Devastating damage to the lake

AmantiDelLago · 12-14-2016, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Descant

To follow up: DES called back today. Their compliance man was out to the site yesterday. Pictures now on file from him as well as from the OP, and OP's written complaint. They are looking at two sides of this, cause and what remediation can be done. It has been confirmed that a DOT crew breached the dam. DES is waiting for feedback from DOT as to how, why, authorization, etc.

Any updates on this? Looking at the area it doesn't appear that anything has been done to fix the mess.

Biggd · 12-14-2016, 10:36 AM

I feel for this guy because I know what he's going through. I built a house in Mass that was within 200 feet of wetlands so I had to jump through hoops to get a building permit. I had to hire an Engineer, Geologist, Biologist, Hydraulogist, and every other gist wanted a piece of me. On top of that I had to build an elaborate drainage system, almost like a leech field, with tanks, pipes and stone for all the drains on the gutters of the house. No water from my property was allowed to drain directly into the wetlands without going through this drainage system first. It cost me an extra 10K just to pay for all these expert opinions into what kind of damage my building could cause to the wetlands and another 10K to implement it. Of course I had to surround my property with 1K worth of hay bails first.
The following year the electric company, which has it's high tension wires running right through the wetlands a little further up the street from me, came in and clear cut a path through the wetlands. They drove right through with it big machines and chain saws dropping trees and brush while just leaving it there to decay. And no hay bails anywhere. So, with steam coming out of my ears, I call the city to complain. I was told that they had an easement through the wetlands and they could do what ever they want in that easement.
The moral of the story is, the little guy is nobody and the guys with authority do what ever they want without recourse. Sorry but I had to get that off my chest after reading this.

Steveo · 12-14-2016, 11:06 AM

Good news and bad news...

Good news is that the DoT has agreed to do a clean up (limited), removing some logs and some debris close to shore.

Bad news is they were going to go out there yesterday but with the weather the way it has been (and will be) has the Cove frozen in so it looks like it will have to wait until the spring which will present a whole new set of problems but it is all we have now.

Biggd · 12-14-2016, 11:30 AM

On a lighter note, I never met a Beaver I didn't like.

AmantiDelLago · 12-14-2016, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steveo

Good news and bad news...

Good news is that the DoT has agreed to do a clean up (limited), removing some logs and some debris close to shore.

Bad news is they were going to go out there yesterday but with the weather the way it has been (and will be) has the Cove frozen in so it looks like it will have to wait until the spring which will present a whole new set of problems but it is all we have now.

Thank you for the update. It is unfortunate that the limited clean up wasn't given a higher priority since winter was coming. Also to bad that they are going to do anything about all the crap/debris I saw in the water

MAXUM · 12-17-2016, 09:13 AM

So to summarize:

Inappropriate measures were taken to protect the outflow of a beaver dam that needed to be removed.

The problem, IE the beaver was never permanently removed.

Everyone involved appears to play ignorant, nothing will happen to either the guys who did this, or since it seems abuntantly clear the two goons on site were incapable of making a judgement call their supervisor should be scolded. But in today's day - nobody can get fired in fact all of them will probably get a punishment of a two week paid vacation - no wait I mean be put on "administrative paid leave".

In the mean time the beaver who is hard at work will just build a new dam and the situation will go back to the way it originally was.

Yup our tax dollars hard at work. Brilliant.....

12-14-2016, 11:06 AM	#3
Steveo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 525 Thanks: 47 Thanked 123 Times in 63 Posts	Update Good news and bad news... Good news is that the DoT has agreed to do a clean up (limited), removing some logs and some debris close to shore. Bad news is they were going to go out there yesterday but with the weather the way it has been (and will be) has the Cove frozen in so it looks like it will have to wait until the spring which will present a whole new set of problems but it is all we have now.

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12-14-2016, 10:36 AM	#2
Biggd Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Waltham Ma./Meredith NH Posts: 4,276 Thanks: 2,320 Thanked 1,230 Times in 788 Posts	I feel for this guy because I know what he's going through. I built a house in Mass that was within 200 feet of wetlands so I had to jump through hoops to get a building permit. I had to hire an Engineer, Geologist, Biologist, Hydraulogist, and every other gist wanted a piece of me. On top of that I had to build an elaborate drainage system, almost like a leech field, with tanks, pipes and stone for all the drains on the gutters of the house. No water from my property was allowed to drain directly into the wetlands without going through this drainage system first. It cost me an extra 10K just to pay for all these expert opinions into what kind of damage my building could cause to the wetlands and another 10K to implement it. Of course I had to surround my property with 1K worth of hay bails first. The following year the electric company, which has it's high tension wires running right through the wetlands a little further up the street from me, came in and clear cut a path through the wetlands. They drove right through with it big machines and chain saws dropping trees and brush while just leaving it there to decay. And no hay bails anywhere. So, with steam coming out of my ears, I call the city to complain. I was told that they had an easement through the wetlands and they could do what ever they want in that easement. The moral of the story is, the little guy is nobody and the guys with authority do what ever they want without recourse. Sorry but I had to get that off my chest after reading this.

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12-14-2016, 11:30 AM	#4
Biggd Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Waltham Ma./Meredith NH Posts: 4,276 Thanks: 2,320 Thanked 1,230 Times in 788 Posts	On a lighter note, I never met a Beaver I didn't like.

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12-17-2016, 09:13 AM	#6
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	So to summarize: Inappropriate measures were taken to protect the outflow of a beaver dam that needed to be removed. The problem, IE the beaver was never permanently removed. Everyone involved appears to play ignorant, nothing will happen to either the guys who did this, or since it seems abuntantly clear the two goons on site were incapable of making a judgement call their supervisor should be scolded. But in today's day - nobody can get fired in fact all of them will probably get a punishment of a two week paid vacation - no wait I mean be put on "administrative paid leave". In the mean time the beaver who is hard at work will just build a new dam and the situation will go back to the way it originally was. Yup our tax dollars hard at work. Brilliant.....

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