The Dive!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I read the article in the paper. It doesn’t seem like the owners want to be good neighbors. All they keep saying is that they never did anything wrong, and they couldn’t care less if others are bothered by noise. And now they’re suing the town?

Why can’t they just move to the other side?

Why should they move? They are adhering to the same rules as everyone’s the pier including the Mount regarding music noise opening and closing times ect


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[fatlazyless]

Because the 62 x 22', two story Dive barge is killing the view for homes nearby on Simpson Ave by sticking out the long, length of the barge. If the barge were turned and docked parallel to the dock, it would present a 1/3 smaller view obstruction.

For the last hundred years, since 1919, there's never been a similar use at that location so it needs to get a SITE PLAN AMENDMENT from the Laconia Planning and Community Board. Running the Dive restaurant/bar business tied to the Pier with customers/employees boarding the barge via the Pier is a City of Laconia jurisdictional issue much more than a State of NH issue. While docked at the Pier, the Dive's customers, employees, supplies, adult beverages, electric power, water, septic and everything else all boards and disembarks the barge via the Pier .... so it is basically an extension of the Pier ..... and the Dive has remained in that one spot for weeks at a time.

Another Laconia related Barge issue is 'where do the Barge customer's paarkk their caarrs, while at the Dive?' ...... they paarkk their caarrs, not in the waters of Lake Winnipesaukee ...... no, they paarkk their caarrs in a nearby Laconia paarkking space. So, the Dive business is very much a Laconia community issue that must be ruled by the Laconia Planning and Community Board.

[Susie Cougar]

I guess I just don’t understand how moving the barge a few hundred feet away from its present location could possibly be detrimental to their business, since this is their first year and it’s not like they’ve been there forever.

I’m not against the Dive in anyway. It has a place in Weirs Beach, for sure, as well as when it goes to Braun Bay. I think it’s great that those people don’t have to stand on the sandbar all day long.


My sons would love this!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I guess I just don’t understand how moving the barge a few hundred feet away from its present location could possibly be detrimental to their business, since this is their first year and it’s not like they’ve been there forever.

I’m not against the Dive in anyway. It has a place in Weirs Beach, for sure, as well as when it goes to Braun Bay. I think it’s great that those people don’t have to stand on the sandbar all day long.

My sons would love this!

East Coast Flightcraft, the owners of the pier may not want it moved over. Also it’s present location makes it easy for patrons to walk down the pier right into the dive.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Why should they move? They are adhering to the same rules as everyone’s the pier including the Mount regarding music noise opening and closing times ect


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I'm willing to bet if the town mandated that the Dive move to the front of the pier then it wouldn't be there next year. It's ok to block the views of residents, "they don't own the water" but it's not ok to block the view of a business. I understand about the music and business hours but when these people bought their waterfront homes there wasn't a barge blocking their view so they have a legit complaint. It's something that wasn't there before and should be subject to neighborhood objection.
If I owned one of those homes I wouldn't be happy and I'm sure you wouldn't either.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I'm willing to bet if the town mandated that the Dive move to the front of the pier then it wouldn't be there next year. It's ok to block the views of residents, "they don't own the water" but it's not ok to block the view of a business. I understand about the music and business hours but when these people bought their waterfront homes there wasn't a barge blocking their view so they have a legit complaint. It's something that wasn't there before and should be subject to neighborhood objection.

If I owned one of those homes I wouldn't be happy and I'm sure you wouldn't either.

Ok by that standard if I had a house with a view for 50 years and someone tried to build a home legally but it blocked my view they would be permitted to build the home? If this us the case 100s of houses on the lake would not have been built.

Also the view is only partially blocking their view and only 3 months out of the year.

Like you said they do not own the lake and they have no view easement.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Ok by that standard if I had a house with a view for 50 years and someone tried to build a home legally but it blocked my view they would be permitted to build the home? If this us the case 100s of houses on the lake would not have been built.

Also the view is only partially blocking their view and only 3 months out of the year.

Like you said they do not own the lake and they have no view easement.



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If you have a house on the water it would be very difficult for someone to build one blocking your view. At the premium price that you have to pay for waterfront property you should have a say in someone trying to block it.
I say, make them move it to the front of the pier.
I have business property and I'm going through this now as well as a big project across the street from me. I'm not sure if we will get the approvals but it's in a residential neighborhood so the residents should have a say. I won't be happy if I don't get the approvals but I understand the need for the process. If I was on the other side of the fence I would want a say on something that was going to affect my neighborhood and the value of my property..

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

If you have a house on the water it would be very difficult for someone to build one blocking your view. At the premium price that you have to pay for waterfront property you should have a say in someone trying to block it.

I say, make them move it to the front of the pier.

I have business property and I'm going through this now as well as a big project across the street from me. I'm not sure if we will get the approvals but it's in a residential neighborhood so the residents should have a say. I won't be happy if I don't get the approvals but I understand the need for the process. If I was on the other side of the fence I would want a say on something that was going to affect my neighborhood and the value of my property..

I didn’t say on the water I said water view but either way there are no view easements. I as well am going through this. They are building a home in front of mine which will partially block my view of the lake and there is nothing I can do about it.

As long as the Dive is legally moored and operating under local law this will but be a big waste of taxpayers money as usual. FYI the owner isn’t even a New Hampshire resident they are Florida residents.


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[Susie Cougar]

joey2665

I am sorry they are building a home in front of yours that will partially block your view. You personally know how this feels, and it never feels good to anyone when it happens.

But unfortunately, you can’t compare the two.

When you bought your land, you would’ve realized that if there was vacant land in front of yours that eventually there would come a time that someone would buy that land and build on it just like you did.
Something like this is anticipated. No one buying their homes who have been by the Dive could have anticipated this happening.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

joey2665

I am sorry they are building a home in front of yours that will partially block your view. You personally know how this feels, and it never feels good to anyone when it happens.

But unfortunately, you can’t compare the two.

When you bought your land, you would’ve realized that if there was vacant land in front of yours that eventually there would come a time that someone would buy that land and build on it just like you did.

Something like this is anticipated. No one buying their homes who have been by the Dive could have anticipated this happening.

We will have to agree to disagree. That pier was there long before the homes and always was an entertainment venue. Waterfront would permit them access to the water not necessarily a water view.

Oh well we will have to let the courts decide now and waste taxpayer funds that could be used for the WOW Trail.


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[Susie Cougar]

I am really trying to understand your point of view because obviously you feel very strongly about this.

You also stated that the owner lives in Florida. Why is this relevant? Don’t you live in New York?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I am really trying to understand your point of view because obviously you feel very strongly about this.

You also stated that the owner lives in Florida. Why is this relevant? Don’t you live in New York?

I do and as I said someone’s building in front of me partially blocking my lake view but I’m not suing anyone. He’s a part timer at best and his view is only blocked for 3 months out of the year and only while the Drive is docked. It goes to sandbars most days and comes back at sundown.


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