Ok, what can you do to the lake bottom?

[Formula260SS]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

http://www.nedockandbarge.com/

I don't think it's those guys. It's a new contractor, I've seen the barge a few times I think think it says Northern something. I would suspect NE Dock & Barge knows better

[ApS]

Originally Posted by mishman

The incident occurred in Moultonborough. Anyone know of a dock company whose first name is Northern? Can't recall the second name.

Then we have two incidents.

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The Wolfeboro dock to my right was a total-rebuild by a barge marked, "Northeast Dock & Barge". (Photo previously posted here last week). I'd pixilated the name!

My vantage point from shore allowed me to see only one engine, and that engine was black in color.

The Wolfeboro boathouse to my left, presently starting a major rebuild with a huge rock crib, had the barge pictured below—with two black engines.

Several days ago, the rock cribs that were to make the new foundation had been stored to the right of the barge. By yesterday, they'd been moved—perhaps to surround the new dredging.

Since the only other commonality was a rusty roof, I can't say that it was the same barge.

This barge didn't leave last weekend, so there's a good chance it will be there this coming weekend, too.

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[Taz]

Winter Harbor. I recognize the moored boat.

[MAXUM]

Not for nothing but it seems this would be easy to track down.

If you know where the work was done contact the landowner. Cross reference this against a pulled permit assuming one has been. From there find out from the landowner who they hired.

I don't think on a public forum it's very nice to speculate who did the work as if the wrong person or business is incorrectly accused it could adversely affect their livelihood. I'm all for letting everyone know if there is a contractor out there doing it wrong but only after this is a proven fact and not speculation. What some may perceive as "wrong" may very well be OK under certain circumstances. Clearly in at least the pic posted by ShoreThings - who happens to be the resident expert on this kind of stuff, that seems obvious but I'd still defer any judgments as to what is going on that is supposedly "illegal" to those that are in the know so to speak.

That said it's good there are those out there paying attention to this sort of thing, the lake as a whole needs to be cared for by all especially contractors who often times work unsupervised so any nefarious activity should be pointed out to the appropriate authorities for further action if it is so warranted.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Not for nothing but it seems this would be easy to track down. If you know where the work was done contact the landowner. Cross reference this against a pulled permit assuming one has been. From there find out from the landowner who they hired. I don't think on a public forum it's very nice to speculate who did the work as if the wrong person or business is incorrectly accused it could adversely affect their livelihood. I'm all for letting everyone know if there is a contractor out there doing it wrong but only after this is a proven fact and not speculation. What some may perceive as "wrong" may very well be OK under certain circumstances. Clearly in at least the pic posted by ShoreThings - who happens to be the resident expert on this kind of stuff, that seems obvious but I'd still defer any judgments as to what is going on that is supposedly "illegal" to those that are in the know so to speak. That said it's good there are those out there paying attention to this sort of thing, the lake as a whole needs to be cared for by all especially contractors who often times work unsupervised so any nefarious activity should be pointed out to the appropriate authorities for further action if it is so warranted.

Originally Posted by shore things

Any chance this is the same guy? This was August 6, 2018. We'd really appreciate any photos and information you can provide.

This (at the arrow), looks like it could be a permit.

Does DES just walk up and inspect it?

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[tummyman]

DES can talk all about turbidity, but they totally ignore the problems caused by the wake boats in coves. Turbidity happens every day but DES looks the other way. These wake boats are a major problem, but not for DES! Just selective enforcement against property owners but not others causing real problems.

[Lake Winnipesaukee Alliance]

Originally Posted by tummyman

DES can talk all about turbidity, but they totally ignore the problems caused by the wake boats in coves. Turbidity happens every day but DES looks the other way. These wake boats are a major problem, but not for DES! Just selective enforcement against property owners but not others causing real problems.

Tummyman,

As we posted in our recent erosion thread, we'd love to get photos, locations, and any other evidence if you have it. If it's too difficult to photograph, we'd like the exact location and your advice on how to capture proof. We will incorporate into our action plans to improve water quality for the lake. Please post here or PM us.

Thanks,

LWA

[ApS]

Originally Posted by shore things

Any chance this is the same guy? This was August 6, 2018. We'd really appreciate any photos and information you can provide.

See below...

Originally Posted by Formula260SS

I don't think it's those guys. It's a new contractor, I've seen the barge a few times I think think it says Northern something.
I would suspect NE Dock & Barge knows better

Nope.

My spies tell me it's Northeast Dock & Barge.

[Onshore]

We have already identified and contacted the parties involved in both incidents. Thank you to everyone who took a moment to try to provide assistance.

[KPW]

Originally Posted by ApS

See below...


Nope.

My spies tell me it's Northeast Dock & Barge.

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You may want to scroll back up. Looks like the barge was identified (not Northeast Dock and Barge).

[ApS]

Originally Posted by KPW

You may want to scroll back up. Looks like the barge was identified (not Northeast Dock and Barge).

I've had a look myself. It's "Northeast Dock and Barge".

Need any more proof? They're now flying the Gadsden Flag!

[Major]

Originally Posted by ApS

They're now flying the Gadsden Flag!

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What's wrong with the Gadsden flag?

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by Major

What's wrong with the Gadsden flag?
Attachment 14135

nothing, second to the stars and stripes, its my second favorite

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Major

What's wrong with the Gadsden flag?

This was an inappropriate use—when "mistakes were made".

Originally Posted by AC2717

nothing, second to the stars and stripes, its my second favorite

• I had one on my bumper—so, "nothing". But the (welcome) post accepting blame and displaying this brand-new flag's legend ("Don't Tread on Me") are in direct conflict.

• As for silt-plumes, this shoreline of Winter Harbor has been totally free of invasive plants—including the non-native, "exotic milfoil".


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[KPW]

Originally Posted by ApS

I've had a look myself. It's "Northeast Dock and Barge".

Need any more proof? They're now flying the Gadsden Flag!

It looks like Northland Construction to me. What am I missing?

[Dock and Barge]

As many of you have read and made statements I feel compelled to now respond. As one of the owners of Northeast Dock and Barge yes the site on Forest Road is a site where we are currently performing a permitted repair rebuild for one of our customers. The picture as shown by Darlene Forest the head of the Wetlands Department for New Hampshire DES (shorethings)portrays a large plum of silt as shown on the date in which it was taken. Northeast Docks takes responsibility for doing a permitted repair with turbidity curtains that upon review should have been upgraded prior this repair. Upon being notified by Marine Patrol and Des immediate action which included new turbidity curtains being installed and a stop of work until we felt the situation was contained. We take our responsibility to the customers we serve seriously. Mistakes are made under the best of intentions and we take full responsibility for what happened. That said many there are many projects that take place on this body of water that are not permitted and do not fall even close to the catagory of repair. After 12 years in business I am proud of our record and this is our first interaction when it comes to a infraction. We will strive to do better and will continue to make improvements to how we perform our work. I hope we can all do better as lakefront owners and contractors to better preserve this resource. Best, Luke Freudenberg Northeast Dock and Barge Inc.

[tummyman]

Originally Posted by Dock and Barge

As many of you have read and made statements I feel compelled to now respond. As one of the owners of Northeast Dock and Barge yes the site on Forest Road is a site where we are currently performing a permitted repair rebuild for one of our customers. The picture as shown by Darlene Forest the head of the Wetlands Department for New Hampshire DES (shorethings)portrays a large plum of silt as shown on the date in which it was taken. Northeast Docks takes responsibility for doing a permitted repair with turbidity curtains that upon review should have been upgraded prior this repair. Upon being notified by Marine Patrol and Des immediate action which included new turbidity curtains being installed and a stop of work until we felt the situation was contained. We take our responsibility to the customers we serve seriously. Mistakes are made under the best of intentions and we take full responsibility for what happened. That said many there are many projects that take place on this body of water that are not permitted and do not fall even close to the catagory of repair. After 12 years in business I am proud of our record and this is our first interaction when it comes to a infraction. We will strive to do better and will continue to make improvements to how we perform our work. I hope we can all do better as lakefront owners and contractors to better preserve this resource. Best, Luke Freudenberg Northeast Dock and Barge Inc.

You are a stand up guy...thanks for being so honest and forthright. Too often folks just try to make excuses and dodge the responsibility. Your statement should be commended by all ! Thanks for your honesty and responsiveness.

[barndoor]

Nice to see Northeast take responsibility and apologize for a mistake. We all make them.

[raydoe1]

Originally Posted by barndoor

Nice to see Northeast take responsibility and apologize for a mistake. We all make them.

I don't think it was a mistake!
I hired Northeast to do repairs on our docks in a lakefront community and will never hire them again. they are full of false promises and were always taking shortcuts to hurry up and get to their next job resulting in shabby work.They promised me many times they would come back and correct the work, but they never did.
I think they were trying to take another short cut and got caught this time.

[RobertsCove0]

Raydoe,
I live in a lakefront community in Alton and it can be miserable at times dealing with politics at our docks. We have had many projects done over the years and even a well done job can get criticism. To many retired people with nothing to do except complain. We need to refocus this negativity

[ITD]

What about the purported dumping of dredging material in deeper water???

[Dock and Barge]

Originally Posted by ITD

What about the purported dumping of dredging material in deeper water???

Not us, and I would not want to speculate.

[bilproject]

Originally Posted by barndoor

Nice to see Northeast take responsibility and apologize for a mistake. We all make them.

They only took responsibility after they were caught. Their workers had to see the silt but did nothing to replace the booms.

[tis]

Have you seen any of the Gloeotrichia, APS?

[ApS]

I went out sailing yesterday, thinking how bad can a weekend be... ?

Big Mistake!

Anyway, Gloeotrichia were in the water column about 2-feet down from the surface. Completely visible.

Maybe this is what divers are calling "snow", but it's the start to a maturing population of poisonous "vegetation".

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[Onshore]

Originally Posted by Dock and Barge

As many of you have read and made statements I feel compelled to now respond. As one of the owners of Northeast Dock and Barge yes the site on Forest Road is a site where we are currently performing a permitted repair rebuild for one of our customers. The picture as shown by Darlene Forest the head of the Wetlands Department for New Hampshire DES (shorethings)portrays a large plum of silt as shown on the date in which it was taken. Northeast Docks takes responsibility for doing a permitted repair with turbidity curtains that upon review should have been upgraded prior this repair. Upon being notified by Marine Patrol and Des immediate action which included new turbidity curtains being installed and a stop of work until we felt the situation was contained. We take our responsibility to the customers we serve seriously. Mistakes are made under the best of intentions and we take full responsibility for what happened. That said many there are many projects that take place on this body of water that are not permitted and do not fall even close to the catagory of repair. After 12 years in business I am proud of our record and this is our first interaction when it comes to a infraction. We will strive to do better and will continue to make improvements to how we perform our work. I hope we can all do better as lakefront owners and contractors to better preserve this resource. Best, Luke Freudenberg Northeast Dock and Barge Inc.

For the record I am not, nor do I want to be, the head of the Wetlands Department. I am merely the shoreland section supervisor.

D. Forst

[Dock and Barge]

Originally Posted by shore things

For the record I am not, nor do I want to be, the head of the Wetlands Department. I am merely the shoreland section supervisor.

D. Forst

Understood.

[Onshore]

Originally Posted by Dock and Barge

Understood.

No worries. I just don't anyone to get the impression that my scope is bigger than it really is.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Dock and Barge

As many of you have read and made statements I feel compelled to now respond. As one of the owners of Northeast Dock and Barge yes the site on Forest Road is a site where we are currently performing a permitted repair rebuild for one of our customers. The picture as shown by Darlene Forest the head of the Wetlands Department for New Hampshire DES (shorethings)portrays a large plum of silt as shown on the date in which it was taken. Northeast Docks takes responsibility for doing a permitted repair with turbidity curtains that upon review should have been upgraded prior this repair. Upon being notified by Marine Patrol and Des immediate action which included new turbidity curtains being installed and a stop of work until we felt the situation was contained. We take our responsibility to the customers we serve seriously. Mistakes are made under the best of intentions and we take full responsibility for what happened. That said many there are many projects that take place on this body of water that are not permitted and do not fall even close to the catagory of repair. After 12 years in business I am proud of our record and this is our first interaction when it comes to a infraction. We will strive to do better and will continue to make improvements to how we perform our work. I hope we can all do better as lakefront owners and contractors to better preserve this resource. Best, Luke Freudenberg Northeast Dock and Barge Inc.

Her last name is Forst, not "Forest"

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dock and Barge

As many of you have read and made statements I feel compelled to now respond. As one of the owners of Northeast Dock and Barge yes the site on Forest Road is a site where we are currently performing a permitted repair rebuild for one of our customers. The picture as shown by Darlene Forest the head of the Wetlands Department for New Hampshire DES (shorethings)portrays a large plum of silt as shown on the date in which it was taken. Northeast Docks takes responsibility for doing a permitted repair with turbidity curtains that upon review should have been upgraded prior this repair. Upon being notified by Marine Patrol and Des immediate action which included new turbidity curtains being installed and a stop of work until we felt the situation was contained. We take our responsibility to the customers we serve seriously. Mistakes are made under the best of intentions and we take full responsibility for what happened. That said many there are many projects that take place on this body of water that are not permitted and do not fall even close to the catagory of repair. After 12 years in business I am proud of our record and this is our first interaction when it comes to a infraction. We will strive to do better and will continue to make improvements to how we perform our work. I hope we can all do better as lakefront owners and contractors to better preserve this resource. Best, Luke Freudenberg Northeast Dock and Barge Inc.

How can residents be assured that this WMUR article about a sudden bloom of poisonous Gloeotrichia blue-green algae in Winter Harbor didn't arise from the dredging of Phosphorus sequestered since the last Ice Age—10,000 years ago?



From this?