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Old 01-16-2020, 01:48 PM   #1
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I've been servicing care and trucks going on 50 years now and I don't recommend FLL's method, esp if you have nice aluminum rims!

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An el cheapo propane torch is about 2000-f degrees, while an acetylene torch is about 6000-f degrees, plus you can always spray down the aluminum wheel rim with water before applying heat to the lug nut, and keep the flame to a low pencil point so's just the lug nut gets heated. Plus, it does not take too much heat to get the lubricant to get drawn up the threads inside the threaded lug nut.

Just a little bit of heat goes a long way, here, to make the lube work better.
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I'm sorry but taking heat to a wheel is not exactly great advice. The clearcoat on the aluminum wheels will take a hit for sure.

For swelled lug nuts, I've had good success using a nut extractor and a whole lot of hate and anger directed toward a 3' breaker bar.
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By using a propane torch with the flame set to a low level, it is not too difficult to apply the heat directly to the lug nut or lug bolt without applying the heat to the aluminum wheel rim. Just a wee bit of flame heat, just enough to make the stuck fastener a wee bit warm will encourage and facilitate the Super Tech Lubricant to slide down along the threads of either the nut or the bolt which will help to loosen it up with a large 4-way lug wrench.

While blind-folded and with hands tied behind my back ..... I can undo the most stubborn lug nut every time ..... by this method ...... you understand! I am like sooooo gooood at this that I should go get myself a job working for Triple-A, the AAA, doing flat tire service calls.
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By using a propane torch with the flame set to a low level, it is not too difficult to apply the heat directly to the lug nut or lug bolt without applying the heat to the aluminum wheel rim. Just a wee bit of flame heat, just enough to make the stuck fastener a wee bit warm will encourage and facilitate the Super Tech Lubricant to slide down along the threads of either the nut or the bolt which will help to loosen it up with a large 4-way lug wrench.

While blind-folded and with hands tied behind my back ..... I can undo the most stubborn lug nut every time ..... by this method ...... you understand! I am like sooooo gooood at this that I should go get myself a job working for Triple-A, the AAA, doing flat tire service calls.
Ya, you should do that! Get a job, that is.
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I've been lucky, so far my go to method when I have a hint or suspect that things are about to go wrong with a stubborn nut is the go to the next closest socket that is smaller even if its from a different set including metric's and hand fit it on to the nut to make sure it is the tightest fit you can possibly get. Even if I'm doing it by hand I use a high quality impact sockets.

As Biggd probably knows the biggest problem is knowing your going to have problems if you don't think a little be before you round over the nut and have two things to fix.
They do sell extractor sockets that are made specifically for getting off rounded lug nuts. You hammer them on and they grip the rounded socket. Sometimes we have to use these after the owners tried to get them off and there's no hex left but it's a PITA!
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They do sell extractor sockets that are made specifically for getting off rounded lug nuts. You hammer them on and they grip the rounded socket. Sometimes we have to use these after the owners tried to get them off and there's no hex left but it's a PITA!
So how do you get the bad nut out of the socket to use it again? Like I said before, one of mine had to be bashed out with a hammer and chisel. I considered hammering the oversized socket onto the nut but reconsidered because of this reason.
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Do an image search for nut extractor. You'll see the reverse fluting on the socket. It grips the nut in the loosening direction and will release it with a couple taps against a hard surface.

EDIT: You will want to hammer the extractor onto the nut then go to town on the loosening.
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When I got about half way through, I began wincing with pain. First time having this reaction reading "The Forum"...
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So how do you get the bad nut out of the socket to use it again? Like I said before, one of mine had to be bashed out with a hammer and chisel. I considered hammering the oversized socket onto the nut but reconsidered because of this reason.
When using the extractors I usually put the nut in a vise and turn it the opposite way, tighten, and it comes right out. You can't do that if you just pound a smaller socket on.
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So how do you get the bad nut out of the socket to use it again? Like I said before, one of mine had to be bashed out with a hammer and chisel. I considered hammering the oversized socket onto the nut but reconsidered because of this reason.
Thread a spare, same-sized, bolt in from the opposite direction, rest the socket on an open vise, pipe, or larger socket, and drive the nut out.
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Thread a spare, same-sized, bolt in from the opposite direction, rest the socket on an open vise, pipe, or larger socket, and drive the nut out.
These lugnuts are only open on one end. Think of them more as a nut/cap.

Anyway my problem has been solved and I won’t have to deal with it as long as I have this truck.
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Anyway my problem has been solved and I won’t have to deal with it as long as I have this truck.
Just left the truck on jackstands in the driveway, eh?
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Just left the truck on jackstands in the driveway, eh?
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Just left the truck on jackstands in the driveway, eh?
I don't "catch" your drift...probably a Ford vs Chevy comment?
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For those that don't know, tires actually have a date of manufacture. Most reputable places will NOT sell tires that have aged more than 2 years or remount past 6 years as this is the recommended tire life. Most of these "discount" chains, Tire Warehouse, VIP, Town Fair Tire, Walmart etc.... buy massive quantities of tires that are aged 2-3+ years and fire sale them at cheap prices, significantly undercutting everyone else for the exact same tire. Passing their savings on to the customer huh? This is both potentially dangerous and dishonest.

When working as a mechanic at a dealership we were not allowed to mount tires that had aged more than 1 year. This is to ensure the customer can take advantage of the full MFG warranty which often times expires within 2-3 years of the date of manufacture. One of the reasons discount chains try to upsell you a separate 'warranty' is they know many if not all the tires they are selling are at or already beyond the standard MFG warranty. They won't tell you this, not until you have a problem and this is regardless of how long they have been on the vehicle or mileage on the tire.

The purpose of this is to ensure the integrity of the tire as they do break down with age, it's NOT just about how much tread is visible.

The DOT has actually been lobbied to mandate an expiration date as data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration shows tires over 6 years old are highly susceptible to failure. Some manufacturers are already starting to stamp their tires with expiration dates on their own. Probably for liability.

I always check the date codes on the new tires that have been put on my vehicles.
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Default ....... Goodyear Viva-3's

Goodyear Viva-3 tires are only sold locally at the Walmart's in Tilton and Plymouth.

Unless you have a wicked steep driveway or live off the grid somewhere, way down a dirt road in Moultonborough, you don't really need snow tires for driving these here parts in central New Hampshire ...... a-yuh! ...... Walmart Goodyear Viva-3 all season tires will get you there without the very noisy snow tire treads that wear out fast.

Plus, when you buy all four tires from Walmart they will do freebie tire rotations on your car as long you have the tires. So's, while getting a $19.88 pit stop oil change, 5-qts Quaker State oil and a new oil filter, you get the tires rotated, no-charge, and have a k-cup of donut shop regular, on the house, there, at Walmart.

If Walmart was a little smarter, they would have a tray of free, chocolate covered, Boston cream filled donuts for their early morning, 7-8am customers ....... just a suggestion, here, and they would probably sell more of those incredibly excellent Viva-3 tires.

All tires are round and black, but only Walmart has the Goodyear Viva-3!
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Goodyear Viva-3 tires are only sold locally at the Walmart's in Tilton and Plymouth.

Unless you have a wicked steep driveway or live off the grid somewhere, way down a dirt road in Moultonborough, you don't really need snow tires for driving these here parts in central New Hampshire ...... a-yuh! ...... Walmart Goodyear Viva-3 all season tires will get you there without the very noisy snow tire treads that wear out fast.

Plus, when you buy all four tires from Walmart they will do freebie tire rotations on your car as long you have the tires. So's, while getting a $19.88 pit stop oil change, 5-qts Quaker State oil and a new oil filter, you get the tires rotated, no-charge, and have a k-cup of donut shop regular, on the house, there, at Walmart.

If Walmart was a little smarter, they would have a tray of free, chocolate covered, Boston cream filled donuts for their early morning, 7-8am customers ....... just a suggestion, here, and they would probably sell more of those incredibly excellent Viva-3 tires.

All tires are round and black, but only Walmart has the Goodyear Viva-3!

That tire, the speed and UTQG rating alone indicates they are garbage - not that the overwhelmingly negative professional reviews of them prove that point as well. Shocking it is a Wal-Mart exclusive that says a lot just in and of itself.

LOL once again you show your combined ignorance and obsession with price point.
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Driving my 2014, made in Japan, econo-box, with about 190,000-miles, all the miles except for the new factory original tires have been driven with Viva-3, which cost $75-each at Walmart, installed, or $65-tire plus $10-install and dispose of old tire.

Fastest I ever drive is 71-mph, on Rt-93, and the Viva 3 will last for about 25,000 miles, and I always get them rotated for free with every oil change.

Am still on the original four spark plugs and continuous rubber belt so I probably need to replace the spark plugs and maybe the belt.

www.rockauto.com is where I go for parts, like a six dollar pcv valve and for original style hub caps that have rolled off and been lost, and to Walmart for wiper blades and replacement light bulbs. There's a huge difference between the cheapest wiper blades and the next price up with how much better it works, and ditto that for head light, light bulbs, too.
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Driving my 2014, made in Japan, econo-box, with about 190,000-miles, all the miles except for the new factory original tires have been driven with Viva-3, which cost $75-each at Walmart, installed, or $65-tire plus $10-install and dispose of old tire.

Fastest I ever drive is 71-mph, on Rt-93, and the Viva 3 will last for about 25,000 miles, and I always get them rotated for free with every oil change.

Am still on the original four spark plugs and continuous rubber belt so I probably need to replace the spark plugs and maybe the belt.

www.rockauto.com is where I go for parts, like a six dollar pcv valve and for original style hub caps that have rolled off and been lost, and to Walmart for wiper blades and replacement light bulbs. There's a huge difference between the cheapest wiper blades and the next price up with how much better it works, and ditto that for head light, light bulbs, too.
Well you must be darn proud of the fact you are getting 25K out of a set of tires that cost you $75 a piece. Congratulations. Reality is that is awful, downright dismal tread life and you are replacing tires 2 to 3 times more often than you should considering what you are driving. By the way, speed ratings on tires have NOTHING to do with how fast you drive on them.

Walmart loves the gullible like you, keeps you occupied\distracted with "free stuff" all while selling you garbage at massive markups, guaranteed to break or wear out quickly so you can come back and buy more more more. It's a retail "casino" built to screw the masses and the house wins big every time. Walmart stock holders thank you for your continued loyal patronage.
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Well you must be darn proud of the fact you are getting 25K out of a set of tires that cost you $75 a piece. Congratulations. Reality is that is awful, downright dismal tread life and you are replacing tires 2 to 3 times more often than you should considering what you are driving. By the way, speed ratings on tires have NOTHING to do with how fast you drive on them.

Walmart loves the gullible like you, keeps you occupied\distracted with "free stuff" all while selling you garbage at massive markups, guaranteed to break or wear out quickly so you can come back and buy more more more. It's a retail "casino" built to screw the masses and the house wins big every time. Walmart stock holders thank you for your continued loyal patronage.
Exceed the ratings for very long, tire heats up--and pow!

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As far as I know, the new 2020 Corolla sedan 4-door is not made with a 5-speed manual any more, plus it has a huge computer style screen in the center of the dash board, at eye level. So, that makes the new Corolla for $19,200 a total no-go for me.

Who knows, but when ever my car dies at 250,000 miles or something(?) maybe I can find a 2017 Corolla with a 5-speed manual and no big computer screen at Cupple's or at Blaudecki's or somewhere with 75000 miles for $7500 in maybe the year, 2022.

Helloooooooo 2022 ....... what you got???
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When working as a mechanic at a dealership we were not allowed to mount tires that had aged more than 1 year. This is to ensure the customer can take advantage of the full MFG warranty which often times expires within 2-3 years of the date of manufacture. One of the reasons discount chains try to upsell you a separate 'warranty' is they know many if not all the tires they are selling are at or already beyond the standard MFG warranty. They won't tell you this, not until you have a problem and this is regardless of how long they have been on the vehicle or mileage on the tire.
You must have had a great dealership. My in-law Toyota were fitted with Goodyear Assurance as OEM tires. They were garbage, only 20K on them. Notice the date of mfg were almost a decade ago. So the local dealership do not have the policy.
In-law replace the tires with the Weather Ready as I have recommended. There was a $200 factory rebate on a set of 4. The dealer claimed the discount is only from the Goodyear dealer, not them. A trip to Belknap and they told me the dealer should fill the papers for the rebate. Belknap also told me the dealer is known to 'pocket' customers rebates. Go figure!
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I found them--listed as an "acorn" nut.
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