Rather Disappointing

songkrai · 03-28-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dave603

But how many of those people bring their dogs out there with them?

Time for the Fish & Game to mandate that all fish wear diapers.

tis · 03-29-2015, 08:05 AM

And the geese, Song!!!

upthesaukee · 03-29-2015, 08:18 AM

...but in past years, Alton Bay becomes a frozen depository for pieces of 2x4 and other pieces of lumber, and some trash.

Love the old back-packing adage. If you carry it in, carry it out and leave the place better looking than when you arrived.

Unfortunately, it is not just ice-fishing folks to blame. I have picked up trash along snowmobile trails, picked up trash on golf courses, and best of all, try doing a roadside clean up along our highways.

We will be doing one on rte 11 in Alton at the end of April, and we will be picking up 25 to 30 bags of trash in a 2 mile stretch.

Sad.

Phantom · 03-29-2015, 09:01 AM

Didn't have the opportunity yesterday, but would someone mind taking a quick photo from the public docks area out onto the Bay to show those who are off in other locals what we are describing please.

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Webbsatwinni · 03-29-2015, 09:15 AM

Shouldn't we all respect the lives of the poor fish being killed by the fisherman?

MAXUM · 03-29-2015, 09:50 AM

Before this gets a bit to far out of hand, how about some food for thought:

There are probably more people using either weirs beach or Ellacoya beach on one summer afternoon than totals the number of fisherman on the lake in the winter time over the course of winter. I would say the likelihood of who would pee in the lake (again I am not condoning this practice) is probably about the same if not a little higher in the summer. Dogs are going to pee anywhere so that's a moot point.

The reason why those blocks of wood are used under the bob houses is so that they can be easily removed in the spring. Over the course of the winter time, between snow fall and the natural cycle of thawing and freezing the blocks become inbedded in the ice. Now imagine what a bob house would do if it became frozen in 6" of ice because it was not put up on blocks. Could they and should they be removed, sure they should but I don't necessarily think it's a monumental ecological disaster having a few pieces of 2X4 floating around in the lake. The trash is an entirely different story and that is shameful that it's left behind because there is no need whatsoever for that to happen.

Just remember that it's a small number of people out there that don't care but it reflects bad on all ice fisherman. Just like anything else, eventually if something is done about it everyone will pay the price for the few who are irresponsible. Sadly, as history shows new laws and regulations no doubt will have little effect unless there is somebody out there actively policing what goes on. For those that don't care, it's likely they never will.

Steveo · 03-29-2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

Before this gets a bit to far out of hand, how about some food for thought:

The reason why those blocks of wood are used under the bob houses is so that they can be easily removed in the spring. Over the course of the winter time, between snow fall and the natural cycle of thawing and freezing the blocks become inbedded in the ice. Now imagine what a bob house would do if it became frozen in 6" of ice because it was not put up on blocks. Could they and should they be removed, sure they should but I don't necessarily think it's a monumental ecological disaster having a few pieces of 2X4 floating around in the lake. The trash is an entirely different story and that is shameful that it's left behind because there is no need whatsoever for that to happen.

The other issue with the wood blocks is they are used to secure the bob house against wind. Typically 4 holes are drilled at the corners of the house. A rope is tied to the wood block and placed in the hole braced against the bottom of the ice. The rope is then cinched down to secure the bob house. That hole eventually freezes and encases the wood block. Trying to get those blocks out in Spring is difficult, just easier to cut the rope and leave the block.

Flotnjr · 03-29-2015, 10:48 AM

If it's too much of a problem to dig up your blocks that get frozen in the ice- DON'T GO. I think a properly equipped ice fisherman knows how to get through the ice... no reason to have them left out there.

03-29-2015, 08:18 AM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,602 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,468 Thanked 1,983 Times in 1,083 Posts	Not limited to Merideth... ...but in past years, Alton Bay becomes a frozen depository for pieces of 2x4 and other pieces of lumber, and some trash. Love the old back-packing adage. If you carry it in, carry it out and leave the place better looking than when you arrived. Unfortunately, it is not just ice-fishing folks to blame. I have picked up trash along snowmobile trails, picked up trash on golf courses, and best of all, try doing a roadside clean up along our highways. We will be doing one on rte 11 in Alton at the end of April, and we will be picking up 25 to 30 bags of trash in a 2 mile stretch. Sad. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-29-2015, 09:01 AM	#4
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Didn't have the opportunity yesterday, but would someone mind taking a quick photo from the public docks area out onto the Bay to show those who are off in other locals what we are describing please. . __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

03-29-2015, 09:15 AM	#5
Webbsatwinni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lebanon Ct and Rattlesnake Island Since 2007 Posts: 610 Thanks: 180 Thanked 137 Times in 72 Posts	The larger point! Shouldn't we all respect the lives of the poor fish being killed by the fisherman?

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03-29-2015, 09:50 AM	#6
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	Before this gets a bit to far out of hand, how about some food for thought: There are probably more people using either weirs beach or Ellacoya beach on one summer afternoon than totals the number of fisherman on the lake in the winter time over the course of winter. I would say the likelihood of who would pee in the lake (again I am not condoning this practice) is probably about the same if not a little higher in the summer. Dogs are going to pee anywhere so that's a moot point. The reason why those blocks of wood are used under the bob houses is so that they can be easily removed in the spring. Over the course of the winter time, between snow fall and the natural cycle of thawing and freezing the blocks become inbedded in the ice. Now imagine what a bob house would do if it became frozen in 6" of ice because it was not put up on blocks. Could they and should they be removed, sure they should but I don't necessarily think it's a monumental ecological disaster having a few pieces of 2X4 floating around in the lake. The trash is an entirely different story and that is shameful that it's left behind because there is no need whatsoever for that to happen. Just remember that it's a small number of people out there that don't care but it reflects bad on all ice fisherman. Just like anything else, eventually if something is done about it everyone will pay the price for the few who are irresponsible. Sadly, as history shows new laws and regulations no doubt will have little effect unless there is somebody out there actively policing what goes on. For those that don't care, it's likely they never will.

03-29-2015, 10:48 AM	#8
Flotnjr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 63 Thanks: 3 Thanked 14 Times in 11 Posts	If it's too much of a problem to dig up your blocks that get frozen in the ice- DON'T GO. I think a properly equipped ice fisherman knows how to get through the ice... no reason to have them left out there.