New Dive Location?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Am I the only one who avoids the Weirs because of wave action pounding the boats at the docks?

I've never felt that was a problem. Obviously more traffic going by than say, Meredith which is a dead end. Weirs Bay has the traffic, but the docks are somewhat protected from prevailing winds. Doesn't matter, wherever I tie up, I hang fenders. Problem, if any, solved.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Descant

I've never felt that was a problem. Obviously more traffic going by than say, Meredith which is a dead end. Weirs Bay has the traffic, but the docks are somewhat protected from prevailing winds. Doesn't matter, wherever I tie up, I hang fenders. Problem, if any, solved.

I've got fenders, too, but I've always watched my boat getting pounded against the docks from above. I may try using bungee ropes instead of regular rope next time.

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[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I've got fenders, too, but I've always watched my boat getting pounded against the docks from above. I may try using bungee ropes instead of regular rope next time.

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You shouldn't need that! As long as you find a dock with good post bumpers (the 2X6 or 2X8 uprights attached to many lake docks). I can't recall the docks at the Weirs but Meredith has them on 2/3 of their docks. The post bumpers will allow your boat to ride with the wake. Tied properly, you should not need to deploy a fender with post bumpers.

[Woodsy]

There is a pretty simple compromise here.... that benefits the city and the Dive.

The City should lease (5 year/option to renew) the outermost finger to the Dive (closest to the beach). This is currently the pick up/drop off area. Move the pick up/drop off to the other side of the same finger... This buys the City some time to decide IF they want to reconfigure the docks, and HOW they may want to do so.... without being constrained by any "new" construction to the docks. We all know how slowly the wheels of progress turn in the Weirs!

The Dive (as proposed) can pay for the improvements necessary for them to operate (electrical/sewage) and also pay to relocate those services should the docks be reconfigured.

If the City decides to reconfigure the dock, the Dive can then pay for one of those fingers in return for a long term lease (as proposed)

In this scenario... everybody wins.

Woodsy

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

There is a pretty simple compromise here.... that benefits the city and the Dive.

The City should lease (5 year/option to renew) the outermost finger to the Dive (closest to the beach). This is currently the pick up/drop off area. Move the pick up/drop off to the other side of the same finger... This buys the City some time to decide IF they want to reconfigure the docks, and HOW they may want to do so.... without being constrained by any "new" construction to the docks. We all know how slowly the wheels of progress turn in the Weirs!

The Dive (as proposed) can pay for the improvements necessary for them to operate (electrical/sewage) and also pay to relocate those services should the docks be reconfigured.

If the City decides to reconfigure the dock, the Dive can then pay for one of those fingers in return for a long term lease (as proposed)

In this scenario... everybody wins.

Woodsy

Sounds like a reasonable, easy solution, but trust me, it won't be a simple fix.

[Sandyisl]

I have worked as captain for a floating restaurant.

I also lived on sandy island for many years where we cooked for 300 people daily (not a floating restaurant)

The business model doesn't work for a floating restaurant.
Our biggest issue was:
Financially Seasonal
Safety, Food Safety, WASTE disposal! Fresh water. Power. Cold Supply chain. Fuel, Electricity.
other problems of course weather, unruly patrons, unpredictable staff. Etc.

I don't understand how the coast guard is so strict on colregs72 and the CFRs, but something like this is ok on a Lake?

The restaurant I worked for was in inland waters and required a COI as a subchapter T Vessel which meant it was subject to a COI Certificate of Inspection that allows 149 Passengers. Requires a USCG Master 100ton in-lnand. Annual inspection, fire drills man overboard, waste pollution plan the whole 9.
BUT the restaurant was still a FAIL, ultimately too many fines and regulations, rightfully so, Bagged for dumping waste!

Look it up. The Rockmore Restaurant.

This is what a floating restaurant does to a community.

The environmental impacts of a floating restaurant are ten-fold what anyone thinks.


Also consider the way the rockmore was opperated was a registered business in Marblehead MA, But water access thru Salem, MA public pier.

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by Sandyisl

I have worked as captain for a floating restaurant.

I also lived on sandy island for many years where we cooked for 300 people daily (not a floating restaurant)

The business model doesn't work for a floating restaurant.
Our biggest issue was:
Financially Seasonal
Safety, Food Safety, WASTE disposal! Fresh water. Power. Cold Supply chain. Fuel, Electricity.
other problems of course weather, unruly patrons, unpredictable staff. Etc.

I don't understand how the coast guard is so strict on colregs72 and the CFRs, but something like this is ok on a Lake?

The restaurant I worked for was in inland waters and required a COI as a subchapter T Vessel which meant it was subject to a COI Certificate of Inspection that allows 149 Passengers. Requires a USCG Master 100ton in-lnand. Annual inspection, fire drills man overboard, waste pollution plan the whole 9.
BUT the restaurant was still a FAIL, ultimately too many fines and regulations, rightfully so, Bagged for dumping waste!

Look it up. The Rockmore Restaurant.

This is what a floating restaurant does to a community.

The environmental impacts of a floating restaurant are ten-fold what anyone thinks.


Also consider the way the rockmore was opperated was a registered business in Marblehead MA, But water access thru Salem, MA public pier.

I have as well worked on a floating restaurant, which has been very successful and has locations all over the country. Done right, it works. I do not see a problem with them making a go at this, why not

The true issue, sorry one of the main issues is the docks themselves, they are tight long fingers that you cant access due to the width restraints.

On a side note: Aqua marine put in new dock structures, I see that WOW has taken down one of their slip buildings, and put docks in, it seems like money greases the wheels for dock expansions, but I do not see why the town would run into any restrictions to put new docks in or a new configuration in.

I am not against the ventures listed above putting new docks in, in fact in am in favor of new docks around the lake, but when doing our docks we were not able to replace like in kind and had to reconfigure to a smaller size that was there before damage for numerous years???

[FlyingScot]

Very informative, Sandyisi. A couple of follow on thoughts:

I don't want to suggest the Dive guys are criminals like the Rockmore guys, but the example does highlight the extreme difficulty of disposing of an awful lot of contaminated water. I suppose the town/state should ask the Dive to prove they are doing this correctly.

The difficulties you highlight of water vs land suggest a floating restaurant may need to charge much higher prices especially if it is paying a market rent for dock space. I have not been on the Dive--I wonder how its prices compare?

[Descant]

Sandy, prior to you joining the Forum there was a lengthy discussion here about many of the questions you raise.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...highlight=Dive

[Sandyisl]

Originally Posted by Descant

Sandy, prior to you joining the Forum there was a lengthy discussion here about many of the questions you raise.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...highlight=Dive

Alright then my opinion voiced, I don't want that type of operation, their waste or their type of clientele in the lake.

trashy

[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by Sandyisl

Alright then my opinion voiced, I don't want that type of operation, their waste or their type of clientele in the lake.

trashy

You do know that a good number of us are part of that clientele?

Their food is terrible, but IMO it's the best place to sit with a drink and watch fireworks at WB on weekends over the summer. Never saw it get overly loud or rowdy, as I have at some places across the street that noone seems to speak poorly of.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Sandyisl

Alright then my opinion voiced, I don't want that type of operation, their waste or their type of clientele in the lake.

trashy

Well isn't that special. Never been, now, I will have to go!

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Sandyisl

Alright then my opinion voiced, I don't want that type of operation, their waste or their type of clientele in the lake.

trashy

Pretty bold statement there.. Sandy! I think you might want to reconsider your post. Your lack of class is showing!

Woodsy

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Sandyisl

Alright then my opinion voiced, I don't want that type of operation, their waste or their type of clientele in the lake.

trashy

Typical "beautiful person" attitude. Boy, would I love to be your neighbor!! We could have lot's of fun...!!!

[Susie Cougar]

If there is a limit to how many people they can let on board, will they be able to make enough profit to make it worthwhile?

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

If there is a limit to how many people they can let on board, will they be able to make enough profit to make it worthwhile?

There most definitely is a limit, any floating structure would, although I don't know what it is. They are making it so far, and I hope they continue to do so. I have not been on board yet myself, but I will get on it one of these days.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

If there is a limit to how many people they can let on board, will they be able to make enough profit to make it worthwhile?

Unfortunately, I think that will be the case with most restaurants and many other businesses that rely on crowds. I shudder to think about how many will be gone.

We have to figure out how to adapt if we ever want to see life somewhat "summer normal" (right now it is not that much different).

It is going to be tough around here for a lot of people, many whom are friends.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Unfortunately, I think that will be the case with most restaurants and many other businesses that rely on crowds. I shudder to think about how many will be gone.

We have to figure out how to adapt if we ever want to see life somewhat "summer normal" (right now it is not that much different).

It is going to be tough around here for a lot of people, many whom are friends.

Very true. Thinking barstools are out. Every other table removed. No crowding waiting for tables or seats at the bar. Maybe, reservations only would work. Thinking Funspot and other arcades are closed. Some won’t open again. Maybe this is where the current arcade building owners sell out? Thinking a A&W carhop would work in this environment. Your thoughts?


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[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Very true. Thinking barstools are out. Every other table removed. No crowding waiting for tables or seats at the bar. Maybe, reservations only would work. Thinking Funspot and other arcades are closed. Some won’t open again. Maybe this is where the current arcade building owners sell out? Thinking a A&W carhop would work in this environment. Your thoughts?


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All good thoughts. Regarding carhop, certainly especially for fast food. I am usually in NC/SC every other week or more and drive a lot- Sonics have become a good lunch stop.

I wasn't thinking about the Weirs- wow, talk about a place that needs a crowd

[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

All good thoughts. Regarding carhop, certainly especially for fast food. I am usually in NC/SC every other week or more and drive a lot- Sonics have become a good lunch stop.

I wasn't thinking about the Weirs- wow, talk about a place that needs a crowd

Maybe the silver lining, this might be what it takes to revamp. Out with the old and pathetically run down and in with the fresh and new. Tower Hill is re-doing the top of the street, maybe someone can do the other end.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Very true. Thinking barstools are out. Every other table removed. No crowding waiting for tables or seats at the bar. Maybe, reservations only would work. Thinking Funspot and other arcades are closed. Some won’t open again. Maybe this is where the current arcade building owners sell out? Thinking a A&W carhop would work in this environment. Your thoughts?

"Out on route one in Saugus, Come dressed just as you are. Adventure, where the service is great, and you never get out of your car..." When was the last time you had a "Ginsberger: served on a 45 rpm record? Woo Woo.

[salty dog]

Originally Posted by Descant

"Out on route one in Saugus, Come dressed just as you are. Adventure, where the service is great, and you never get out of your car..." When was the last time you had a "Ginsberger: served on a 45 rpm record? Woo Woo.

Arnie the "Woo"! "Adventure Car Hop is the place to go"!

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Very true. Thinking barstools are out. Every other table removed. No crowding waiting for tables or seats at the bar. Maybe, reservations only would work. Thinking Funspot and other arcades are closed. Some won’t open again. Maybe this is where the current arcade building owners sell out? Thinking a A&W carhop would work in this environment. Your thoughts?


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I wasn't even thinking about the virus' impact on the limit of people allowed on the Dive... Yes, that may have an impact because the season is so short for the Dive, although once things get going, (in general), I think most people have short memories and things will be back to "normal" quicker than you think. At least that is my hope...

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I wasn't even thinking about the virus' impact on the limit of people allowed on the Dive... Yes, that may have an impact because the season is so short for the Dive, although once things get going, (in general), I think most people have short memories and things will be back to "normal" quicker than you think. At least that is my hope...

That is what I was asking. Everyone seems to think that once New Hampshire opens, things will go on as normal. I don’t see how this can happen. If the Dive has to reduce its occupancy by 50%, can it still be profitable?
I personally feel that any establishment that is serving liquor is going to have a very hard time maintaining social distancing. It’s just the nature of the beast.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Thinking a A&W carhop would work in this environment. Your thoughts?


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Carhop or other drive in is a GREAT IDEA! My 20 y.o. daughter and her friends often prefer fast food drive thru and sit in the car to going inside. Also not too different than Tamarack

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Unfortunately, I think that will be the case with most restaurants and many other businesses that rely on crowds. I shudder to think about how many will be gone.

We have to figure out how to adapt if we ever want to see life somewhat "summer normal" (right now it is not that much different).

It is going to be tough around here for a lot of people, many whom are friends.

Agreed--it's brutal and sad. If I owned a restaurant, I think I'd hand the landlord the keys and ask when he'd like for me to vacate. All the while praying that the landlord recognizes that the current tenant, even when he can't pay rent, is still the guy most likely to be able to pay rent as we come out of this. This year, just surviving is success.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Agreed--it's brutal and sad. If I owned a restaurant, I think I'd hand the landlord the keys and ask when he'd like for me to vacate. All the while praying that the landlord recognizes that the current tenant, even when he can't pay rent, is still the guy most likely to be able to pay rent as we come out of this. This year, just surviving is success.

Yes, 100% agreed. The day of the shutdown, a friend that owns a restaurant locally said, over our last cocktail, that if it lasts a month he may end up selling for the real estate. I am sure he said it somewhat out of frustration, but only somewhat.

My sister has three restaurants in MA, they are doing a little takeout but over 100 people are laid off. Right now most people in the restaurant biz are doing OK as long as they were working above the table, but the additional $600 that most receive through unemployment will end in July (likely some extension will happen, but I am sure it will be more formula based). That is when the real pain may happen.