The Dive?

[The Real BigGuy]

I wouldn’t worry about wind and waves too much. One of the lake construction co’s has a 60 ft barge powered by twin 250’s. He manages to maneuver in most summer weather conditions with a 15 ton excavator, skid steer, and a load of sand or gravel. That being said, don’t think you’ll see me at “The Dive” in high wind/high wave conditions. I wish them well though.


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[ApS]

As to "doing-business", isn't there a long sandbar off West Alton? If that's the case, family-boaters would leave Braun Bay to "those others".

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

I wouldn’t worry about wind and waves too much. One of the lake construction co’s has a 60 ft barge powered by twin 250’s. He manages to maneuver in most summer weather conditions with a 15 ton excavator, skid steer, and a load of sand or gravel. That being said, don’t think you’ll see me at “The Dive” in high wind/high wave conditions. I wish them well though.

One barge overturned here in 2004, and another barge tipped a Bobcat into the lake recently—neither barge had a second story.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=627
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=647

Barges have an advantage of sheer "mass" and less windage aloft. They can navigate against a shoreline at a favored "haunt", drop their corner docking posts and ride-out most any weather. ("Favored haunt" meaning, shorelines where they'd been a familiar sight—or Johnson's Cove, where three barges have been seen sheltered at the same time, including overnights).

If a cell (or microburst) should come across the lake, The Dive can also run aground, even allowing water to flood into its hulls—to be pumped out later. That is, if the "cell" can be seen in time for such countermeasures. (In my own experience, about five minutes is all the time you've got).

"Flooding" barge hulls can also be inadvertent!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by ApS

As to "doing-business", isn't there a long sandbar off West Alton? If that's the case, family-boaters would leave Braun Bay to "those others".

One barge overturned here in 2004, and another barge tipped a Bobcat into the lake recently—neither barge had a second story.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=627

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=647

Barges have an advantage of sheer "mass" and less windage aloft. They can navigate against a shoreline at a favored "haunt", drop their corner docking posts and ride-out most any weather. ("Favored haunt" meaning, shorelines where they'd been a familiar sight—or Johnson's Cove, where three barges have been seen sheltered at the same time, including overnights).

If a cell (or microburst) should come across the lake, The Dive can also run aground, even allowing water to flood into its hulls—to be pumped out later. That is, if the "cell" can be seen in time for such countermeasures. (In my own experience, about five minutes is all the time you've got).

"Flooding" barge hulls can also be inadvertent!

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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[jbolty]

Think positive.

If they have not already thought of it doing it a charter for fireworks viewing would be pretty great,

[gravy boat]

Anybody know where it will call its home base? I assume it has to be docked somewhere and call it home. Will it take on passengers at its home location? Will there be parking for groups?
if it has a wedding or a party in Gilford or Laconia will it be able to dock at the Glendale docks or Wiers for 1/2 hour to pick up the group? Where will members of the group park?
Will it require town or state permission as a commercial vessel to retrieve passengers from Glendale, Weirs, Meredith docks?
When it does not have a charter will it be at Braun or another popular gathering spot for the entire day or ride from spot to spot? May take a while to get from one spot to another.
While it will sell alcohol I believe the laws require the beverages to be consumed on the premises. While the novelty is great, how many times will people spend $10+for a drink before just staying in their own boat at the sandbar and mixing their own much cheaper cocktail?

Not trying to be negative but this has been tried before and the above were not ironed out beforehand. Hopefully it does wel!

[rsmlp]

Haven't seen it and if it's not out now it never will be. Crazy busy on the lake the last two days...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Anybody know where it will call its home base? I assume it has to be docked somewhere and call it home. Will it take on passengers at its home location? Will there be parking for groups?

if it has a wedding or a party in Gilford or Laconia will it be able to dock at the Glendale docks or Wiers for 1/2 hour to pick up the group? Where will members of the group park?

Will it require town or state permission as a commercial vessel to retrieve passengers from Glendale, Weirs, Meredith docks?

When it does not have a charter will it be at Braun or another popular gathering spot for the entire day or ride from spot to spot? May take a while to get from one spot to another.

While it will sell alcohol I believe the laws require the beverages to be consumed on the premises. While the novelty is great, how many times will people spend $10+for a drink before just staying in their own boat at the sandbar and mixing their own much cheaper cocktail?



Not trying to be negative but this has been tried before and the above were not ironed out beforehand. Hopefully it does wel!

All good questions I suggest you post them
on their Facebook page and hopefully you’ll get your answers


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[NH4me]

Loons, rumbling boat motors, kids shrieking as they enjoy the water . . . all of those are enjoyable sounds. TVs and loud music would totally ruin the ambiance of the lake for me if I lived either on shore or on an island close to where the Dive could be anchored. Comparisons were made to the Winnipesaukee Belle, but when the Belle cruises by, the lights and music are fleeting. That makes it fun to see - maybe not so if someone were subjected to it for hours. Hope all of the pros and cons have been considered . . .

[Hillcountry]

I think, perhaps, besides making all the permit requirements, the driving factor is pursuance of the almighty dollar...noise pollution is probably low on the consideration list...
There is a cross section of the lake populous that will love it, however.
To each his own.

[GBGX2]

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelake...555340/?type=3

[GBGX2]

Originally Posted by GBGX2

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelake...555340/?type=3

Very good news! We are so close to opening and we are hiring for all positions. If anyone is interested in summer work please pm us!

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by GBGX2

Very good news! We are so close to opening and we are hiring for all positions. If anyone is interested in summer work please pm us!

Better late than never but you just missed the busiest week I have seen in 20 years on the lake...

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

Better late than never but you just missed the busiest week I have seen in 20 years on the lake...

Yeah...summer's over...everybody go home please!

[kawishiwi]

... a damned good burger. A bacon cheeseburger & fries for $18.25 including tax? Drink NOT included. There is just no way people will pay that twice. Maybe once, maybe.

[TheVoiceOfReason]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

... a damned good burger. A bacon cheeseburger & fries for $18.25 including tax? Drink NOT included. There is just no way people will pay that twice. Maybe once, maybe.

I think you're underestimating the amount of $$$ on the lake these days. If you look at it as $13 for the burger and fries and $5 for the convenience fee to have them bring it to you by boat it's actually not all that bad.

[fatlazyless]

..... probably cost maybe $400 to get the 2018 boat registration sticker from the NH-MP for this motorized vessel, aka a boat, so the money has to come from somewhere to offset the expenses ..... as long as it's a business and not just someone's hobby boat?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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Many of the questions are arising from the photos posted on their website and are legitimate questions based on the vessels design. I truly hope that is a safe design and a successful business as I think I would use their services on occasions instead of waiting for a slip to open at a town dock or in line for a table at one of the lakeside establishments

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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I was thinking exactly this!

I would imagine the "owners" have already considered all of these factors and likely have vetted the permitting process prior to spending $100's of thousands of dollars building it.

With all of the chatter on this site about finding places to eat near various docks, I am surprised at the responses to this thread that are less than favorable.

[TiltonBB]

If they anchor in a "No Rafting" area can you pull up to it and tie up while they cook your burger?

Can you order by phone and do a "touch and go" in a No Rafting zone when your food is ready?

Just askin'

[ApS]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!

I think you misunderstood. The Dive appears to be designed above a barge basis. It has steel supports to the floor above. Operating in shallow water—if subjected to a microburst—it has the distinct advantage of being run aground intentionally. Intentional flooding would help to anchor it. If it were my design, I'd add hydraulic outboard "jack plates".

Seeing Winnipesaukee's construction barges operating every day, I've noticed they don't go out in heavy wind conditions. (Having witnessed a microburst while holding my boat in knee-deep, but sheltered, water—neither do I ). Although I haven't made a correlation (yet) with bad weather; sometimes, they'll come to a complete stop for many minutes—then turn around to return to their base in Johnson's Cove.

By contrast, the Winnipesaukee Belle has a flat bottom, but isn't a design like The Dive. (It doesn't power its side-paddles, as they're ornamentation). I've never seen it navigate in a straight line, as it is subject to random yawing.

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[WINNOCTURN]

The Dive???

Did it ever set sail?

No other Posts since late MAY???

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by WINNOCTURN

The Dive???

Did it ever set sail?

No other Posts since late MAY???

They did some shakedown cruising and are waiting for state booze license I think...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WINNOCTURN

The Dive???



Did it ever set sail?



No other Posts since late MAY???

I posted a link above from a Facebook group with photos.

[GBGX2]

Originally Posted by WINNOCTURN

The Dive???

Did it ever set sail?

No other Posts since late MAY???

Winnocturn, they are posting on Facebook constantly:

https://m.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/

[GBGX2]

https://www.facebook.com/16544150545...7583341278822/

[jbolty]

None of us have a clue but it's still fun to speculate. Some if it might even turn out to be correct.


I have to think they will sort of follow the food truck model. Announce on twitter they will be here, here and here at these times. They are not making money while driving around and since they will need to sort of keep to a schedule flagging them down for a burger mid lake seems unlikely; they would never get where they are going otherwise.