Something to think about.

[Flylady]

Sadly we are most likely here because of our President's decision to deny the risks early on. I know from a family member living in VT, that they became ill after a business trip to China in early January. Because of their knowledge of the issues in China they informed their doctor of the possibility of Corona. CDC was brought in and performed a test, which failed as the test kits used at that time were faulty. They interviewed other people exposed and had them stay home for 2 weeks.. Thankfully the family member has fully recovered and no other member of the family contracted it, however CDC at the time quietly contained this information as the higher ups insisted it was not a problem.
My point is use common sense and listen to the medical professionals that are now freely speaking out.

[geordie]

Political nonsense? You are referring to what the administration is saying? A lot of people may die because this wasn't stopped hard.

I don't have the figures for every day in Italy, but the growth rate is around 15% per day across all countries taking no effective measures. Death rate is 3.4% worldwide, 7.3% in Italy with 8% more critical at this time.

What does 15% mean? 100 times in 33 days, 10,000 times in 66 days. For the US it means 3,000,000 infected and 100,000 to 220,000 dead by June. The US medical system doesn't even provide medical care for all. I don't mean free, I mean any. So how will it cope with 400,000 critical cases needing breathing support.

A colleague of a friend was in work last Tuesday with a sore throat, she went home on time and called in sick the next day. Worked from home. Found dead on Thursday morning. This thing goes fast if you are old. Kids aren't affected.

Germany thinks 70% of people will get it. That would be 210,000,000 in the US with, at best, 7 million dead.

Belknap county has a population around 61,000. 7.3% of 70% of 61,000 will die if they don't stop this disease. Imagine 3,100 funerals in Belknap county this year. But at least Trump has announced he's cutting medicaid and social security, so the remaining rich folks will be better off.

[winterh]

We are "not here" because of any decisions by the administration. We are here because there is a rampant virus that is incredibly hard to stop and originated in a country that does not value human life and hid and lied about what was going on. A country that has bought and sold members of both parties for years now. One which this administration has finally confronted in many ways.
I am sure they could have done some things better as no one would handle this perfectly but do you really think the country would be better off with either of the 2 on display last night. The communist or the dementia patient, neither of whom who have ever held a real job in their life.
This is one of those rare times in life when everyone should just stop complaining and do what you can to help. A few months from now when its over you can rip into Trump all you want.

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by winterh

We are "not here" because of any decisions by the administration. We are here because there is a rampant virus that is incredibly hard to stop and originated in a country that does not value human life and hid and lied about what was going on. A country that has bought and sold members of both parties for years now. One which this administration has finally confronted in many ways.
I am sure they could have done some things better as no one would handle this perfectly but do you really think the country would be better off with either of the 2 on display last night. The communist or the dementia patient, neither of whom who have ever held a real job in their life.
This is one of those rare times in life when everyone should just stop complaining and do what you can to help. A few months from now when its over you can rip into Trump all you want.

A lot of your opinion could be discussed by reasonable people. But the suggestion that this WILL be over in a few months is not supportable by scientific opinion.

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Sadly we are most likely here because of our President's decision to deny the risks early on. I know from a family member living in VT, that they became ill after a business trip to China in early January. Because of their knowledge of the issues in China they informed their doctor of the possibility of Corona. CDC was brought in and performed a test, which failed as the test kits used at that time were faulty. They interviewed other people exposed and had them stay home for 2 weeks.. Thankfully the family member has fully recovered and no other member of the family contracted it, however CDC at the time quietly contained this information as the higher ups insisted it was not a problem.
My point is use common sense and listen to the medical professionals that are now freely speaking out.

Sadly 22 milion people were infected with the swine flu during Obamas term...4,000 died and nothing was closed.No schools,restaurants or churches
The media praised him

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Sadly 22 milion people were infected with the swine flu during Obamas term...4,000 died and nothing was closed.No schools,restaurants or churches
The media praised him

That is because the MSM back the supported, ummm... "them". If the Lakes Region can remain a clean spot, it would be a real draw, if only it would happen.

[TheRoBoat]

is a mortality rate of .02

If Swine Flu had same mortality rate as Covid it would have been over a million deaths.

There's a little bit of a difference here

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Sadly 22 milion people were infected with the swine flu during Obamas term...4,000 died and nothing was closed.No schools,restaurants or churches
The media praised him

This virus is in the beginning stages. Let's all pray that it doesn't get to 4000 deaths. So let's put the praises on hold.

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[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Sadly 22 milion people were infected with the swine flu during Obamas term...4,000 died and nothing was closed.No schools,restaurants or churches
The media praised him

School most certainly were closed for periods during H1N1.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by AB_Monterey

School most certainly were closed for periods during H1N1.

Not in New Hampshire or New York.


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[Garcia]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Not in New Hampshire or New York.


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No in MA, or at least not where i am

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by Garcia

No in MA, or at least not where i am

There were schools closed in MA as well.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by AB_Monterey

There were schools closed in MA as well.

I'm sure there were, but not near me. During H1N1 decisions, for better or worse, were made at the local level not the state or federal level. At least that's how it seemed to me at the time (and yes, I have worked in schools for almost 30 years).

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by Garcia

I'm sure there were, but not near me. During H1N1 decisions, for better or worse, were made at the local level not the state or federal level. At least that's how it seemed to me at the time (and yes, I have worked in schools for almost 30 years).

They need to flatten the curve. The best way to do that would be mass testing as they did in S. Korea and which seems to be having that result. They had their first case on the same day as the US. The feds screwed that up by not having test kits available here while refusing the kits from the WHO so this is what we're left with as an option. Things will get worse. Much worse. I've been told to be prepared to WFH for the remainder of the year so when Trump says it could extend past August, you should take that seriously.

[Lakegeezer]

I'm waiting for an antibody test to become widely available. It would prove that you've had CV-19 and fought it off. Some people are apparently fighting off this virus with only mild effects. It would be nice, and only right, if they could get on with their lives while the rest of us wait for it to pass. Some of these survivors could take over jobs that put people at risk, like in healthcare and grocery stores.

Update: There is at least one antibody test supply https://www.biomedomics.com/products...e/covid-19-rt/

[Mr. V]

Some of these survivors could take over jobs that put people at risk, like in healthcare and grocery stores.

Has it been established with certainly that people who have had the coronavirus are immune from getting it again?

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Not in New Hampshire or New York.


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:Timing and extent of school closings
School closures during the pandemic's first wave occurred in several rough phases. Initially, schools were closed on a somewhat ad hoc basis. After CDC issued preliminary guidance on April 26, schools with 2009 H1N1 cases generally closed for at least seven days. On May 1, CDC changed its guidance to suggest 14 days of closure, and most schools with cases closed with the intent to remain shuttered for 14 days. However, CDC guidance changed again on May 5 to say that closure was generally not necessary. After May 5, most schools did not close after a case was identified, with the notable exception of the New York City school system, which continued closing schools to protect particularly vulnerable children into June. A timeline of major school closure events is provided in Table ​Table11."

June 2, 2009 - New York City closes its final school in response to 2009 H1N1. New York continued school closures well after CDC ceased recommending closure, with the justification that closure would protect particularly vulnerable students from within-school transmission