Results!!!!! No Wake

[KonaChick]

Dave R sorry but I think that's exactly what you were implying. Having our docks and land destroyed isn't an occassional "downside" to lake living. When you say that I think of the things that truly are an occassional downside to owning on the big lake...traffic coming up on Fridays, guests that stay too long, mice in the house, cleaning the beach up, ignorant boaters. Theses are all examples of the occassional downside we experience up at the lake. Having our docks destroyed, erosion of our beaches, wildlife nests on our property destroyed because of ignorant boaters who refuse to follow the law are more than a "downside", they are an outrage. We don't need your sympathy we need compliance of the law and some common sense both of which were in short supply this holiday weekend.

[Winni]

Thank you, KonaChick. As for DaveR, I am just giving up. He will never get it so it's not worth any more of my effort. Have a nice life, Dave, just leave the rest of us alone. Getting you to understand is a fruitless endeavor.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Dave R sorry but I think that's exactly what you were implying. Having our docks and land destroyed isn't an occassional "downside" to lake living. When you say that I think of the things that truly are an occassional downside to owning on the big lake...traffic coming up on Fridays, guests that stay too long, mice in the house, cleaning the beach up, ignorant boaters. Theses are all examples of the occassional downside we experience up at the lake. Having our docks destroyed, erosion of our beaches, wildlife nests on our property destroyed because of ignorant boaters who refuse to follow the law are more than a "downside", they are an outrage. We don't need your sympathy we need compliance of the law and some common sense both of which were in short supply this holiday weekend.

I think you may have taken a well-deserved sarcastic response to MJP as an attack on all land owners by me. It was not. Don't flatter yourself, you are not envied as much as you think.

Lets put my "occasional downside" comment back in perspective. The context in which it was written was thus: Compared to folks losing homes, loved ones, and lives to hurricanes, floods and tsunamis, your erosion and dock problems are indeed just an occasional downside of choosing to live next to water. I know it probably seems like the end of the world when your dock gets busted up, but it's nothing that cannot be repaired and things could be vastly worse. If you were truly responsible, you would have already been prepared for the high water and the dock would be just fine.

If you truly cared about wildlife on the lake, you'd NEVER own a house on the lake. That land of yours was stolen from those poor furry little animals who can no longer call it home and are probably very, very sad every time they think about it. Especially the cute ones becuase somehow, I doubt snapping turtles feel sadness. A true nature lover would turn the place into a human-free animal sanctuary. Please, let us know how that turns out.

If in this context, you still think your situation is an "outrage", give FEMA a call. Maybe they will declare your property a distaster area and bail you out.

[KonaChick]

Originally Posted by Dave R

I think you may have taken a well-deserved sarcastic response to MJP as an attack on all land owners by me. It was not. Don't flatter yourself, you are not envied as much as you think.

Lets put my "occasional downside" comment back in perspective. The context in which it was written was thus: Compared to folks losing homes, loved ones, and lives to hurricanes, floods and tsunamis, your erosion and dock problems are indeed just an occasional downside of choosing to live next to water. I know it probably seems like the end of the world when your dock gets busted up, but it's nothing that cannot be repaired and things could be vastly worse. If you were truly responsible, you would have already been prepared for the high water and the dock would be just fine.

If you truly cared about wildlife on the lake, you'd NEVER own a house on the lake. That land of yours was stolen from those poor furry little animals who can no longer call it home and are probably very, very sad every time they think about it. Especially the cute ones becuase somehow, I doubt snapping turtles feel sadness. A true nature lover would turn the place into a human-free animal sanctuary. Please, let us know how that turns out.

If in this context, you still think your situation is an "outrage", give FEMA a call. Maybe they will declare your property a distaster area and bail you out.

Everytime you reply your true self shines through like a beacon.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Everytime you reply your true self shines through like a beacon.

Thank you! I do try.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

"...The sole point of my posts was to point out the absurdity of whining on the internet instead of protecting one's property..."

This site—and the lake's present messy 600' situation—was on television last night.

Think The Governor watches TV news?

Originally Posted by Woodsy

"...There has to be a balance between the interests of the waterfront property owners, businesses, and the general public. Unfortunately you cannot please everyone..."

The state needs to add four more lanes to I-93: Even more businesses, property owners, and "general public" could arrive here, and no business would be allowed to have a lean year. We can even raise the lake level another foot or two every time business suffers a "bad winter". [/sarcasm]

Originally Posted by Dave R

"...If you were truly responsible, you would have already been prepared for the high water and the dock would be just fine..."

My dock was rebuilt above 1984's high water. And, when my dock was rebuilt, the vast majority of boats were NOT being dragged to Winnipesaukee on 4-wheeled trailers.

(Or six wheels, for that matter).

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Thank you! I do try.

Careful Dave, that batch of tar and feathers they whipped up for me has your name on it.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by jrc

Careful Dave, that batch of tar and feathers they whipped up for me has your name on it.

Thanks, I'm pretty thick skinned, or maybe just ambivalent. My turn to be the scapegoat. All the erosion is my fault.

I'd be much less sarcastic about this subject if folks said something like: "I filled sand bags and made temporary dams to protect my property, but I was unable to avoid damage caused by wakes", instead of "I called the MP 20 times today, I joined WinnFABs, I complained on the Internet, and I STILL have erosion". Ugh, hello... do something besides picking up the phone, writing checks and typing. It's YOUR land, be a person of action; the world loves people of action.

Somehow, pointing this out makes me as (or perhaps more) evil than the folks actually causing the erosion.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Thanks, I'm pretty thick skinned, or maybe just ambivalent. My turn to be the scapegoat. All the erosion is my fault.

I'd be much less sarcastic about this subject if folks said something like: "I filled sand bags and made temporary dams to protect my property, but I was unable to avoid damage caused by wakes", instead of "I called the MP 20 times today, I joined WinnFABs, I complained on the Internet, and I STILL have erosion". Ugh, hello... do something besides picking up the phone, writing checks and typing. It's YOUR land, be a person of action; the world loves people of action.

Somehow, pointing this out makes me as (or perhaps more) evil than the folks actually causing the erosion.

Ah, you've graduated from build better docks to sandbags, I see progress. I haven't heard a good reason not have a lakewide NWZ, other than it will interfere with the "economic engine". Come to think of it, construction is an economic engine, builders should adopt some of these arguements.

Anyway, building walls, be they of concrete or sand seems to be ridiculous to me when a little courtesy will solve the problem. Oh well.

BTW, I think dams, even temporary ones are frowned upon by DES.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by ITD

Ah, you've graduated from build better docks to sandbags, I see progress. I haven't heard a good reason not have a lakewide NWZ, other than it will interfere with the "economic engine". Come to think of it, construction is an economic engine, builders should adopt some of these arguements.

Anyway, building walls, be they of concrete or sand seems to be ridiculous to me when a little courtesy will solve the problem. Oh well.

BTW, I think dams, even temporary ones are frowned upon by DES.

As a boater and being on the waterfront I've got a foot in "both houses" that seem to be emerging in this discussion. I think 600' is not enough distance to dimish wake size effectively* but to the extent that it may have kept people off the lake it did work somewhat. I think that the people with boats that throw large wakes should be more considerate and either leave them at the dock or do NWS wherever but I don't expect everyone to do that. Some people are just plain ignorant of their wakes, others ignorant of the effect of the lake level and still others just don't give a ... hmmm ... hoot. Given that realitity and the fact the Mother Nature doesn't abide by any of our rules I put the the barrels back on the dock, just like I did last fall. I have a neighbor a few docks down that watched me do this 2 weeks ago and did nothing. My dock is intact and his is demolished. And I'll add it was the constant pounding from the waves of last weeks storms that did it, not this weekends boat wakes, so we all need to get a little perspective here. Given last falls floods I can muster only mild sympathy for the landowners who didn't learn from that lesson and do something to protect their assets. People who put in their seasonal docks and didn't fasten down the decks (as GN mentions here) get no sympathy from me. They and the large wakers are both in the wrong.

*I'm remotivated to make a "Winni Wave-o-meter" to record wave and wake size and then do some tests to measure wake reduction vs distance. Then I can forward the data to Concord so they have something solid to base their decisions on.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

As a boater and being on the waterfront I've got a foot in "both houses" that seem to be emerging in this discussion. I think 600' is not enough distance to dimish wake size effectively* but to the extent that it may have kept people off the lake it did work somewhat. I think that the people with boats that throw large wakes should be more considerate and either leave them at the dock or do NWS wherever but I don't expect everyone to do that. Some people are just plain ignorant of their wakes, others ignorant of the effect of the lake level and still others just don't give a ... hmmm ... hoot. Given that realitity and the fact the Mother Nature doesn't abide by any of our rules I put the the barrels back on the dock, just like I did last fall. I have a neighbor a few docks down that watched me do this 2 weeks ago and did nothing. My dock is intact and his is demolished. And I'll add it was the constant pounding from the waves of last weeks storms that did it, not this weekends boat wakes, so we all need to get a little perspective here. Given last falls floods I can muster only mild sympathy for the landowners who didn't learn from that lesson and do something to protect their assets. People who put in their seasonal docks and didn't fasten down the decks (as GN mentions here) get no sympathy from me. They and the large wakers are both in the wrong.

*I'm remotivated to make a "Winni Wave-o-meter" to record wave and wake size and then do some tests to measure wake reduction vs distance. Then I can forward the data to Concord so they have something solid to base their decisions on.

I'm in both camps also, I chose not to get my boat which was scheduled to be launched last Sunday. My docks have held up well (pipe dock with wood decks that are nailed together). Erosion hasn't been that bad but you can see a fine cloud of silt in the water after every series of waves from wakes. Agree with you on the float away docks and also on the large wakers. As I said before the cruisers and so called GFBL boats seemed to be the most courteous as far as wakes my observations. The "runabouts" that were out either had no clue or didn't care.

Let me know if you need any help with the "Winni Wave-o-meter", sounds like a 6 cocktail project to me.

If we follow the MP directors logic, no one should ever have to worry about tsunamis again.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by ITD

{snip}
Let me know if you need any help with the "Winni Wave-o-meter", sounds like a 6 cocktail project to me.

Your wording is so apropos I wanted to make a system without the typical mechanical float so I looked for some electronic method. Long story short, I came across the link below as the simplest way (minus the RF parts) to do what I wanted*.

http://www.merl.com/papers/docs/TR2002-21.pdf

------------ CAUTION GEEK ALERT CAUTION -------------------
-- Look away now or you'll be "Dilbert-ized" and be unable to have children or anything recognizable as a life --

*So what did I want ... well I wanted to be able to have a system that recorded the highs and lows of the water level for a week unattended. That meant some storage device like the ubiquitous USB flash "drives" we see. Better yet I wanted to record enough measurements in fine enough increments (+/-5' in 8 bits = ~0.5" resolution) to be able to reconstruct the each wave moment by moment (? 10 Hz, more ?), not just record the highest high, the lowest low. I wanted to be able to time stamp the measurements and lastly it had to be cheap enough that several could be built w/o breaking my "frugal" nature So a simple micro-controller (uC) like in the URL, a parallel plate capacitor that sits partial submerged, a reference cap, a battery, a USB drive, some switches and an LCD display for user input/output and the mechanical housing, PWB, etc and you have it ... the Winni Wave-o-meter. Clamp it to your dock post or perhaps anchor it offshore and once a week swap USB drives. Review the data on your PC using Excel or such. Next time people are talking about wave or wake heights we might actually have some facts to back them up Biggest problem (for me) is programming the uC to write to the USB drive. I'll have to ask "Mee" for some help there.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Your wording is so apropos I wanted to make a system without the typical mechanical float so I looked for some electronic method. Long story short, I came across the link below as the simplest way (minus the RF parts) to do what I wanted*.

http://www.merl.com/papers/docs/TR2002-21.pdf

------------ CAUTION GEEK ALERT CAUTION -------------------
-- Look away now or you'll be "Dilbert-ized" and be unable to have children or anything recognizable as a life --

*So what did I want ... well I wanted to be able to have a system that recorded the highs and lows of the water level for a week unattended. That meant some storage device like the ubiquitous USB flash "drives" we see. Better yet I wanted to record enough measurements in fine enough increments (+/-5' in 8 bits = ~0.5" resolution) to be able to reconstruct the each wave moment by moment (? 10 Hz, more ?), not just record the highest high, the lowest low. I wanted to be able to time stamp the measurements and lastly it had to be cheap enough that several could be built w/o breaking my "frugal" nature So a simple micro-controller (uC) like in the URL, a parallel plate capacitor that sits partial submerged, a reference cap, a battery, a USB drive, some switches and an LCD display for user input/output and the mechanical housing, PWB, etc and you have it ... the Winni Wave-o-meter. Clamp it to your dock post or perhaps anchor it offshore and once a week swap USB drives. Review the data on your PC using Excel or such. Next time people are talking about wave or wake heights we might actually have some facts to back them up Biggest problem (for me) is programming the uC to write to the USB drive. I'll have to ask "Mee" for some help there.

Oh my, you are serious about this, as with most good ideas, someone usually (but not always) has thought of it before. So, being the lazy engineer (mechanical) that I am I googled wave sensor and came up with this link, http://www.oceansensorsystems.com/pr...htm#WaveLogger looks like just what the doctor ordered and those cocktails taste much better when you don't have to work while drinking them. In fact, you can even download their logging software. I wonder if they would let us "evaluate" a couple for a few weeks?

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by ITD

Oh my, you are serious about this, as with most good ideas, someone usually (but not always) has thought of it before. So, being the lazy engineer (mechanical) that I am I googled wave sensor and came up with this link, http://www.oceansensorsystems.com/pr...htm#WaveLogger looks like just what the doctor ordered and those cocktails taste much better when you don't have to work while drinking them. In fact, you can even download their logging software. I wonder if they would let us "evaluate" a couple for a few weeks?

Looks like just what the doctor ordered ! I didn't see a price list but I'll make the leap and guess it's more than I'd care to pay (like that's a leap) Good info though, sounds like 30 Hz is a better sampling rate. So let's see 30 x 60 secs x 60 mins x 24 hrs x 7 days * 1.25 FF = ~ 23 MB of storage. No problem there. I may actually have to make one, if only to get (back) into uC programming and to learn the tools. Many fun and useful widgets can be made from them.

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Looks like just what the doctor ordered ! I didn't see a price list but I'll make the leap and guess it's more than I'd care to pay (like that's a leap) Good info though, sounds like 30 Hz is a better sampling rate. So let's see 30 x 60 secs x 60 mins x 24 hrs x 7 days * 1.25 FF = ~ 23 MB of storage. No problem there. I may actually have to make one, if only to get (back) into uC programming and to learn the tools. Many fun and useful widgets can be made from them.

Warning geek alert!

I've got a couple 8051's and the assembler from the late 80's, but it's on 5.25 disks. I even have a few UV erasable eproms. Let me know where to send them. My wife keeps telling me to throw away all this stuff, but I knew it would come in handy some day. I wonder can you address 23 MB with an 8051, might need to bank swap.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by ITD

"...Erosion hasn't been that bad but you can see a fine cloud of silt in the water after every series of waves from wakes..."

Effects of our present high-water episode won't be noticed right away.

With our series of historical high-water extremes, embankments are washed of silt, mud, duff, sand, and will reshuffle the rocks that line the shores. The grasp that trees have on the shoreline are weakened, and trees one after the other, will fall into the lake. Sunlight, now newly admitted to the shallows, will promote long strands of algae—something that wasn't present when I first saw the lake.

This tree was photographed as it's a red pine that's succumbing at its roots and will eventually fall into the lake. Red pines seem to suffer erosion worse than white pines, and red pines in particular are declining in numbers around the lake.

There may be no better natural filter for lakewater than matted pine needles. The gradual loss of pines will likely result in greater velocity of runoff into the lake, resulting in more soil loss, faster rates of high water extremes, "improved" milfoil habitat, and more algae.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

"...Even when everyone complies with the law, bad things happen..."

Question: How much of Lake Winnipesaukee's floating debris, floating lumber, runoff, mud, erosion, waves, wakes, and stressed waterfront structures did you actually witness this past week?

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

"...*I'm remotivated to make a "Winni Wave-o-meter" to record wave and wake size and then do some tests to measure wake reduction vs distance. Then I can forward the data to Concord so they have something solid to base their decisions on..."

The makings of a very sensitive "Winni Wave-O-Meter" is sitting on your dock! (That being water-filled garbage cans.)

If you noticed, the wakes impacting your dock produce sympathetic concentric rings on the water's surface. The rings are most intense towards the center and will sometimes send up a jet of water!

To take advantage of those rings, you can set up a low-mass float with a lever attached. This will transmit the vibrations to a suitable display to demonstrate the intensity of wake impacts. It can even record the exhaust pulses from a noisy boat—and before the boat comes into sight! (And why I've long-suggested a seismometer be used to measure exhaust noise).

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ITD

Ah, you've graduated from build better docks to sandbags, I see progress. I haven't heard a good reason not have a lakewide NWZ, other than it will interfere with the "economic engine". Come to think of it, construction is an economic engine, builders should adopt some of these arguements.

Anyway, building walls, be they of concrete or sand seems to be ridiculous to me when a little courtesy will solve the problem. Oh well.

BTW, I think dams, even temporary ones are frowned upon by DES.

Progress or just a lack of reiteration? I still don't advocate poorly built docks even if you think poorly built docks are somehow progress. I don't claim to have all the answers but I cannot imagine how shoddy workmanship or lack of care for one's property has ever been the right thing to do

I suspect everyone agrees that courtesy will solve the problem. There isn't enough though. That's the reality that needs to be dealt with. Protecting your property hardly seems ridiculous to me. I'd swear it's common sense.

If the law (through the DES) does not allow you to protect your property and allows others to damage it, well, I guess you're hosed. You've obviously done your homework and realized nothing can ever be done. Sad to say it seems that giving up is the right thing to do in this case Perhaps I'm just too optimistic.

[KonaChick]

Dave R..you seem to think all our docks are made of lincoln logs....I don't get it.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Dave R..you seem to think all our docks are made of lincoln logs....I don't get it.

Have to admit, I don't get this either. Lincoln logs???

If you mean that I think all docks are easy to remove, I don't believe that. The association docks at our place in Maine are put in by crane. The docks we need to personally move are heavy, but on wheels. Very slick design, never any weather damage.

[Weirs guy]

I think at the end of the day the problems aren't with the boaters on this forum, as by your own claims most of you have stayed home. But telling us property owners to stop whining and relax isn't going to make it any better then us telling you boaters to slow down if their boats are still at the dock. I thought someone had proposed boaters self policing each other with air horns like in '98? I’d use one, but I doubt anyone would listen to one coming from shore. The MP is useless (I watched one MP boat Sunday night from 6:45 – 7:15 float off the Weirs town docks WATCHING boats break the NWZ). I’d fight city hall and the DES about a breakwater or such, but since the issue was only this weekend (high water, boats going to fast too close to shore) I don’t think the expense is justified.

So with those options gone, and my wife insistent that the paint ball gun will shoot father then 600’ , I’m open to suggestions.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Weirs guy

I think at the end of the day the problems aren't with the boaters on this forum, as by your own claims most of you have stayed home. But telling us property owners to stop whining and relax isn't going to make it any better then us telling you boaters to slow down if their boats are still at the dock. I thought someone had proposed boaters self policing each other with air horns like in '98? I’d use one, but I doubt anyone would listen to one coming from shore. The MP is useless (I watched one MP boat Sunday night from 6:45 – 7:15 float off the Weirs town docks WATCHING boats break the NWZ). I’d fight city hall and the DES about a breakwater or such, but since the issue was only this weekend (high water, boats going to fast too close to shore) I don’t think the expense is justified.

So with those options gone, and my wife insistent that the paint ball gun will shoot father then 600’ , I’m open to suggestions.

The next flood is the one I'd be planning for. Statistically, there's plenty of time to apply for permits if you think you can design something that'll help.

My potato cannon is good for just about 600 feet using Aqua Net hair spray as propellent and Russetts as ammo. I can send you the plans.

[Weirs guy]

Originally Posted by Dave R

My potato cannon is good for just about 600 feet using Aqua Net hair spray as propellent and Russetts as ammo. I can send you the plans.

Hmm.......

And speaking of the media helping spread the word, did anyone else catch WMUR's 6 a.m. broadcast yesterday when they announced that the NWZ was 60' out? No wonder people from out of town don't know whats going on!

[Belmont Resident]

Some observations from this Sundays ride.

We left the Lakeport end or Paugus Bay, only 2 other performance boats to be seen all the way up 2 the channel. Paugus bay was full of family boats all jockeying for the ability to get up on plane while pushing the headway speed thing in essence making a larger wake than if they were on plane. In the channel everyone was in a rush to go nowhere. Boaters driving up the sides in an attempt to cut in further up.
Took us ½ hour to get through the channel. Went out around eagle island noticed almost all runabouts with families and some cruisers. Once out in the open we got up to about 60, went by the Witches past Welch Island and ran over to Trexlers marina where we stopped to wait for another boat. On the way over we noticed one carver making about a 4’ wake.
While drifting we were passed by a fishing boat within 50’.
We spent time helping a disabled boat then left for home. We took the route between Bear and Mark Island traveling at headway until we got past Mark Island.
We were passed by several boats all traveling within 100’while on plane.
One particularly close call by a grey sided Formula cruiser from Lakeport marina. He passed within 50’ of us while within 100’ of the tip of Mark Island then we witnessed him and every other boat around us blow the NWZ off Governors Island.
The rest of the trip back to the dock was uneventful.
Not once did we see a performance boater do anything wrong, not that we saw many of them out there anyways. 95% of the boats were runabouts or cruisers.
This was my son’s last ride for 2 years; he leaves to go over seas this month to fight a war I do not believe in for a president I despise.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Dave R

I suspect everyone agrees that courtesy will solve the problem. There isn't enough though. That's the reality that needs to be dealt with.

Bingo, I suspect the useless proclaimation of a 600' NWZ was the result of a poll watching puffed suit in the NH corner office. Good leaders are hard to find. Tough decisions are hard to make.

Originally Posted by Dave R

Protecting your property hardly seems ridiculous to me. I'd swear it's common sense.

Let's try this one more time, I think we agree on the basic concepts, we just don't agree as to the extent to which they should be carried out. I want to try an analogy here. Suppose your house is robbed. You've taken reasonable precautions, dead bolts, locked your windows, alarm system still you got robbed. I come along and say "Pfft, Dave, there is much more you could have done, this is your fault" . "Why you should have barred all your windows, and installed steel plates over your doors. Dug a moat around your home, filled it with alligators and water and installed a draw bridge." "Then you will be safe and I will listen to your complaint about being robbed, otherwise, suck it up and be quiet."

You, Dave, say to yourself, "Well he does have a point, there is more I could have done." "However, if I bar up my windows, and install steel plates over my door, my quality of life will diminish". "If I dig a moat, fill it with alligators and build a draw bridge, my neighbors won't be too happy, the natural beauty of my lot will be destroyed. Never mind the issue of alligator dung all over my lawn." "At first glance, ITD's bars and moats seem like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But who wants to live next to a moat?"

All right, I have too much time on my hands.........

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ITD

Bingo, I suspect the useless proclaimation of a 600' NWZ was the result of a poll watching puffed suit in the NH corner office. Good leaders are hard to find. Tough decisions are hard to make.




Let's try this one more time, I think we agree on the basic concepts, we just don't agree as to the extent to which they should be carried out. I want to try an analogy here. Suppose your house is robbed. You've taken reasonable precautions, dead bolts, locked your windows, alarm system still you got robbed. I come along and say "Pfft, Dave, there is much more you could have done, this is your fault" . "Why you should have barred all your windows, and installed steel plates over your doors. Dug a moat around your home, filled it with alligators and water and installed a draw bridge." "Then you will be safe and I will listen to your complaint about being robbed, otherwise, suck it up and be quiet."

You, Dave, say to yourself, "Well he does have a point, there is more I could have done." "However, if I bar up my windows, and install steel plates over my door, my quality of life will diminish". "If I dig a moat, fill it with alligators and build a draw bridge, my neighbors won't be too happy, the natural beauty of my lot will be destroyed. Never mind the issue of alligator dung all over my lawn." "At first glance, ITD's bars and moats seem like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But who wants to live next to a moat?"

All right, I have too much time on my hands.........

Point taken.

[KonaChick]

Originally Posted by jrc

Careful Dave, that batch of tar and feathers they whipped up for me has your name on it.

JRC that would be a waste of a perfectly good batch of tar and feathers...especially since I plan to use them to patch up the holes in my rickety dock.

[jrc]

good to see a sense of humor

[Airwaves]

This is my second, and last post on this topic.

I thought the topic dealt with wake and enforcement.

One last time I will suggest that transparency is the great equalizer!

Will one of the newspapers, daily or weekly, publish Marine Patrol calls, responses etc. like they do with town police and fire depts? Maybe even the Manchester Union Leader since the MP has boats in all state waterways and along the coast?

If the "log" is published and made pubic *BTW the log IS a public document* then we can stop all this name calling crap!

I thought the name calling went away with the end of the 45/25 legislation, apparently I am wrong.

If I am wrong about the animosity spilling over from the 45/25 issue then this is my last post.