The Dive!

[Rusty]

Looks like it also impedes the other houses at the end of Simpson.

[tmrealtors]

I tried uploading photos...hope it works! My first time posting here!

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Looks like it also impedes the other houses at the end of Simpson.

Looks like that dumpster on the edge of the lake is a bigger problem.... Be careful what you wish for.

[tmrealtors]

Those are old photos from years ago. That house is fully renovated now and mine was all repaired too.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by tmrealtors

Those are old photos from years ago. That house is fully renovated now and mine was all repaired too.

I'm sure it looks nice.
Thanks for posting the pictures of the Dive as viewed from your property.

[Garcia]

I'll be honest - I wouldn't want The Dive parked in front of my house.

[jazzman]

How does the Dive stay put on a windy or wavy day? I wouldn't exactly call that docked. Is it sitting there with it's spuds down?

I know it's Weirs central there, but I'd be pretty annoyed if it was my house.

[Biggd]

Someone told me they were charging a $40 entry fee just to get on it. Is this true?
If that's the case I can see why they would want to stay docked there.

[Woodsy]

Biggd..... No entrance fee to hang on the Dive.

I get how the homeowners might be a little pissed having seen the new pics. I did not think it was a bid deal when I was on it.

That being said, I do not think the aggrieved homeowners are going to get very far with any complaints. Especially with the Dive going out to the sandbars in the morning and returning in the evening on weekends.

Woodsy

[fatlazyless]

So, how does The Dive coexist and fit in at the Flighcraft-Winni Pier docks area?

Another spot that is a possibility is way over to the right, up close with the bow of the Mount Washington. Two tenant boats could be moved somewhere else, leaving a dock space big enough for The Dive.

Concentrating the Mount Washington, Sophie C, Doris E, and The Dive all in one tight spot could be one happy group of cruise boats ...... all far away from any residential water front homes.

Believe this spot used to be home to the Winnipesaukee Queen, a 48' sailboat.

And, at the same time, resurrect the old miniature golf course in what is now that triangle shaped parking lot ..... just because it's the right thing to do ... The Dive-Mini Golf! Mini golf and The Dive would be good partners, with the two working together, with the golf as an overflow .... and at the dock spot way to the right, close to the Mount Washington ..... there's good line-of-sight vision from the tall Dive, there, to the mini golf course ..... location-location-location ..... make it a 9-hole course with coexisting 6 parking spots on the other side of a fence?

[Phantom]

My mental image of FLL's home computer …………. upgraded last year to have 2 floppy drives.

[joey2665]

That is hilarious!!!!!!

[fatlazyless]

....so true up til few months ago .... have stepped up to a $179 Acer 15" lap top.... hey ..... I may be slow, but I am still here, driv'n up front of you! ...

[AC2717]

SO my question becomes:

with mooring and docks and the current laws, isn't it true that current boats cannot swing off a mooring or be docked over the property line of a neighbor? wouldn't this hold true in this situation, especially because of property lines already established, and there are slips under that pier that boats went into that kept them on the pier's side of a property line.

I for one am disappointed with East Coast Flight tech and the Dive owners for setting up this way, and I hope it is temporary. One would think neighbor discussion should have happened.


Seems like ever since the Goodhue Hawkins/East Coast Flight Craft took over Colbalt up in NH they have been trying to take over the world, which good for them, and I'm fine with that but now they are over stretching with this move. They wont block the Anthony's view but will cross over the property line to block others and yes that is a navigational hazard in that area

I truly believe that property owner and the owners on that street have a legitimate complaint in multiple aspects

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by AC2717

SO my question becomes ..... isn't it true that current boats cannot swing off a mooring or be docked over the property line of a neighbor? wouldn't this hold true in this situation, especially because of property lines already established, and there are slips under that pier that boats went into that kept them on the pier's side of a property line.

I truly believe that property owner and the owners on that street have a legitimate complaint in multiple aspects

The Marine Patrol typically asks to get written consent from the neighbor saying it is ok with a neighbor's boat moored out front on the property line between their home and their neighbors, swinging around on a mooring, depending on the wind.

It comes down to whether or not the neighbor is ok with seeing a lot of their neighbor's boat, out front. It is subjective, and some boats just look better than others ...... like a graceful sailboat vs a barge-restaurant?

Having it there for almost 24-7 probably makes even the best looking boat become an eyesore ..... unless it is your own boat .... and then it is totally beautiful!

If The Dive were not parked there for hours and hours and days and days ..... it would be an open and uncluttered view of open water going out for about a mile to Governor's Island and the right side of Weirs Bay ..... but what you got is a 24' wide x 62' long x 20' tall barge restaurant bar blocking the natural view.

Besides the view issue, there is a zoning issue too, because it changes the use from recreational to commercial. Commercial use stops at the property line, there, and The Dive is way over the line.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by AC2717

SO my question becomes:

with mooring and docks and the current laws, isn't it true that current boats cannot swing off a mooring or be docked over the property line of a neighbor? wouldn't this hold true in this situation, especially because of property lines already established, and there are slips under that pier that boats went into that kept them on the pier's side of a property line.

I for one am disappointed with East Coast Flight tech and the Dive owners for setting up this way, and I hope it is temporary. One would think neighbor discussion should have happened.


Seems like ever since the Goodhue Hawkins/East Coast Flight Craft took over Colbalt up in NH they have been trying to take over the world, which good for them, and I'm fine with that but now they are over stretching with this move. They wont block the Anthony's view but will cross over the property line to block others and yes that is a navigational hazard in that area

I truly believe that property owner and the owners on that street have a legitimate complaint in multiple aspects

Where is "Shore Things" when we need him? I am sure he would have an answer or if he doesn't he would certainly know where to get the correct answer

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Where is "Shore Things" when we need him? I am sure he would have an answer or if he doesn't he would certainly know where to get the correct answer

To be correct ..... this should say: Where is "Shore Things" when we need her? I am sure she would have an answer or if she doesn't she would certainly know where to get the correct answer.

It's a Marine Patrol issue first because it is trespassing.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

To be correct ..... this should say: Where is "Shore Things" when we need her? I am sure she would have an answer or if she doesn't she would certainly know where to get the correct answer.

It's a Marine Patrol issue first because it is trespassing.

Sorry you are correct her not him. I know its an MP issue first but she is extremely knowledgeable and well versed on most lake issues and would not be surprised if she had an answer

[Woodsy]

So I went and looked at the tax maps, to see where the property lines were etc etc. So while the people who own the lot #24 might not be happy with the Dive somewhat obstructing their view.... the Dive is fully within the property lines of the Pier. If you really want to be picky... draw a straight line out along the property line and the #24 dock actually impedes the Pier!

I think the Pier & Dive are legal and all in all I hope they find a way to co-exist.

Woodsy

[birchhaven]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

So I went and looked at the tax maps, to see where the property lines were etc etc. So while the people who own the lot #24 might not be happy with the Dive somewhat obstructing their view.... the Dive is fully within the property lines of the Pier. If you really want to be picky... draw a straight line out along the property line and the #24 dock actually impedes the Pier!

I think the Pier & Dive are legal and all in all I hope they find a way to co-exist.

Woodsy

I have no opinion, but I do know property lines when they hit the water can be looked at two ways the way you describe and also, perpendicular to the shore line from the point it hits the water (I am pretty sure this is how NH DES views it for dock permiting). The angle that the property line is at when it hits the water line has no effect. I am not aware of any actual laws the Dive is breaking but what do I know

[LIforrelaxin]

Well, it looks like we will have a lot to talk about in regards tot he DIVE.

On the issue of what kind of complaints might come from adjacent property owners, until you know what has been discussed with them, all you are doing is speculating that there may or may not be a problem. I know I would have an issue, but hey if the DIVE came in and said, we will compensate you, it could bring a different twist to the issue...

I would hope and think that ECFC and the DIVE, have done their homework before setting things up...

I think for me the biggest question is just how often is the DIVE, going to leave Port.... If she is out all the time, how they dock her really isn't a big inconvience. However if she is to be there more often then not, and serving food etc. then not only is there a issue with views, and boat maneuvering, but also with smell etc. Which you could argue already exists because of the other restaurants but he, sometime a new restaurant might bring a bad odor....

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Well, it looks like we will have a lot to talk about in regards tot he DIVE.

On the issue of what kind of complaints might come from adjacent property owners, until you know what has been discussed with them, all you are doing is speculating that there may or may not be a problem. I know I would have an issue, but hey if the DIVE came in and said, we will compensate you, it could bring a different twist to the issue...

I would hope and think that ECFC and the DIVE, have done their homework before setting things up...

I think for me the biggest question is just how often is the DIVE, going to leave Port.... If she is out all the time, how they dock her really isn't a big inconvience. However if she is to be there more often then not, and serving food etc. then not only is there a issue with views, and boat maneuvering, but also with smell etc. Which you could argue already exists because of the other restaurants but he, sometime a new restaurant might bring a bad odor....

The complaints have already started. See post #53 above. The dive's current mooring location has blocked their view and creates a safety issue according to them.

Hopefully as you said East Coast and the neighbors can come up with so type of arrangement, that is assuming the current location is legal.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by joey2665

The complaints have already started. See post #53 above. The dive's current mooring location has blocked their view and creates a safety issue according to them.

Hopefully as you said East Coast and the neighbors can come up with so type of arrangement, that is assuming the current location is legal.

Thanks I guess I missed that post....
Definitely blocks the view there is no doubt about that. As far as posing a safety issue well that I would have to be convinced of...

More importantly however it doesn't sound like Winnipesaukee Peir (ECFC) or the DIVE, tried to do a little neighborly conversing before making such a decision. However once again if they have done things correctly, and obtained permits, there maybe very little that the home owners can do. Unless they weren't notified, and there is a stipulation in a permit application that states they needed to be.

[Reilly]

Originally Posted by AC2717

SO my question becomes:

with mooring and docks and the current laws, isn't it true that current boats cannot swing off a mooring or be docked over the property line of a neighbor? wouldn't this hold true in this situation, especially because of property lines already established, and there are slips under that pier that boats went into that kept them on the pier's side of a property line.

I for one am disappointed with East Coast Flight tech and the Dive owners for setting up this way, and I hope it is temporary. One would think neighbor discussion should have happened.


Seems like ever since the Goodhue Hawkins/East Coast Flight Craft took over Colbalt up in NH they have been trying to take over the world, which good for them, and I'm fine with that but now they are over stretching with this move. They wont block the Anthony's view but will cross over the property line to block others and yes that is a navigational hazard in that area

I truly believe that property owner and the owners on that street have a legitimate complaint in multiple aspects

you are absolutly correct & they will act on it