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Again, i think most of you have missed the point. Perhaps, poorly worded, but i was merely try to correct the misuse of the term "Executive Chef".
In no way is this an attack on a competitor, their product or skill set.. as i stated earlier, best of luck an hope they have a productive run... Fact is, what the Lakes Region needs is competition and friendly rivalries in the food industry. From what i have read over the last few months is that as a whole, the last several years in this area, the restaurants in the Lakes region have become complacent.... perhaps they should step up their game a bit. Competition = Creativity!!! |
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I am a Certified Executive Chef. I attended the Academy of Culinary Arts, which at the time was the #2 in the US. I have degrees in Culinary Arts and Business Management....
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The American Culinary federation is 501c corporation that offers CEC as well as Certified Master Chef certification through testing. Many industries have multiple organizations that set themselves up as the go to source for job advancement through testing. Personally, one of my favorites Jacques Pepin was not CEC or CMC certified, but he was personal chef to Charles de Gaulle; which in my book is good enough for me.
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For my wife and I, we enjoy trying new places. I've been to several 5 diamond places, and a ton of ghetto joints that would scare many people away. Much of it is "setting expectations". If a restaurant is billing themselves as having an "Executive Chef", I'm going to set my minimal expectations higher than maybe some place that doesn't call attention to the kitchen staff, or lists "Head Cook", or "Head Chef", etc. I understand the perspective of titles being earned, but from the angle of the guy eating there, it's all about the food. If a 10 year old prodigy can hook up some foie gras and sweet breads like nobodies business, then I'm not going to question them being presented to the diners as an "Executive Chef" on the restaurant menu or whatever (yes, they might not have the business sense of a "true" exec chef, but as the diner, I don't care about that). So, if someone wants to call themselves the executive chef they are, IMO, setting a higher level of customer expectation. If they can deliver on that expectation, then I have no issues. But, if they're still perfecting their craft, it might be wise to tone down the titles and leave a little more margin for error in a sense.
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So, how did i demean anyone? Again, i never critiqued any products, skills, service etc. I was merely trying to correct a misuse of "Executive Chef".
How am i harming the rep of other businesses? I didn't serve their customer. I didnt ignore their customer. That was, that establishments problem. If their patron chose to leave and come here, post a negative review about another establishment, and say they came here a received better, how am i in the wrong? |
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"the "Chef" is a recent culinary grad... he is nowhere near Executive Chef status or level... " " ive earned the right to be called Executive Chef, the newbie is a Chef Di Partie with a bit of education." If you had good intentions, you would have simply started an informational post describing the various titles of a culinary team. Do you personally KNOW the qualifications and experience of Mr. McGuff? Did you need to use him as an example to make your point? As far as harming the reputation of competitors is concerned, how would you feel if the owners of each restaurant in the area thanked a poster with negative comments on your restaurant? It's petty and unprofessional. Quit while you are ahead. A simple apology and a claim of responsibility for your lack of judgement or good intentions would have taken you far. |
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Here is the link to verify certified executive chef status, which is challenging to obtain. Mr. Weiss claims status as a certified executive chef, yet he is not on the ACF's list. Dinner at Lavinia's, anyone?
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So ... what makes him an "executive chef? I don't know him, he may be a good cook, even a passable chef, but I have to assume Eric Weiss knew what he was saying when he claimed McGuff was a "recent culinary grad," and even I, Clueless in the Kitchen, realize it takes years of experience to earn the title "executive chef." Otherwise: "It don't mean nothin.'" OK,time to don my "Executive Sanitation Engineer" cap: time to take out the trash. |
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Thank-You Alton Lady. He is an executive chef according to this article. phew I am glad the mystery is solved!
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A bigger concern for me would be where did the liquor come from that the new owners of Lavinia's sold just before closing for 2 weeks. It is against the law to transfer liquor when selling a restaurant. |
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Once again, people seem to have this religious fervor about restaurants in the area. The guy had only a couple of posts here when he wrote that post, he has 8 as of the time I'm writing this. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt and assume maybe he hasn't quite figured out the "vibe" here yet and might have been able to phrase his thoughts a little better. Unless, of course, you've managed to go your whole life without ever making any pompous statements or saying things you might have later regretted or wished you had worded differently?
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The point to be taken from the article is that Mr. McGuff has experience in restaurants from California to Connecticut. Mr Weiss claims that Mr McGuff just graduated from culinary school and lacks experience.
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If you look at the Facebook page from where he got his culinary degree, they have an album for a December 2012 class, and an album for an August 2013 class. If he was in fact in the August 2013 class that would be VERY recent. "Experience from California to Connecticut" is pretty vague, you have to admit. Was he a busboy? A pantry chef? An expediter? Doesn't really say... You, and others, seem to want to take what was apparently an accurate, if not less-than-optimally-worded post and interpret it as an attack. I didn't see it that way. My guess is Mr. Weiss is probably a pretty solid chef. I wouldn't hire him for $1 to run a PR campaign, but I'm guessing he doesn't want that job anyway ![]()
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Pop his name in Google, first match is Facebook account. Under Education is the culinary school link, click that, look at their info and albums. 2 "graduate albums". Couple of other generic searches, and you have basic data. If other people did any amount of digging or fact checking before spouting off this thread would probably be a lot shorter.
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Regardless, I wish the lad well. Hope it is a success. I hope now we can get back to food discussions, and realize that perhaps the chef-owner of the Woodland Tavern will get back to cooking, and leave the tartness out of his food...and his posts.
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A followup post from another person seemed to be trying to make the point that since the highly esteemed local paper (OK, I'm being snarky ![]() You can debate the tactfulness of that original post, but I still don't think it contained any inaccurate or misleading info.
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I liked Lavinias, but I think it's questionable to have a 'Drink the Bar Dry' promotion, as you link to in your article, as that sends the wrong message - come drink all the booze you can as we are doing renovations (booze doesn't have a shelf life in their location for some reason?). I'll join the club that Eric was a tad bit uncouth with his original post, but I don't doubt his intent - I liken it to somthing like a master plumber - just because you graduated from a trade school does not make you an expert, you have to earn that. Eric obviously feels strongly enough about his qualifications that he seeked to educate us (albeit in a quasi-questionable fashion), but the intent of being educational is obvious to me. I loved the William Tell Inn, and I loved the old Lavinias, I hope the new Lavinias has a great run as well. Went to Woodlands once for dinner and once for apps and drinks, and walked away happy both times. Not overly wowed, but happy that a place like that is half a mile from me and gives me an Ellacoya alternative - it's different and a solid value that is also right next door. Let this thread die already.....the guy didn't have ill intentions, take him at his word and move on. |
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Figured I would chime in here, being the chef with the burning ears. I’d love to introduce myself to the Winnipesaukee community — I hope to serve you for a long time! My name is Brendan McGuff and I am executive chef/partner in Lavinia’s. I’ve read all the comments about my title as executive chef. Titles have never really meant much to me. Here, I simply want diners to walk away with an entertained palate, having just enjoyed our impeccable and approachable dining experience. I invite you to stop in (we reopen on Saturday) and check out the fresh and local flavors of our enhanced menu. Feel free to tell me about your experiences here, and always be sure to say hello!
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Humm.. tempest in a Stock Pot!
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We appreciate your comment very much. We plan on being a part of the Lakes Region dining community for a long time to come and cannot wait to meet you and everyone else who loves this area as much as we have come to.
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Let your mouth buds be the judge. To each his or her own.
I will try Lavinia when I am in your 'neck o' the woods'. Whatever his chef title is, if the food is good, its OK by me.
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The prices seem a bit high,but so are the food prices at the supermarket. I bought ground beef on Friday at Heath's ( their meat is wonderful ) in a Center Harbor. Prices were- 85% lean $4.99/lb. and 90% lean $5.99/lb. I am glad their meat sale is Wednesday. I can see why restaurants have to charge prices that are a bit high.
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would agree . to survive the non nine months that tourist are around a restaurant needs a draw. A good bar scene , good food at reasonable prices, something unique like woodshed was. I hope it works out but yes to me seems high .
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It is awesome that Lavinia's Chef has joined into the discussion. Otherwise, all our criticism and praise would be just another semi-useful way for people to vent and for some to decide whether or not they want to eat there. Now that the chef has bravely entered in, we can go somewhere.
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![]() The menu seems a bit limited (perhaps to maintain quality) and it does not have what I would call "signature items". Pulled pork sandwiches, burgers and fish & chips are lower fare dining and readily available in the area. Yet, they comprise a high percentage of the menu offerings. So, the question is where in the overall ecosystem does Lavinia's want to fit? Personally, I think that there is a dearth of high end options in the lakes region. I am sure that the members of this forum will be happy to give you their feedback. Perhaps, you might solicit suggestions for dishes as a way to test the market. I would suggest that you add a baked brie starter to the menu...that is always hard to find in the lakes region. ...and don't get me started on wines... ![]() Jetskier ![]() |
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Brendan, my husband and I can't wait to come visit and try your menu. We've been following your renovation progress on facebook and the kitchen looks beautiful! Congratulations on your new venture - you've got a fantastic spot! Keep walking in dignity, and respect will continue to follow you.
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To start the pork belly sliders were only about 4oz total and way over priced at $12. Wild salmon lacked color for "wild" and was way over cooked and over priced for such small portion. Short ribs were tasty nut theere was only one on the plate. Ouch again! Skirt steak was tough as shoe leather and also over priced. The wine was $35 and the total came to $176 before tip for mediocre service. |
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I would say that $176 for a complete meal for 3 is not out of the domain of reason for a higher end restaurant especially with wine and dessert. When my wife an I go out the bill ranges from $50 to over $100...but...
The posting from belly_button_biter of small portions, low quality and mediocre service is pretty damning. I would love to see Lavinia's thrive; great location and charming building. However, the formula seems off the mark. I would expect that with a limited menu and fairly simple dishes that value/quality would be utmost. I am hoping that this is an aberration...it would be appreciated if anyone else trying Lavinia'a would post their impressions. I am losing my zeal to drive up from Laconia to try them without some sort of positive posting. Jetskier ![]() |
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With the loss of the Woodshed, I'm looking for the "outstanding prime rib", fairly local to me. Would be a good niche.
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First reaction to this thread was "ridiculous". It starts out discussing a change of hands in a restaurant and ends up focusing on one unpopular comment a member makes. The entire thread turned into an unwarranted attack on Eric for clarifying a title. Sometimes it's just best to let a comment slide.
I'd love to hear more about Lavinia's as it opens up under new ownership. And perhaps some of the more frequent commenters could take a breath before they attack and allow the forum to be a little more friendly. |
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He certainly has the right to brag about his experience and accomplishments but to do it in order to demean someone else in the business was uncalled for. |
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