Another damaging wind event

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I must be the last person in Gilford who still has no power!...

Sheesh!

Nope...they're talking monday or tuesday for us!

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[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

Nope...they're talking monday or tuesday for us!

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Yeah but I wasn’t including any of the islands! After just seeing what happened on Welch island, I don’t expect electricity back on out there till spring!

Still no power at my mainland home in Gilford!

Dan

[chipj29]

My buddy recently bought a fixer-upper camp on Pleasant Lake in Deerfield. It was really old, really run down. He was going to put a new roof on it, and fix it up right.
Well, Mother Nature had a different idea. A giant pine tree pretty much split it in half. Roof is crushed, newer deck destroyed, etc. Looks like he will need to tear it down and start over.

I feel really bad for him and his family. He just closed on this place in early August, and was so excited to be lakeside.

[jbolty]

Originally Posted by chipj29

My buddy recently bought a fixer-upper camp on Pleasant Lake in Deerfield. It was really old, really run down. He was going to put a new roof on it, and fix it up right.
Well, Mother Nature had a different idea. A giant pine tree pretty much split it in half. Roof is crushed, newer deck destroyed, etc. Looks like he will need to tear it down and start over.

I feel really bad for him and his family. He just closed on this place in early August, and was so excited to be lakeside.

If he tears it down they may not be able to ever rebuild if it's close to the water. Tell him to look into the requirements before doing anything. It may be a case where they "repair" it, then add a 2000 sq ft addition.

[Onshore]

Originally Posted by jbolty

If he tears it down they may not be able to ever rebuild if it's close to the water. Tell him to look into the requirements before doing anything. It may be a case where they "repair" it, then add a 2000 sq ft addition.

I can't speak to the local requirements but this is the Shoreland Protection Rule that would come into play...

Env-Wq 1408.01 Replacement of Pre-existing Nonconforming Structures Damaged By Accidental Means.
(a) The owner of any pre-existing nonconforming structure damaged by accidental means who wishes to rebuild the structure in its existing location shall begin construction within 2 years of the date of the accident or such shorter period of time as is specified in local ordinances or regulations.
(b) For purposes of these rules, the time period specified in (a), above, shall not run during the pendency of any legal action that is intended to or has the effect of precluding the owner from rebuilding the structure.
(c) If the owner does not begin construction to replace the pre-existing nonconforming structure within the time period established in (a), above, any primary structure thereafter constructed shall conform to all applicable set-back requirements.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by jbolty

If he tears it down they may not be able to ever rebuild if it's close to the water. Tell him to look into the requirements before doing anything. It may be a case where they "repair" it, then add a 2000 sq ft addition.

I don't know how far back it is, but it isn't very close. I would say it is over 50' away from the shore. He is planning on rebuilding in the original footprint, and not expanding.

[Gatto Nero]

I'm interested in some opinions with regard to home insurance covering dock damage from the storm. My boat was still in the water during this past storm. We found that the lines had snapped and the boat must have bounced around like a pinball inside the U Shaped dock for hours before it finally drifted free. My insurance company is denying the claim on the dock because they say the damage was due to wave action, which apparently is not covered. The damage to the dock was caused by the boat repeatedly smashing in to it, not the waves. Did the waves cause the boat to smash into the dock? Along with the wind they certainly did but it is pretty obvious from looking at both the dock and the boat that it was the boat hitting the dock that caused the damage, not the waves themselves. Is this just wishful thinking on my part or is this something that I should be able to appeal and win?

[HellRaZoR004]

Originally Posted by Gatto Nero

I'm interested in some opinions with regard to home insurance covering dock damage from the storm. My boat was still in the water during this past storm. We found that the lines had snapped and the boat must have bounced around like a pinball inside the U Shaped dock for hours before it finally drifted free. My insurance company is denying the claim on the dock because they say the damage was due to wave action, which apparently is not covered. The damage to the dock was caused by the boat repeatedly smashing in to it, not the waves. Did the waves cause the boat to smash into the dock? Along with the wind they certainly did but it is pretty obvious from looking at both the dock and the boat that it was the boat hitting the dock that caused the damage, not the waves themselves. Is this just wishful thinking on my part or is this something that I should be able to appeal and win?

How about your boat insurance covering damage to property?

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

How about your boat insurance covering damage to property?

Unfortunately, property damage part of liability is damage to the property of others, not your own.

Dave

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[ApS]

Originally Posted by Gatto Nero

I'm interested in some opinions with regard to home insurance covering dock damage from the storm. My boat was still in the water during this past storm. We found that the lines had snapped and the boat must have bounced around like a pinball inside the U Shaped dock for hours before it finally drifted free. My insurance company is denying the claim on the dock because they say the damage was due to wave action, which apparently is not covered. The damage to the dock was caused by the boat repeatedly smashing in to it, not the waves. Did the waves cause the boat to smash into the dock? Along with the wind they certainly did but it is pretty obvious from looking at both the dock and the boat that it was the boat hitting the dock that caused the damage, not the waves themselves. Is this just wishful thinking on my part or is this something that I should be able to appeal and win?

Although I've never had occasion to use one, it'd be worth a call to a "public adjuster" for insurance claims:

A public adjuster is a professional claims handler claims adjuster who advocates for the policyholder in appraising and negotiating a claimant's insurance claim.[1] Aside from attorneys and the broker of record, public adjusters licensed by state departments of insurance are the only type of claims adjuster that can legally represent the rights of an insured during an insurance claim process. A public adjuster will be most beneficial when it is clear that the insurer will pay the claim and the only issue is the proper identification and valuation of the loss. Most public adjusters charge a percentage of the settlement. Primarily they appraise the damage, prepare an estimate and other claim documentation, read the policy of insurance to determine coverages, and negotiate with the insurance company's claims handler.[2]
—Wikipedia

Following Hurricane Andrew, many insurance companies would settle readily with such adjusters. Fees are a percentage of recovery above what insurance has offered.

Damage to Florida docks and boathouses following Hurricane Irma has policy holders wondering why they bought insurance over decades.

But remember, this is The Age of Social Media!

Good luck...

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[Cobalt]

My Insurance Policy specifically states no coverage for damage to docks caused by ice. After paying a substantial premium for the policy, I assumed the dock would be covered.

My question, at the time, what is covered? I need to check again, but my agent told me that would be the only exclusion.

I had very good luck using an insurance adjuster in the past for water damage to the interior of my house. They use professionals, prepare a damage report, and cost for clean up, repair, and other expenses incurred. They usually have a working relationship with the insurance companies.

In your case, the insurance company declined the claim, I would consult an attorney familiar with real estate transactions for waterfront properties. Unless the policy outright declines coverage for your dock, ask what is covered.

I believe the insurance company will not want to defend their absurd position in court, and prefer to settle.

Cobalt

[rsmlp]

Due tomorrow. According to my wind chill calculator, could have chills below 10 degrees. Wintah is heah!

[Gatto Nero]

Originally Posted by ApS

A public adjuster will be most beneficial when it is clear that the insurer will pay the claim and the only issue is the proper identification and valuation of the loss.
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Unfortunately, that is not the case here. They did not put a value to the loss, they outright denied it because of the peril that damaged the dock, which they say was waves. And I don't think its a case of whether or not particular peril is covered or not. For the moment I'm going to assume that waves are not covered (still waiting for their version of the coverage language). It really revolves around which peril caused the loss. Was it, in fact, waves or was it the boat? I can say with certainty that if the boat wasn't there I would not have had the damage that I do. Here are some pics of both the dock and boat damage. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B17GfnH8tGEVx1S

[LakeTimes]

Originally Posted by Gatto Nero

Unfortunately, that is not the case here. They did not put a value to the loss, they outright denied it because of the peril that damaged the dock, which they say was waves. And I don't think its a case of whether or not particular peril is covered or not. For the moment I'm going to assume that waves are not covered (still waiting for their version of the coverage language). It really revolves around which peril caused the loss. Was it, in fact, waves or was it the boat? I can say with certainty that if the boat wasn't there I would not have had the damage that I do. Here are some pics of both the dock and boat damage. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B17GfnH8tGEVx1S

Is that really a cleat broken-in-half in those pictures?

[Gatto Nero]

Originally Posted by JC19

Is that really a cleat broken-in-half in those pictures?

It is. Must have been some wave, huh?

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by JC19

Is that really a cleat broken-in-half in those pictures?

Look'n at the broken galvanized steel cleat screwed to the wood dock with two screws, it has a thin center area with a weak, thin design where it broke in half .... was not very strong?

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Look'n at the broken galvanized steel cleat screwed to the wood dock with two screws, it has a thin center area with a weak, thin design where it broke in half .... was not very strong?

The cleat looks like cast aluminum rather than galvanized steel.

[fatlazyless]

'The Case of the Weak Cleat' from an episode of the old Perry Mason tv show comes to my imaginary mind here.

Yes, thank-you very much, Mr Rusty, for your expert testimony.

[Descant]

The denial letter from your insurance should refer to specific language in the policy. Often, "Coverage"is listed in one area and some paragraphs later "Exclusions", so you have to read both. In any event before you hire an attorney, or public adjuster you can get input from the NH Insurance Commission. Send them your denial and a copy of your (entire) policy. "It's free. The government pays for it."

[Barney Bear]

The seasonal 4'x40' wood dock mentioned in Item #39 above was turned bottom side up by the large waves in last week's storm. Today, in southern NH, we lost power for three hours. In an e-mail, Eversource said that the outage involved about 150 customers. 🐻

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Gatto Nero

Unfortunately, that is not the case here. They did not put a value to the loss, they outright denied it because of the peril that damaged the dock, which they say was waves. And I don't think its a case of whether or not particular peril is covered or not. For the moment I'm going to assume that waves are not covered (still waiting for their version of the coverage language). It really revolves around which peril caused the loss. Was it, in fact, waves or was it the boat? I can say with certainty that if the boat wasn't there I would not have had the damage that I do. Here are some pics of both the dock and boat damage. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B17GfnH8tGEVx1S

Granted, insurance would make your dock entirely "whole" again; however, structural damage seems to be limited, and the cosmetic damage can be cheaply homeowner-restored. (Then take pictures of your repairs, and wait for "Ice-Out").

Some of those missing panels are likely on shore nearby—and maybe that engine cover can be found in shallow water not far away; that is, if it wasn't found inside the boat.

If my dock was covered by insurance—which it isn't—I wouldn't have made a claim; indeed, I'd expect to pay "hiked" premiums for that damage over-and-over again in subsequent years.

Windstorm insurance coverage along SE Florida coastlines can run $15,000 a year!

Restoring long mooring lines can be costly. Would they be covered under your boat's policy?

.

[MDoug]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Yeah but I wasn’t including any of the islands! After just seeing what happened on Welch island, I don’t expect electricity back on out there till spring!

Still no power at my mainland home in Gilford!

Dan

Power still out on Bear?

If so, I am hoping my contractor will use our generator in order to work on our camp.

NHEC may not restore power til spring