allowed his dog to sh*t on the sidewalk even though there's a pooper-scooper law here. His reply? "The law doesn't apply to me". He ended up being on the wrong side of that opinion!

Guessing that's a bit of unneeded sarcasm and you didn't take the time to read my post... Heck, my first post on this forum was about how to clean up a popular campsite in the lakes region. :/

Idea is... If you want to camp out on your boat, keep it LOW KEY. If you pick a spot where you won't bother others, clean up after yourself, keep it to a dull roar (I've been invited to island homes to keep the party going, but otherwise... Shhhh.).

In general, if you're RESPECTFUL, nobody will bother you. That said, things might be different on the south side of the lake.

[jrc]

Anarchy? Ok, I guess overnight anchoring and dog poop are the hallmarks of the fall of western civilization Newsflash, people break laws, especially annoying laws with relatively minor fines. Ever been on a highway?

It's clearly illegal but I'm sure people take a chance.

At our old marina, one night a couple of boats didn't come back. They were very nervous and hush, hush about it but finally admitted they were stuck after dark in place they didn't know well and decided to stay out. They were afraid they were going to get a ticket even the next day.

One day we anchored late morning near Stonedam and a little boat was anchored at the dock. A skinny older man swam over to our boat and told us great stories about his life and how he spent the last few days moving from island to island. He was a retired teacher and still upset about birth control pills ruining the need for teachers.

Turn on a VHF during a fishing derby, all those fishing boats don't make it back every night.

I never tried it, dealing with the Marine Patrol at 2AM is just not worth the novelty.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jrc

He was a retired teacher and still upset about birth control pills ruining the need for teachers.

Really?

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by jrc

Anarchy? Ok, I guess overnight anchoring and dog poop are the hallmarks of the fall of western civilization Newsflash, people break laws, especially annoying laws with relatively minor fines. Ever been on a highway?

It's clearly illegal but I'm sure people take a chance.

At our old marina, one night a couple of boats didn't come back. They were very nervous and hush, hush about it but finally admitted they were stuck after dark in place they didn't know well and decided to stay out. They were afraid they were going to get a ticket even the next day.

One day we anchored late morning near Stonedam and a little boat was anchored at the dock. A skinny older man swam over to our boat and told us great stories about his life and how he spent the last few days moving from island to island. He was a retired teacher and still upset about birth control pills ruining the need for teachers.

Turn on a VHF during a fishing derby, all those fishing boats don't make it back every night.

I never tried it, dealing with the Marine Patrol at 2AM is just not worth the novelty.

Inconsiderate people, I guess like you, ruined Stonedam Island for the Rice family. So you want to encourage more? There are all kinds of people in the world. One chooses how to conduct themselves with many decisions, every day. Some think of others...and some don't!

The Marine Patrol doesn't answer at 2 am. They're sleeping, not working.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Inconsiderate people, I guess like you, ruined Stonedam Island for the Rice family. So you want to encourage more? There are all kinds of people in the world. One chooses how to conduct themselves with many decisions, every day. Some think of others...and some don't!

The Marine Patrol doesn't answer at 2 am. They're sleeping, not working.

I saw nothing in JRC's post that even came close to saying that they moored overnight, late morning; yes. How is that inconsiderate?

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I saw nothing in JRC's post that even came close to saying that they moored overnight, late morning; yes. How is that inconsiderate?

Read the title to my post. Your answer is (and was) there.

[jrc]

Just to be clear, I have never moored overnight, except at my slip. I never encouraged someone to moor overnight illegally.

BTW my teacher encounter was at the LRCT dock on Stonedam, a long way from the Rice's place.

I'm not sure how I got garysanfan so miffed, I guess my humor didn't come across well. You're not related to my new no rafting zone pen pal from the bay area are you?

[Rich]

Why is it that people think that anchoring overnight on Winnipesaukee is more dangerous than anchoring overnight on any other of the thousands of busy lakes and salt water bays and coves around the country and the world?

I just don't buy it.

If a boat has the proper on board equipment to support an overnight stay (i.e.: anchor light, portable or built in head, etc.) and the occupants are not having an all night party to disturb others that are nearby, then there should be no reason why anchoring overnight on Winnipesaukee is any different than any other busy lake or body of water in the world.

If people are making too much noise, then go after them for disturbing the peace or other noise control laws, don't try to claim that this particular lake is unique in that it's too dangerous at night. There are plenty of other lakes that have many islands and are busy with boat traffic.

Yes I know, this has been discussed at length, but it still doesn't make it right.

Sorry, I get tired of too many laws and especially those that make little common sense.

By the way, not that he needs it, but I'll vouch for JRC. He's tucked into his berth every night at his slip.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Especially at night.

Nothing like a bunch of drunk partiers, with a big sound system to help change the serenity of the Lake and its character forever! Maybe those who want to ruin the quiet for others should explore Lake George?

And are the drunks going to want to bother emptying their holding tanks next day with a hangover? Should they be allowed to "anchor-out" all summer? Should puking over the rail be allowed?

I have spent the night on the hook on Lake George. It was wonderfully peaceful and quiet even though there were quite a few boats in the cove anchorage I choose. I've done the same a few times on Sebago, and the CT River, also with no noise issues at all.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

I have spent the night on the hook on Lake George. It was wonderfully peaceful and quiet even though there were quite a few boats in the cove anchorage I choose. I've done the same a few times on Sebago, and the CT River, also with no noise issues at all.

⚫ Lake Winnipesaukee can be "wonderfully peaceful and quiet"; however, boats anchored overnight face the prospect of other boats wending their way amongst her 258 islands in the darkness.

⚫ In the dark, entire islands have been struck—off the top of my head—to include Rattlesnake Island (multiple times), Parker Island, Camp Island, Diamond Island, and Eagle Island.

(Although—technically—the collision with Camp Island can't be counted as "anchored-overnight")

⚫ Any anchored boat would place its occupants in far greater peril than any island-dweller from such misadventures.

_______________________________


⚫ Hopefully, everyone looked closely at the fire hydrant, the illegally parked BMW, fire hoses, and got a chuckle! (Schadenfreude—anyone?)

Follow the arrow...

[Lakesrider]

Well I can think of one time where someone should have stayed tied up and slept on their boat. Another person would still be alive.....

[dave603]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

I have always wondered why the various towns do not make overnight dock space available for a fee. Example:

You go to Canter Harbor and tie up for the night. You go to an "authorized agent" who accepts the fee and takes their share for the labor. They hand out a paper with the rules such as noise, hours that you can stay, etc.

The boater will pay the fee which could be used for dock maintenance, buy groceries in town and go the the local eating establishment and SPEND MONEY locally.

The local cops can keep an eye on the crowd and, if they want to have a couple of grogs in the evening they can do so without getting underway.

Just my $.02.



Misty Blue

Towing my boat a lot I'm familiar with this:
That is what happens all along the coast, including inland river ways.
Lot's of marinas and even towns have a few open dock spaces that allow you to tie up to for a fee, even overnight most places. The ones I am familiar with are pretty tightly controlled for noise and dumping.

[jrc]

Hey Garysanfran, I guess the happy face wasn't enough I'm absolutely sure I never caused any problems for the Rice family.

I'm not encouraging anything, just relating my experiences and ribbing you a little for calling, what amounts to illegal parking, anarchy.

[ApS]

Yes, it's water quality. Any "camp" with a pipe in the water will tell you—especially islanders with a pipe for water.

Originally Posted by jrc

Hey Garysanfran, I guess the happy face wasn't enough I'm absolutely sure I never caused any problems for the Rice family.

I'm not encouraging anything, just relating my experiences and ribbing you a little for calling, what amounts to illegal parking, anarchy.

Some illegal parkers get their "comeuppance", but Winnipesaukee's overnighters seldom do.

[BostonWhaler]

A lot of animosity in this thread.

Me and my friends had a lot of life-enriching moments camping about Winni when we were kids, and never pissed anyone off. I only make it back up a couple times a season now, but it's definitely a show of how things have changed.

Where would a kid go nowadays to do such a thing? Is it better that they now have DSL to the islands so they can play Call of Duty on Xbox all day?

[dickiej]

On the coast, we call this "gunkholing".......finding a protected, quiet cove to throw the anchor over and spend the night. A lot easier on the ocean than a lake. I guess you have to look at this issue from both sides......if I owned a home on the lake, how would I feel about a boat or several boats anchoring right off my property? I guess it depends on how they behave......if they are loud, you know how sound travels on the water.......but if they're quiet, what harm, really? On the other hand, do you really want to open this door? Next thing, you've got hundreds of boats being trailered up to the lake for the weekend just adding to what many already consider an overcrowded situation......

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by dickiej

On the coast, we call this "gunkholing".......finding a protected, quiet cove to throw the anchor over and spend the night. A lot easier on the ocean than a lake. I guess you have to look at this issue from both sides......if I owned a home on the lake, how would I feel about a boat or several boats anchoring right off my property? I guess it depends on how they behave......if they are loud, you know how sound travels on the water.......but if they're quiet, what harm, really? On the other hand, do you really want to open this door? Next thing, you've got hundreds of boats being trailered up to the lake for the weekend just adding to what many already consider an overcrowded situation......

But those weekenders have the same right to enjoy the lake as the home owners.

[ishoot308]

The problem is some people are pigs and don't care!...not all... but those that are, ruin it for everyone and are the reason for some of the laws we have on the lake.

The people who litter and discharge their waste into the lakes and don't know when to keep the noise down, are the ones why the overnight law is in place. It's really that simple...

In my heart I believe over-nighting should be allowed on the lake...but the realist in me knows what the outcome would be...

Dan

[sum-r breeze]

[QUOTE=PaugusBayFireFighter;217973]

Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

I didn't hear or see anything crazy in that video. When I read the video title I expected to see a bunch of boats terrorizing the lake but all I saw was a few boats opened up on a calm rainy day with the lake to themselves. I don't get it. I did like the low hum of the engines as it brought me back to the sounds of summer. The boats opening up into Paugus after leaving the canal are MUCH louder than that. I welcome those sounds as they are very infrequent and part of living water front on a big lake.
Boy would I love to hear some boats right about now!

We had a 28' Powerquest before the "Breeze" with a 502 Mag in it and Corsa muffled thru hull exhaust. I loved the sound of that big block chevy....but...I always thought the old law was a little stupid. I wanted to put "captain's call"(a feature that would send the exhaust noise through the prop and under water)
in the boat but was told it was illegal to have ANY type of switchable exhaust. We would come idling into the marina after 11:00pm and wake up the whole dock. I would have LOVED to come in quiet and un announced. We knew people who were out on the water over night and had their boat tucked into a cove to avoid detection from MP. We were never so daring.


The Breeze
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