Winnisquam on Winnipesaukee/Channel Marina Costs

Descant · 02-04-2018, 04:31 PM

I wonder if, like other landlord tenant relationships, storage fees are negotiable? Can you get a 5% discount for a three year lease? Can you get a 5% discount if you prepay for the same period of time? The market probably isn't right for this now, but it certainly was eight years ago. That will happen again. Of course, if you go condo, your costs are fixed for the foreseeable future (taxes excluded, maybe condo fees, but you get to vote on those changes).

Patofnaud · 02-05-2018, 01:34 PM

I don't have my 2017 contract handy, it did go up slightly, but not by cited $1000 (that I would have raised an eyebrow at).

As other said, some uptick is to be expected as the new owners are actually using that money to increase condition of the place. The docks needed a lot of work, the buildings need a lot of work.

Biggd · 02-09-2018, 03:33 PM

Just a question about dock rentals. A buddy of mine has his boat docked in Mystic Conn. on the ocean of course. He has to let the marina know when he's leaving and when he's returning because in his lease agreement they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing from it. Do any of the marinas on the lake have this policy?
I couldn't believe it when he told me this. Talk about double dipping!

Major · 02-09-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Patofnaud

I don't have my 2017 contract handy, it did go up slightly, but not by cited $1000 (that I would have raised an eyebrow at).

As other said, some uptick is to be expected as the new owners are actually using that money to increase condition of the place. The docks needed a lot of work, the buildings need a lot of work.

Last year, new customers were enticed to valet through Channel Marine for a rate of $2,000. My contract was for that rate. We understood that the rate would go to $2,500 in 2018. After the sale to WOW, they reevaluated the $2,500 rate, and increased it to $3,000. Thus, explaining the $1,000 difference.

We called a number of local marinas, and ended up staying with WOW. All of them, except for Meredith Marina, were around $3,000 for the valet service portion of the service. Meredith Marina was about $2,400, but we were uncomfortable with the parking and the sort of chaotic look of the boat yard. Also, our boat would have been stored outside, whereas it's stored inside at WOW.

Descant · 02-09-2018, 04:09 PM

Inside is a huge plus..

TiltonBB · 02-09-2018, 08:29 PM

Valet has always been a less expensive alternative to renting a slip but it also offers less opportunity to use your boat. If you are someone who would enjoy hanging around on your boat at the dock, or spending the night on it, buying a slip is the only alternative that gives you a guaranteed place for your boat every year as well as some control over the long term cost.

As more real estate in the Lakes Region is developed there will be more demand for boat slips or rack storage. Obviously, the draw to the area is the lake and most homeowners will want access to it.

We know what the supply/demand thing does to the price and that may cause many people who have not been able to lock up something long term to have to get out of boating. It looks like the area population will continue to rise as the number of boat slips and valet spots remains relatively stagnant.

codeman671 · 02-09-2018, 09:02 PM

WOW did away wih a large number of slips to be able
to increase and cater to the valets, providing a better service. Meredith Marina is a crap show on the weekends!

Major · 02-09-2018, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

WOW did away wih a large number of slips to be able
to increase and cater to the valets, providing a better service. Meredith Marina is a crap show on the weekends!

Yes. Boats that have been there since I was a kid - over 40 years. Now gone.

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Hillcountry · 03-05-2018, 04:35 PM

Just called WOW (toon is in winter storage there now) to find out what the 2018 season rate is and was quoted the same $3000 figure. We feel the overall location and marina layout is a huge improvement over Meredith Marina (where we were last year) and are excited to be more centrally located on the lake.
Glad to hear they’re catering more to valet too. The lady I spoke with (Julie) also said we would be able to use the valet service because we were storing there...she also said they were not taking on any new valet customers.
Glad we moved there at last season’s end!

Old Sarge · 03-05-2018, 10:28 PM

$$WOW$$

and have to deal with the channel traffic, (Never mind driving into the Weirs), no thanks!

Hillcountry · 03-05-2018, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Sarge

$$WOW$$

and have to deal with the channel traffic, (Never mind driving into the Weirs), no thanks!

Channel traffic has never been a problem with me...kinda like being in a parade for 5 minutes...
As far as the wiers...bike week will be a beatch but that’s one week out of many and the sights should be interesting!
As far as cost, well BOAT means BUST OUT ANOTHER THOUSAND!

VitaBene · 03-06-2018, 08:24 AM

I am happy to report that Melvin Village Marine held their rates post-purchase for Ambrose Cove.

thinkxingu · 03-06-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene

I am happy to report that Melvin Village Marine held their rates post-purchase for Ambrose Cove.

Good news. I wonder how many people were priced out of Channel/WOW this year. That'd be the real disappointment.

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Old Sarge · 03-06-2018, 08:25 AM

The Problem with $WOW$ charging three-thousand for valet is that it will encourage, cheaper and frankly better facilities like MVYC to raise their rates which are around $850 a year less (24' Boat). They have only had some $100.00 a year increases and no increases this year.

I am glad you have a place you like Hillcountry. There are waiting lists everywhere so I guess we are all at the mercy of the market forces. I was told by one of the Irwin Brothers that they could sell a lot more boats if they only had more slips and rack slots available. I like docking in the Governor's Island area a lot! Even if it is choppy or windy it is a quick shot to get into some shelter in between the islands! Just got to watch out for the Witches!

Biggd · 03-06-2018, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Channel traffic has never been a problem with me...kinda like being in a parade for 5 minutes...
As far as the wiers...bike week will be a beatch but that’s one week out of many and the sights should be interesting!
As far as cost, well BOAT means BUST OUT ANOTHER THOUSAND!

I hate traffic anywhere, even on my boat. I come to the lakes region to get away from traffic but lately that hasn't been the case. With the improving economy the traffic has been worse than ever.

joey2665 · 03-06-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

I hate traffic anywhere, even on my boat. I come to the lakes region to get away from traffic but lately that hasn't been the case. With the improving economy the traffic has been worse than ever.

Last season I moved my boat from SD/LB to Akwa Vista. It is so much more enjoyable not to have to deal with the "conga line" now I only go into Paugus Bay when I want to (Obviously when there is no traffic")

Biggd · 03-06-2018, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by joey2665

Last season I moved my boat from SD/LB to Akwa Vista. It is so much more enjoyable not to have to deal with the "conga line" now I only go into Paugus Bay when I want to (Obviously when there is no traffic")

My wife and I are getting close to retirement. I can't wait, we will be able to travel at off peak times and if I want to put my boat or jet ski in Winni I will do it during the week and stay away from weekend traffic.

Old Sarge · 03-06-2018, 10:03 AM

My wife is a school teacher so we have weekdays off in the summer-it is a whole different lake during the week!

thinkxingu · 03-06-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Sarge

My wife is a school teacher so we have weekdays off in the summer-it is a whole different lake during the week!

This summer will be my last teaching summer school (after 13 years). I'm very much looking forward to having the summer off with my wife, who is also a teacher. 🤞

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Biggd · 03-06-2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

This summer will be my last teaching summer school (after 13 years). I'm very much looking forward to having the summer off with my wife, who is also a teacher. 🤞

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My wife's company just offered a "golden parachute" which she is going to accept. She's 63 and they are giving her two years free health care and two years pay in her pension to retire this year. It's a no brainer, it will cover both of us to Medicare. I'm 64 and have my own business so I'm going to try and work two more years.

thinkxingu · 03-06-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

My wife's company just offered a "golden parachute" which she is going to accept. She's 63 and they are giving her two years free health care and two years pay in her pension to retire this year. It's a no brainer, it will cover both of us to Medicare. I'm 64 and have my own business so I'm going to try and work two more years.

Sounds like a great opportunity. Godspeed, friend!

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Old Sarge · 03-06-2018, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu

This summer will be my last teaching summer school (after 13 years). I'm very much looking forward to having the summer off with my wife, who is also a teacher. ��

Too bad you have to do it this summer! At this point I don't want to give up any Summers, might not have many left! My wife always wants to do seminars and curriculum planning things during the Summer. I always discourage her if I can. She just turned 60 and wants to teach until she is 70! I just reply "Well see"!!!

thinkxingu · 03-06-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Sarge

Too bad you have to do it this summer! At this point I don't want to give up any Summers, might not have many left! My wife always wants to do seminars and curriculum planning things during the Summer. I always discourage her if I can. She just turned 60 and wants to teach until she is 70! I just reply "Well see"!!!

I don't think a scale exists to measure just how much I'd like to bail on this summer, but the (financial) reality is that I need one more. I've tutored, organized and taught remediation programs, taught night school, and run a summer school program these last 13 years. All of these have been to balance out the first decade's wages and student loans, new home, and new family expenses. We're getting there!

Now, in the interested of full disclosure: my summer school program runs from 9-12 and consists of academically motivated students on a (majestic) private school campus. I'm up late and out by lunch, sooo... (Still keeps me away from the lake!)

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joey2665 · 03-06-2018, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggd

My wife and I are getting close to retirement. I can't wait, we will be able to travel at off peak times and if I want to put my boat or jet ski in Winni I will do it during the week and stay away from weekend traffic.

That's a great plan. I love the lake during the week.

Hillcountry · 03-06-2018, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggd

My wife and I are getting close to retirement. I can't wait, we will be able to travel at off peak times and if I want to put my boat or jet ski in Winni I will do it during the week and stay away from weekend traffic.

Bingo! That's when we do most of our boating too...the weekdays are golden! (we are retired)

03-06-2018, 08:24 AM	#12
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,579 Thanks: 1,611 Thanked 1,633 Times in 840 Posts	MVM Ambrose I am happy to report that Melvin Village Marine held their rates post-purchase for Ambrose Cove.

03-06-2018, 08:25 AM	#14
Old Sarge Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 150 Thanks: 106 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	The Problem with $WOW$ charging three-thousand for valet is that it will encourage, cheaper and frankly better facilities like MVYC to raise their rates which are around $850 a year less (24' Boat). They have only had some $100.00 a year increases and no increases this year. I am glad you have a place you like Hillcountry. There are waiting lists everywhere so I guess we are all at the mercy of the market forces. I was told by one of the Irwin Brothers that they could sell a lot more boats if they only had more slips and rack slots available. I like docking in the Governor's Island area a lot! Even if it is choppy or windy it is a quick shot to get into some shelter in between the islands! Just got to watch out for the Witches! Last edited by Old Sarge; 03-06-2018 at 08:58 AM.

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02-04-2018, 04:31 PM	#1
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,350 Thanks: 1,341 Thanked 1,623 Times in 1,055 Posts	I wonder if, like other landlord tenant relationships, storage fees are negotiable? Can you get a 5% discount for a three year lease? Can you get a 5% discount if you prepay for the same period of time? The market probably isn't right for this now, but it certainly was eight years ago. That will happen again. Of course, if you go condo, your costs are fixed for the foreseeable future (taxes excluded, maybe condo fees, but you get to vote on those changes).

02-05-2018, 01:34 PM	#2
Patofnaud Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Tilton/Paugus Bay Posts: 239 Thanks: 13 Thanked 64 Times in 45 Posts	I don't have my 2017 contract handy, it did go up slightly, but not by cited $1000 (that I would have raised an eyebrow at). As other said, some uptick is to be expected as the new owners are actually using that money to increase condition of the place. The docks needed a lot of work, the buildings need a lot of work.

02-09-2018, 03:33 PM	#3
Biggd Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Waltham Ma./Meredith NH Posts: 4,109 Thanks: 2,216 Thanked 1,189 Times in 756 Posts	Just a question about dock rentals. A buddy of mine has his boat docked in Mystic Conn. on the ocean of course. He has to let the marina know when he's leaving and when he's returning because in his lease agreement they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing from it. Do any of the marinas on the lake have this policy? I couldn't believe it when he told me this. Talk about double dipping!

02-09-2018, 04:09 PM	#5
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,350 Thanks: 1,341 Thanked 1,623 Times in 1,055 Posts	Inside is a huge plus..

02-09-2018, 08:29 PM	#6
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 2,994 Thanks: 696 Thanked 2,196 Times in 931 Posts	Valet has always been a less expensive alternative to renting a slip but it also offers less opportunity to use your boat. If you are someone who would enjoy hanging around on your boat at the dock, or spending the night on it, buying a slip is the only alternative that gives you a guaranteed place for your boat every year as well as some control over the long term cost. As more real estate in the Lakes Region is developed there will be more demand for boat slips or rack storage. Obviously, the draw to the area is the lake and most homeowners will want access to it. We know what the supply/demand thing does to the price and that may cause many people who have not been able to lock up something long term to have to get out of boating. It looks like the area population will continue to rise as the number of boat slips and valet spots remains relatively stagnant.

02-09-2018, 09:02 PM	#7
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,491 Thanks: 221 Thanked 810 Times in 486 Posts	WOW did away wih a large number of slips to be able to increase and cater to the valets, providing a better service. Meredith Marina is a crap show on the weekends!

03-05-2018, 04:35 PM	#9
Hillcountry Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: In the hills Posts: 2,420 Thanks: 1,677 Thanked 786 Times in 466 Posts	Just called WOW (toon is in winter storage there now) to find out what the 2018 season rate is and was quoted the same $3000 figure. We feel the overall location and marina layout is a huge improvement over Meredith Marina (where we were last year) and are excited to be more centrally located on the lake. Glad to hear they’re catering more to valet too. The lady I spoke with (Julie) also said we would be able to use the valet service because we were storing there...she also said they were not taking on any new valet customers. Glad we moved there at last season’s end!

03-05-2018, 10:28 PM	#10
Old Sarge Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 150 Thanks: 106 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	$$WOW$$ and have to deal with the channel traffic, (Never mind driving into the Weirs), no thanks!

03-06-2018, 10:03 AM	#18
Old Sarge Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 150 Thanks: 106 Thanked 63 Times in 29 Posts	My wife is a school teacher so we have weekdays off in the summer-it is a whole different lake during the week!