New boat on the lake

[New Hampshire Lake Man]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

I also think this big boat ($$$$) vs little boat ($) argument is way overblown. If someone can afford a big $$$ boat good for them. If all someone can afford is a small $ boat... good for them too! Boats are luxury items... very few people NEED a boat. So I don't have much tolerance for a guy with a small boat or lake house whining about a guy with a bigger boat or house. To me it is like the have(s) whining about the have more(s). I happen to fall into the have(s) category. I am blessed enough to live here year 'round in a small condo off the water in the Weirs, and a smaller (26') boat.

Woodsy

I really don't know where this idea that people are "whining" about the "haves" comes from, or that there is some element of jealousy at play. I don't like those boats and houses so why would I want one? I don't begrudge anyone their "success." For example, have you ever seen anyone complain about the beautiful mahogany Chris Crafts, Lymans, Gar-Woods, Hacker-Crafts of a bygone era? The best examples of those are often as expensive, if not more, than your average ocean-going behemoth or GFBL boat that can be found on Winnipesaukee. No one complains about them because they're beautiful and in keeping with the lake and its history. But the huge wakes and noise that the GFBL boats produce (not to mention speakers on wakeboard towers) destroy others' enjoyment. Those houses that clear 100' of trees so that they can have a view (or more likely so others' can view their house from the water) destroy the landscape for all of us. So I like to call people on it.

[Woodsy]

Its your choice how YOU spend your money.... but your choice should not be forced upon someone else. Because YOU don't like certain boats they should not be allowed? Because YOU don't like certain houses they should not be allowed either? Certainly sounds like a me me me attitude. How someone spends their money is not my concern as long as it is within the law. It is THEIR choice on how THEY want to spend THIER money. If someone wants and can afford an big house or a big boat... good for them!

That being said... all of the older hackercrafts/garwoods/etc have open (un-muffled) exhaust. They get a pass because they are few in number... if they were greater in number, no doubt there would be lots of noise/speed complaints.

Lake Winnipesaukee is owned by the people of NH. Although it is not a State Park in a formal manner... It is for all practical intents and purposes a State Park... thus it is subject to all sorts of uses by the public.

Nowhere is it written that anyone has the right to peace and quiet.... So ski/wakeboard or pontoon boats with their speakers booming, Go fast boats with legal exhaust, jet skis with their motor whine etc are all legally permitted uses in the lake.

Woodsy

[New Hampshire Lake Man]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Its your choice how YOU spend your money.... but your choice should not be forced upon someone else. Because YOU don't like certain boats they should not be allowed? Because YOU don't like certain houses they should not be allowed either? Certainly sounds like a me me me attitude. How someone spends their money is not my concern as long as it is within the law. It is THEIR choice on how THEY want to spend THIER money. If someone wants and can afford an big house or a big boat... good for them!

That being said... all of the older hackercrafts/garwoods/etc have open (un-muffled) exhaust. They get a pass because they are few in number... if they were greater in number, no doubt there would be lots of noise/speed complaints.

Lake Winnipesaukee is owned by the people of NH. Although it is not a State Park in a formal manner... It is for all practical intents and purposes a State Park... thus it is subject to all sorts of uses by the public.

Nowhere is it written that anyone has the right to peace and quiet.... So ski/wakeboard or pontoon boats with their speakers booming, Go fast boats with legal exhaust, jet skis with their motor whine etc are all legally permitted uses in the lake.

Woodsy

Interesting perspective. I want a beautiful and tranquil lake for everyone. Others want a loud boat and to clear-cut the shoreline, but I'm the selfish one. Mmmmkay.

[kbh]

Originally Posted by New Hampshire Lake Man

Interesting perspective. I want a beautiful and tranquil lake for everyone. Others want a loud boat and to clear-cut the shoreline, but I'm the selfish one. Mmmmkay.

I think the word perspective is correct... My perspective of beautiful and tranquil may not be the same as what you see as beautiful and tranquil. Reminds me of the commercial of a city couple setting up a tent in the woods and camping, then deciding it was too quiet and played city noise on their iPhone and fell fast asleep to honking, motors, and annoying (to me) city noise...

[Woodsy]

No offense but... Judging by the amount of and size of boats on the lake, and the amount of and size of houses on the lake....

Clearly, you are in the minority.... your vision of beautiful & tranquil doesn't seem to fit with what the majority of lake dwellers has embraced.

Forcing the majority of people to accept YOUR vision of what the lake should be is selfish... everyone has their own vision of how it should be.

If you want beautiful & tranquil... go to Squam or a smaller lake. That version of Lake Winnipesaukee ended a long, long time ago... if it ever even existed.

Woodsy

[New Hampshire Lake Man]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

If you want beautiful & tranquil... go to Squam

That pretty much sums up the modern attitude on Winnipesaukee. I think we can agree on that!

[RTTOOL]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

No offense but... Judging by the amount of and size of boats on the lake, and the amount of and size of houses on the lake....

Clearly, you are in the minority.... your vision of beautiful & tranquil doesn't seem to fit with what the majority of lake dwellers has embraced.

Forcing the majority of people to accept YOUR vision of what the lake should be is selfish... everyone has their own vision of how it should be.

If you want beautiful & tranquil... go to Squam or a smaller lake. That version of Lake Winnipesaukee ended a long, long time ago... if it ever even existed.

Woodsy

Judging by what you say the vision is forcing the minority to accept
that must be the same thoughts in 1930 ? when wooding power boats
hit the water thing change so move on its still beautiful & tranquil lake.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

No offense but... Judging by the amount of and size of boats on the lake, and the amount of and size of houses on the lake....

Clearly, you are in the minority.... your vision of beautiful & tranquil doesn't seem to fit with what the majority of lake dwellers has embraced.

Forcing the majority of people to accept YOUR vision of what the lake should be is selfish... everyone has their own vision of how it should be.

If you want beautiful & tranquil... go to Squam or a smaller lake. That version of Lake Winnipesaukee ended a long, long time ago... if it ever even existed.

Woodsy

I wouldn't be so sure about who's in the majority. A handful of loud boats disturbs dozens (hundreds?) of homes.

And nobody complained about the number of homes--the complaint was about clear cutting trees, which most people understand damages the lake.

In general, loud people take up more room, and therefore appear more numerous, than quiet people.

[Woodsy]

PeterG....

It was NH Lake Man who said "Many Winnipesaukee houses are completely ostentatious"

And my point is getting lost in the text of it all... So I will try to explain it more simply.

If the MAJORITY of lake dwellers and NH residents wanted a "tranquil" lake, the laws regarding how people can enjoy the lake would reflect that. In case you didn't know.... that's usually how our system of government works. Point in case.... Squam Lake. Always had a 45 MPH speed limit, very strict waterfront building codes etc. etc.

That has not been he case here on Lake Winnipesaukee, where until recently all forms of waterborne enjoyment were welcome.

Woodsy

[RTTOOL]

Originally Posted by woodsy

peterg....

It was nh lake man who said "many winnipesaukee houses are completely ostentatious"

and my point is getting lost in the text of it all... So i will try to explain it more simply.

If the majority of lake dwellers and nh residents wanted a "tranquil" lake, the laws regarding how people can enjoy the lake would reflect that. In case you didn't know.... That's usually how our system of government works. Point in case.... Squam lake. Always had a 45 mph speed limit, very strict waterfront building codes etc. Etc.

That has not been he case here on lake winnipesaukee, where until recently all forms of waterborne enjoyment were welcome.

Woodsy

waterborne enjoyment really are you ------

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

PeterG....

It was NH Lake Man who said "Many Winnipesaukee houses are completely ostentatious"

And my point is getting lost in the text of it all... So I will try to explain it more simply.

If the MAJORITY of lake dwellers and NH residents wanted a "tranquil" lake, the laws regarding how people can enjoy the lake would reflect that. In case you didn't know.... that's usually how our system of government works. Point in case.... Squam Lake. Always had a 45 MPH speed limit, very strict waterfront building codes etc. etc.

That has not been he case here on Lake Winnipesaukee, where until recently all forms of waterborne enjoyment were welcome.

Woodsy

The problem with your main point is that you assume Squam homes are available and Winni's history is more reflective of how people feel than Winni's present.

First, there is almost literally nothing for sale on Squam. Today, just for comparison, there are 19 homes for sale on Squam (Big and Little combined) and 764 available on Winni. As lopsided as these numbers are, they actually understate the difficulty of finding a home on the much more desirable Big Squam. Do a search, you'll be stunned.

Second, you assert that Winni's history is reflective of voters' desires, but do not recognize that recent efforts to curb some forms of "waterborne enjoyment" are also reflective of voters' desires. You cant have it both ways.

[radiocontester]

End of thread.

[New Hampshire Lake Man]

Originally Posted by radiocontester

End of thread.

Nah.......

[Woodsy]

PeterG....

You are missing my point.....

What is or is not for sale on Squam or Winnipesaukee is irrelevant... The towns that border Squam Lake and the Squam Lake Association have seen to it that the rules regarding that lake were written long ago to keep it's tranquil character. There has been a speed limit on Squam for as long as I can remember, and if it was not for threat of an eminent domain action by the State of NH, there would be NO public access on that lake.

The towns that border Lake Winnipesaukee have not enacted restrictions similar to Squam.... nor has the State of NH. Mainly because a majority of the public does not want them, and the towns want the tax $$ these large homes generate.

Woodsy

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

PeterG....

You are missing my point.....

What is or is not for sale on Squam or Winnipesaukee is irrelevant... The towns that border Squam Lake and the Squam Lake Association have seen to it that the rules regarding that lake were written long ago to keep it's tranquil character. There has been a speed limit on Squam for as long as I can remember, and if it was not for threat of an eminent domain action by the State of NH, there would be NO public access on that lake.

The towns that border Lake Winnipesaukee have not enacted restrictions similar to Squam.... nor has the State of NH. Mainly because a majority of the public does not want them, and the towns want the tax $$ these large homes generate.

Woodsy

That's always the driving force right there, tax $$$. The top 1% with a lot of money generally get what they want if they waive enough of it around and there is no shortage of people willing to take it.
We have a materialistic society here in America. The more you have to show off the more people will pay attention. The owner of this boat has got peoples attention which I'm sure was his intention. It's not the type of boat that goes unnoticed. Some people feel the need for that.

[Woody38]

Those antique boats with original engines don't make a lot of noise. Rather pleasant to some. Standing on shore the noise from some go-fast boats is ridiculous, but they like it. Maybe in future years their loss of hearing will be the result.

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by codeman671

I was at a dealer on the lake yesterday and mentioned this boat to the sales rep.
He said that it belongs to Triple H.

Well then, my hat is off to Triple H, who bought a quiet boat—considerate of everybody at Lake Winnipesaukee.

Originally Posted by Woody38

Those antique boats with original engines don't make a lot of noise. Rather pleasant to some. Standing on shore the noise from some go-fast boats is ridiculous, but they like it.
Maybe in future years their loss of hearing will be the result.

Sadly, the negative effect of noise—and loss of hearing—is most intense in our youngsters:

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[Poor Richard]

I hope he buys six more, each with twice as many engines as the previous ones.

The jealousy and judgement being passed in this thread is saddening, at best.

Enjoy that Hateraid, curmudgeons.

[MeredithMan]

....As I posted earlier in this thread, neither of those are HHH's boat. His boat is quite modest. The big center console lives at a house next to HHH. Let's stop spreading false rumors.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by MeredithMan

....As I posted earlier in this thread, neither of those are HHH's boat. His boat is quite modest. The big center console lives at a house next to HHH. Let's stop spreading false rumors.

We got it the first time you said it. I agree, I saw it on a lift at a house to the left of HHH's home.

APS was just stirring the pot as usual.

It cruised by me today by cattle landing, I will say the owner doesn't know what 150' looks like... it also seemed he was cruising pretty far into the channel between pine and the mainland before backing off as well. I was a ways back since my measly twin 200's can't keep up, but it looked like he was well into the no wake zone before backing down.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

I hope he buys six more, each with twice as many engines as the previous ones.

The jealousy and judgement being passed in this thread is saddening, at best.

Enjoy that Hateraid, curmudgeons.

You are such a snowflake!

[Poor Richard]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

You are such a snowflake!

Oh the irony.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

Oh the irony.

Thank you for proving my point...snowflake.

[Poor Richard]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Thank you for proving my point...snowflake.

You can do better than this but I know what to expect already.

There is, however, a continued entertaining irony being called a snowflake....which is apparently the ultimate insult now...? I'm not sure. Been a while since I was 12.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

You can do better than this but I know what to expect already.

There is, however, a continued entertaining irony being called a snowflake....which is apparently the ultimate insult now...? I'm not sure. Been a while since I was 12.

Wow, I guess "puddle" would be more appropriate given how often you melt.

[Poor Richard]

I gave you too much credit.

[bigpatsfan]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

I hope he buys six more, each with twice as many engines as the previous ones.

The jealousy and judgement being passed in this thread is saddening, at best.

Enjoy that Hateraid, curmudgeons.

Thanks for the post, could not have said it any better!

[rsmlp]

Webmaster, has this thread broken the record for posts? Got to be close...

[Biggd]

It seems like bickering between the have's and the have not's. I'm in the have not's as I do not have the money nor the desire to support one of these boats.

[Phantom]

rsmlp -- if that was a serious question ... the Answer is NO (not even close)


here are a few that dwarf this off track thread:
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...t=11509&page=4
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...t=18320&page=3

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[webmaster]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

Webmaster, has this thread broken the record for posts? Got to be close...

Not even close. This thread from 2008 had 1104 replies (so far this one has 153).

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by webmaster

Not even close. This thread from 2008 had 1104 replies (so far this one has 153).

I would have guessed this one or the speed limit thread

[Skip]

Originally Posted by webmaster

Not even close. This thread from 2008 had 1104 replies (so far this one has 153).

Thanks for the memories Don!

But this thread has established at least one new record....the times the new insult "snowflake" has been bantered about....

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Skip

Thanks for the memories Don!

But this thread has established at least one new record....the times the new insult "snowflake" has been bantered about....

Where is that "thanks" button again?

[Shreddy]

I was always a big fan of the Skydive Laconia thread. Feel like that dragged for a long time with numerous updates but no positive conclusion.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

I was always a big fan of the Skydive Laconia thread. Feel like that dragged for a long time with numerous updates but no positive conclusion.

Yeah your right!....whatever happened with that operation?? Did they finally give up??

Dan

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

I was always a big fan of the Skydive Laconia thread. Feel like that dragged for a long time with numerous updates but no positive conclusion.

Last post August 12, 2014 by the Noonan's

I guess they put a fork in it!

Wait! I thought they said they were never going to give up on Laconia.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...&postcount=592

[BroadHopper]

Been wondering what happen when I saw a beauty of a pontoon boat idling through Eagle Island no wake last night.
A Premier tri-toon with 3 300HP 'rudes! Didn't know Evinrude makes 300HP motors unless the owner put a different sticker on the motors to throw them off!

[TheTimeTraveler]

.....and, if you have a boat that may break the sound barrier then launch it over in Portsmouth and have fun in the salt water.