Kayak fees

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

I very much doubt that NH will seriously look at implementing a fee for non motorized "boats." I did a quick search and came up with nothing mentioning and fee discussion from any elected official in NH. Maybe it is out there but I could not find it.

It was on the news last night.... here is a link!


https://www.wmur.com/article/commiss...blems/22987740

Woodsy

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

It was on the news last night.... here is a link!


https://www.wmur.com/article/commiss...blems/22987740

Woodsy

Thanks for the link I did listen to and now understand where this came from. I personally do not believe they will place a free on a non motorized kayak canoe, etc. Having said that I am sure they will find additional dollars somewhere. Maybe more fees on snowmobiles, boats, fishing, hunting licenses etc...but not kayaks. Least that is what I think.

[Biggd]

Just no, to more fees!

[billy]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

Thanks for the link I did listen to and now understand where this came from. I personally do not believe they will place a free on a non motorized kayak canoe, etc. Having said that I am sure they will find additional dollars somewhere. Maybe more fees on snowmobiles, boats, fishing, hunting licenses etc...but not kayaks. Least that is what I think.

...I have to register my 12' Sunfish sailboat why not my 3 kayaks

[Hillcountry]

Pay up, suckers!

[ApS]

If fees are collected for "use", why aren't fees calculated for the number of acres-per-second a boat would use—before it would become an infringement of other watercraft rights?

Originally Posted by Slickcraft

I don't mind the power boat related F&G fee, we use the boat all season long. We have a canoe and kayaks that are used 2 or 3 times a year. Like many they are not launched at a ramp. I have never seen paddle sport folk clogging a launch ramp. In general they could usually launch to the side of a power boat ramp. On a busy day it is the power boats using a ramp one after another. OK F&G is underfunded and we do need those guys and gals around. So our two kayaks are the answer? There is a voluntary "hike safe card" that also applies to paddling. If you don't buy a card then you may have to pay for any rescue.
https://wildlife.state.nh.us/safe/

Years ago, the NH Gazeteer sounded the death knell for canoes on Lake Winnipesaukee. Canoes, though still legal, are justifiably becoming an "endangered species". It's just too difficult to remain upright after being struck by a wake from oversized boats—with their non-empathic skippers. Kayaks have a familiar danger, as recently, a kayak was sliced in half by a distracted "Captain".

Kayaks are somewhat easier to control, but even their days are numbered.

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

Thanks for the link I did listen to and now understand where this came from. I personally do not believe they will place a free on a non motorized kayak canoe, etc. Having said that I am sure they will find additional dollars somewhere. Maybe more fees on snowmobiles, boats, fishing, hunting licenses etc...but not kayaks. Least that is what I think.

Concord is reviewing this kayak proposal closely, as they've already spent the funding with which they'd previously absconded—from the NHMP.

[Descant]

Yes, APS, they took the funds that Director Barrett had saved to rehab the old MP HQ. And they built a facility that will work for the next 50 years. Wise decisions in my book, especially after a tour of the new building and the environmental considerations that went into its design. Thank you Lt.

Perhaps sailboats should pay a double registration fee because their inherent right of way occupies more space than a GFBL which is in its space for a VERY limited time, while the sailboat is there, exercising RoW forever?

Time to consider others? Maybe the legislature should revoke sailboat R o W as a fairness issue?
When I hear the Mount blow her horn repeatedly in the broads, it isn't a powerboat in the way.

I applaud that you seem to be the only sailor here, sticking up for other sailors, but you need to understand the position of others, especially those powerboats who are paying the bills.

[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by Descant

I applaud that you seem to be the only sailor here, sticking up for other sailors, but you need to understand the position of others, especially those powerboats who are paying the bills.

Do powerboats pay a higher rate than sailboats? What about sailboats with auxiliary engines?

[8gv]

I'll bet that my 7'6" inflatable is the smallest registered boat in NH.

Due to it's mighty 15 pound thrust 1979 antique Minn Kota electric trolling motor, a sticker is required.

Any kayak could beat it in a race.

[MikeF-NH]

Originally Posted by 8gv

I'll bet that my 7'6" inflatable is the smallest registered boat in NH.

Due to it's mighty 15 pound thrust 1979 antique Minn Kota electric trolling motor, a sticker is required.

Any kayak could beat it in a race.

I have a similar reservation to you 8gv. I have a 15.5 canoe with a newer 40 # thrust minnkota electric trolling motor that has been registered ever since I got fined a few years back for using it without a power boat registration. So my question now is: if new legislation passes to I now have to pay BOTH the powerboat registration AND the new canoe/kayak registration fees? If true...that canoe would be the most expensive boat in the state to register.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by MikeF-NH

I have a similar reservation to you 8gv. I have a 15.5 canoe with a newer 40 # thrust minnkota electric trolling motor that has been registered ever since I got fined a few years back for using it without a power boat registration. So my question now is: if new legislation passes to I now have to pay BOTH the powerboat registration AND the new canoe/kayak registration fees? If true...
that canoe would be the most expensive boat in the state to register.

Good question to bttt.

Why not instead tax oversized swim-rafts?

Even when appearing in a row, or even in great numbers, at least kayaks aren't an eyesore!

Yes, these five are in front of ONE residence...!

[fatlazyless]

No, the Marine Patrol in Glendale at the Gilford docks would probably consider it a case of double jeopardy and hit you with the most expensive registration fee of the two.

By the way, how much was the fine for motoring an unregistered canoe which costs about $50/year to register and then should have its own insurance policy?

Is so much easier to just paddle a paddle, or oar a row?
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Yes, kayaks have paddlers and they paddle about, while a big raft like that is basically a floating structure that sits there for days, weeks, and months.

"The water in Lake Winnipesaukee belongs to the people of the State of NH", and not to the abutter, shoreline property owner, so what's up with these large, floating rafts that can be 15' high, and brightly colored, in the case of the slide? Does not seem like a very reasonable use with consideration for neighbors?

It uglies up what becomes a super-duper waterfront view in the winter, after the rafts get removed ..... gotta love that winter time view!!!

[iw8surf]

We should tax and fine anyone who wants to have fun..

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

We should tax and fine anyone who wants to have fun..

If your "fun" is at the expense of others, let's make it at your expense. These rafts are getting into the obnoxious state! Are there no controls? Float anything you want?

[joey2665]

As has been covered many times on this forum. You may own waterfront property but do not own the "water". Full disclosure I do own waterfront. IMO the amount of floatable rafts tendered in front of your property should be limited to 1 per home.

[Garcia]

Just curious if a permit is needed for a float? I assume no, but you need one for a dock and a mooring so I can see the state requiring one. Also, just curious if there is a size and/or regulation as to how far offshore they can be.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Just curious if a permit is needed for a float? I assume no, but you need one for a dock and a mooring so I can see the state requiring one. Also, just curious if there is a size and/or regulation as to how far offshore they can be.

Believe anything anchored "permanently" needs to be inside that magic 150' mark and not be considered a hazard to navigation.

[fatlazyless]

Say-hey .... with that licensed image or two or three or four of Dudley Do-Right, the F&G officer wearing a red field jacket and red dough boy, field hat, it's a sure fire, hells-a-blaz'n, dad-burned winner of an advertising promotion to be raising $10-contributions from all over to support the NH F&G.

Those Dudley Do-Right cartoon images make people smile, and it sure enuf dun seems just like so many in NH and beyond would gladly hand over ten bucks in exchange for a Dudley Do-Right sticker, suitable for sticking on your kayak, canoe, motor boat, motorcycle, car, or even your forehead.... knowing it was for a great cause. ... to power up the F&G.

Just add the words: 'Support NH F&G' to the image, and it would be good to go ... never hurts to poke a little fun at yourself ..... especially when it could be a big revenue raiser for the F&G.

It beats the heck verses being totally broke. No money makes it a diminished F&G. Instead of powering their search & rescue jon boats with outboard motors, they will soon be using oars, for oaring their boat along, what with no money to keep the motor running ..... row, row, row, row, row ..... Dudley Do-Right to the rescue for the NH Fish & Game!

.....suggest you google Dudley Do-Right and click on images ….. is he a good fit for the F&G ….. or is he a good fit for the F&G!

[JEEPONLY]

I was trying to attach a picture of "Chippa Granite", from the fifties. He was the poster-boy for all that was New Hampshire.

Canadian Do-Right?- Not!

[ApS]

One more here:
https://www.plymouth.edu/museum-of-t...307/section-6/

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Descant

Yes, APS, they [Legislature] took the funds that Director Barrett had saved to rehab the old MP HQ. And they built a facility that will work for the next 50 years. Wise decisions in my book, especially after a tour of the new building and the environmental considerations that went into its design. Thank you Lt. Perhaps sailboats should pay a double registration fee because their inherent right of way occupies more space than a GFBL which is in its space for a VERY limited time, while the sailboat is there, exercising RoW forever? Time to consider others? Maybe the legislature should revoke sailboat R o W as a fairness issue? When I hear the Mount blow her horn repeatedly in the broads, it isn't a powerboat in the way. I applaud that you seem to be the only sailor here, sticking up for other sailors, but you need to understand the position of others, especially those powerboats who are paying the bills.

• There's a new NHMP building, but where is the NHMP patrolling? (Not here).

• The Mount uses "repeated blasts" as a horn? 'News to me. Not only have I never been "honked" at, I have found that the Mount acknowledges sailboat presence by steering a very considerate and professional course—and have mentioned it here previously. (Thanks again, Cap'n).

• The difference between my powerboat "fee" and unpowered sailboat "fee" is $5. A NH fee adopted 30 years ago to regulate boats that merely bend New Hampshire's wind, and leave no damaging wakes behind.