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[gravy boat]

Thank you. The only point I was making is that over 60 -- and mostly over 80 -- are the high risks based on the documented deaths attributed to Covid. AND that the onus is on high risk individuals to take extra precautions as the world reopens.

[Flylady]

What would help more to understand areas of "hotspots" is to include the numbers of illnesses and deaths that occured in nursing homes. Given the large percentage of NH population over 65 this could be very telling.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Thank you. The only point I was making is that over 60 -- and mostly over 80 -- are the high risks based on the documented deaths attributed to Covid. AND that the onus is on high risk individuals to take extra precautions as the world reopens.

Nationwide and worldwide there are lots of deaths of folks under 60 years old; but I digress.

It's not as easy as you assume it is for this class of folks ("mostly over 80") to take "extra precautions."

You seem to argue that they're the only ones who'd need to shelter in place, if I follow your logic: given the fact that most of these folks are either in assisted living or require some form of additional care by one or more third party care gover, how can they protect against getting infected by a younger care giver who takes no precautions while not working and likely will become a carrier?

No, to protect the older, susceptible class of potential victims all who come in contact with them must be covid-19 free, and the only way for that to happen is for them to follow the current draconian protocol.

Sorry, it just ain't as simple as you'd like it to be.

Then again, if you are arguing that the aged among us aren't worth saving, that they should be sacrificed for the sake of the economy, then I suppose your plan would be viable.

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Nationwide and worldwide there are lots of deaths of folks under 60 years old; but I digress.

It's not as easy as you assume it is for this class of folks ("mostly over 80") to take "extra precautions."

You seem to argue that they're the only ones who'd need to shelter in place, if I follow your logic: given the fact that most of these folks are either in assisted living or require some form of additional care by one or more third party care gover, how can they protect against getting infected by a younger care giver who takes no precautions while not working and likely will become a carrier?

No, to protect the older, susceptible class of potential victims all who come in contact with them must be covid-19 free, and the only way for that to happen is for them to follow the current draconian protocol.

Sorry, it just ain't as simple as you'd like it to be.

Then again, if you are arguing that the aged among us aren't worth saving, that they should be sacrificed for the sake of the economy, then I suppose your plan would be viable.

Point being that those who are able to protect themselves better should do so.

And you're not on the roof yet.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Point being that those who are able to protect themselves better should do so.

That begs the question, namely what in fact can folks in assisted living or who have in home care givers do to "protect themselves" if unbeknownst to anyone their care giver is an asymptomatic covid-19 carrier?

No offense to any qualified care givers, but the field of entry level workers without a CNA or equivalent is rife with rapid turnover by folks pretty much near the bottom of the pool of potential employees: about the same level as fast food workers.

Many are drug users and given the rotten wage they're paid it is wishful thinking to assume they'll follow all of the prophylactic requirements necessary to keep their vulnerable patients disease free.

Live Free And Die?

I sure hope not.

[gravy boat]

Interesting.

With my father in a nursing home (Covid free - the one resident in question was negative per the head nurse's call to me today) I trust that the staff are doing what is asked. During my weekly visits I had (not able to visit for 2 months) never seen someone as you described...ever. Perhaps it's more prevalent in highly populated areas? He is in hospice care at 93 years old...and not even hospice is allowed in the building any longer as hospice nurses travel around to various facilities and homes. Also mentioned today is that all staff and residents will be tested so I feel pretty confident he is good hands.

[Susie Cougar]

gravy boat, I am sorry you have to be going through something like this at this time.

[Chris M]

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just batten down the hatches completely for everyone in nursing homes and the elderly with underlying health conditions and those with compromised immune systems? Those poor people in those homes have NOT been protected.

My county has 2 covid19 cases. TWO. Closest one 30 miles away. Yet the governor ordered my business closed 6 weeks ago and I work outside. No income since and no definitive end in sight. They've created thousands of victims where none need to have existed and still didn't protect the most vulnerable among us.

Where is the logic in how this is being handled?

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Wouldn't it have made more sense to just batten down the hatches completely for everyone in nursing homes and the elderly with underlying health conditions and those with compromised immune systems? Those poor people in those homes have NOT been protected.

My county has 2 covid19 cases. TWO. Closest one 30 miles away. Yet the governor ordered my business closed 6 weeks ago and I work outside. No income since and no definitive end in sight. They've created thousands of victims where none need to have existed and still didn't protect the most vulnerable among us.

Where is the logic in how this is being handled?

I can’t disagree with you on this one...

I hope things turn around for you.

Dan

[TheProfessor]

05/15/2020

Yet the cases in both Belknap County and Carroll County went up. Still going UP.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

05/15/2020

Yet the cases in both Belknap County and Carroll County went up. Still going UP.

As we start to open more, and the number of people tested increases, there will be more cases. Remember: there is no baseline for how many cases there were because there wasn't enough testing—for all we know, there's no different in the number of cases.

That being said, I think the goal is a balance of living "normal"/reopening and common sense measures and protection for the most vulnerable.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

As we start to open more, and the number of people tested increases, there will be more cases. Remember: there is no baseline for how many cases there were because there wasn't enough testing—for all we know, there's no different in the number of cases.

That being said, I think the goal is a balance of living "normal"/reopening and common sense measures and protection for the most vulnerable.

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Well, yes...but that does not mean we should be reassured until identified cases start going down and we have enough understanding to know this is not going to spiral out of control.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Interesting.

With my father in a nursing home (Covid free - the one resident in question was negative per the head nurse's call to me today) I trust that the staff are doing what is asked. During my weekly visits I have never seen someone as you described...ever. Perhaps it's more prevalent in highly populated areas? He is in hospice care at 93 years old...and not even hospice is allowed in the building any longer as hospice nurses travel around to various facilities and homes. Also mentioned today is that all staff and residents will be tested so I feel pretty confident he is good hands.

Your father is lucky to be in rural NH where the infection rate isn't as high as in NYC or a meat packing plant for example.

You "trust" that the staff is doing what is asked: maybe, maybe not: heck, there's a lot of right wingers in NH who think this is all overblown and choose not follow protocol.

Just takes one mis-step by an employee to introduce the coronavirus and then the devil will dance.

Sixty-percent of folks who contract covid-19 and die are in nursing homes / assisted living IIRC.

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Your father is lucky to be in rural NH where the infection rate isn't as high as in NYC or a meat packing plant for example.

You "trust" that the staff is doing what is asked: maybe, maybe not: heck, there's a lot of right wingers in NH who think this is all overblown and choose not follow protocol.

Just takes one mis-step by an employee to introduce the coronavirus and then the devil will dance.

Sixty-percent of folks who contract covid-19 and die are in nursing homes / assisted living IIRC.

Sad but the nursing homes are the most vulnerable. Which is why I recommend my siblings to call and speak with the head nurse or administrator so they can dig in and ask questions directly.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Sad but the nursing homes are the most vulnerable. Which is why I recommend my siblings to call and speak with the head nurse or administrator so they can dig in and ask questions directly.

Your father is probably "lucky" he is in the lakes region as opposed to a major metropolitan area: so far you guys have "dodged a bullet" in terms of covid-19 deaths due to your being off the beaten path.

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Thank you. The only point I was making is that over 60 -- and mostly over 80 -- are the high risks based on the documented deaths attributed to Covid. AND that the onus is on high risk individuals to take extra precautions as the world reopens.

The masks only prevent the wearer from giving the virus to others.
The masks DO NOT prevent the wearer from getting the virus.

Where are the medical grade masks for people over age 60 ?

Where are the N95 masks for those people over the age of 60?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

The masks only prevent the wearer from giving the virus to others.
The masks DO NOT prevent the wearer from getting the virus.

Where are the medical grade masks for people over age 60 ?

Where are the N95 masks for those people over the age of 60?

For an N95 to be fully efficient it needs to be fit-tested. Hospitals do this for each employee to determine which brand/model is best suited. N95 are also trading in the $7-9 per mask price range presently.

KN95 are in the $3-4 range and are more consumer focused with similar filtration rates.

3-ply surgical masks are your standard earloop style that is traditionally worn. These are in the $0.90-1.00 range at present.

(full disclosure- my company is an FDA registered importer and reseller of PPE equipment).

Something is better than nothing these days. But asking the state to hand out N95's like candy to older citizens will never happen.