Glendale No Wake

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by tis

It's not adding another No Wake Zone. It''s just putting a sign up to remind people. But that still doesn't make a difference because people don't seem to know what a wake is and Marine Patrol doesn't seem to enforce it.

Why does everyone fall back on the cause being the MP not enforcing rules. On any given boat ride, I see boats violating all sorts of laws and rules. There aren't enough MP boats, to be every where at once. However when they are where there are violations occurring, they have to make decisions on which one are most important to intervene on.

150' violations, and no-wake violations, unless there is a sense of endangerment or gross failure to obey, seem like issues I would prefer the MP, to let slip.... I would rather see them out, enforcing DUI issues, and dealing with people in distress....

Now back to the case at hand. People shouldn't be surprised by this.... Meredith created and has expanded a no wake zone. Other area's where boats congregate for access and entertainment are going to fallow suit it is just a mater of time. I for see Wolfeboro bay, going down this road as well. The one area where I am surprised there hasn't been a call for enlarging the no-wake area, is at the weirs....

All in all, as boats have become bigger, and boaters themselves less concerned about fellow boaters, the conditions on a body of water like Winnipesaukee are only going to continue to degrade in this aspect.

[Taz]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

All in all, as boats have become bigger, and boaters themselves less concerned about fellow boaters, the conditions on a body of water like Winnipesaukee are only going to continue to degrade in this aspect.

I disagree about boats becoming bigger on this lake. Since 2008 and when the economy tanked, there are more and more day boats and pontoon boats and less large Carver like cruisers. The trend since 2008 has been buy a property to stay in and then rent/buy a slip for a day boat since no need to stay on the boat with property/house/condo. I have observed several slips that used to have larger cruiser liveaboards now replaced by pontoon boats, bowriders and now surf boats.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Taz

I disagree about boats becoming bigger on this lake. Since 2008 and when the economy tanked, there are more and more day boats and pontoon boats and less large Carver like cruisers. The trend since 2008 has been buy a property to stay in and then rent/buy a slip for a day boat since no need to stay on the boat with property/house/condo. I have observed several slips that used to have larger cruiser liveaboards now replaced by pontoon boats, bowriders and now surf boats.

I disagree with your disagreement. Boats today are bigger and beamier than they were years ago. Just look at the issues with public docks and marinas. Slips and docks were not designed for boats with 8' or bigger beams - right now this is one of the issues Meredith is wrestling with as they look to redesign docks in Meredith and Sheps.

Perhaps we're talking about different time frames - 20 plus years ago, family boats were typically in the 18-21 foot range. Today, 25' or bigger seems more the norm. This makes sense, as I also believe there are many more day users (people who have a slip but no property, valet, or trailer) so a bigger platform for the day makes things more comfortable.

Just my observations, recollections, and thoughts...

[DPatnaude]

There have always been short term adjustments when gas prices were high or the economy not doing as well, but the long term trend is definitely an increase in boat size. Our own experience being based in Center Harbor and Moultonborough:

• Early 1970's - 15' Arkansas Traveler, 55 hp, 6' beam

• Mid 70's to Mid 80's - 15' Glastron, 80 hp, 6' beam

• Late 80's - 18' Sea Ray, 225 HP, 8' beam

• 90's - 23' Sea Ray, 260 HP, 8' beam

• 2000's - 26' Sea Ray, 330 HP, 8.5' beam

In the early days, a trip to Alton Bay was once a year. Now, it is Wolfeboro, Alton Bay, and Meredith all in the same day...

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Garcia

I disagree with your disagreement. Boats today are bigger and beamier than they were years ago. Just look at the issues with public docks and marinas. Slips and docks were not designed for boats with 8' or bigger beams - right now this is one of the issues Meredith is wrestling with as they look to redesign docks in Meredith and Sheps.

Perhaps we're talking about different time frames - 20 plus years ago, family boats were typically in the 18-21 foot range. Today, 25' or bigger seems more the norm. This makes sense, as I also believe there are many more day users (people who have a slip but no property, valet, or trailer) so a bigger platform for the day makes things more comfortable.

Just my observations, recollections, and thoughts...

I disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement. I am talking from around 2008 on, not from 1920, 1930, 1940, 1950. 1960 etc, you get the point. Are you denying that there are more pontoon boats on the lake? I stand by my previous post. There is no doubt in my mind that I see much less large Carver liveaboard types on the lake and where I am docked. The marina I am in was full of large Carvers, a lot of people stayed overnight on their boats. Now many of the large boats that were in the marina I am in are gone and replaced with pontoon boats and day boats, 20 -25 foot range. I know a lot of people in my marina got rid of the large boats, bought a condo or moved here and now have a smaller day boat.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Taz

I disagree with your disagreement of my disagreement. I am talking from around 2008 on, not from 1920, 1930, 1940, 1950. 1960 etc, you get the point. Are you denying that there are more pontoon boats on the lake? I stand by my previous post. There is no doubt in my mind that I see much less large Carver liveaboard types on the lake and where I am docked. The marina I am in was full of large Carvers, a lot of people stayed overnight on their boats. Now many of the large boats that were in the marina I am in are gone and replaced with pontoon boats and day boats, 20 -25 foot range. I know a lot of people in my marina got rid of the large boats, bought a condo or moved here and now have a smaller day boat.

Fair enough. I'll pay more attention when I'm there next, but what I see is more bigger boats - even in the past 10 years since 2008. Definitely more pontoons boats - and bigger ones in the 25' range as opposed to the under 20' range. I don't see these as replacing the big Carvers but instead replacing the smaller boats. Maybe it's different in different part of the lake.