Where are the statistics...

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

"Since January, the CDC reported more than 5,000 influenza-associated deaths."–"

source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...al/3044888001/

Bull crap. Look at the statistics for every year, the "normal" influenza causes tens of thousands deaths...

So let me ask my original question, maybe answered without diversions about masks. What are the ACCURATE statistics for influenza deaths this year? Let me add this...Compared to last year and the year before?

[garysanfran]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...18/archive.htm

[TheRoBoat]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by TheRoBoat

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...-estimates.htm

Thank you, but not sure that answers my question.

[garysanfran]

We had a severe flu epidemic of severe proportions.

Did you hear anything about it until now, or ever?

[TheRoBoat]

The "original" estimates from 2018, in the body of the text.

Then at the top there is a yellow box that seems to lead to updated numbers for the 2018 season.

Do you want comments on the higher numbers from 2018, or the revised lower numbers that came out later?

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Thank you, but not sure that answers my question.

"Conclusion

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 48.8 million illnesses, more than 22.7 million medical visits, 959,000 hospitalizations, and 79,400 deaths during the 2017–2018 influenza season. This burden was higher than any season since the 2009 pandemic and serves as a reminder of how severe seasonal influenza can be."

From the CDC.

[JEEPONLY]

I decided to look up wipes because the news has been so insistent on 60-70% alcohol.

We've been using (primarily) Lysol and Clorox wipes- also some lower profile brands- as long as we had plenty, we felt good.

Now I find that most of these are ALCOHOL FREE, but have a bunch of other fancy sounding ingredients in them. Crap!

My solution was to buy bottles of isopropyl/rubbing alcohol (70%-$2.50/32.oz.) and pour it in to my wipes containers- swish it around- apply.

They come out soaking!- but make me feel better.

Make any sense? Where and what kind of manufactured alcohol wipes are you
finding that are in stock- price/per 50-100, whatever?

I don't mean to go in to are they even necessary- just asking.

[jazzman]

All the touch points make me crazy. To get out of home Depot the other day I had to touch the scanner gun, the touch screen and the card reader. I'm sure glad they had Plexi panels all around each self checkout station so maybe I couldn't breathe on someone. You have to touch the doors in most places to get in/out. I think fixing these will do 10x the good of masks.

[upthesaukee]

Google making hand sanitizer. We looked at it early on, and if memory serves me right, it is isopropyl alcohol and aloe.

Dave

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Bull crap. Look at the statistics for every year, the "normal" influenza causes tens of thousands deaths...So let me ask my original question, maybe answered without diversions about masks. What are the ACCURATE statistics for influenza deaths this year? Let me add this...Compared to last year and the year before?

Assume the normal flu kills 60-80K Americans over a twelve month period on average, and that this year will be similar.

Covid-19 has been with us for only several months and the death toll has now exceeded in that short amount of time the yearly death toll from the regular flu.

Let's wait until early 2121 to compare the yearly death tolls, shall we?

The deaths from Covid-19 will certainly far exceed that of the regular flu when the one year period ends in 2121.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Assume the normal flu kills 60-80K Americans over a twelve month period on average, and that this year will be similar.

Covid-19 has been with us for only several months and the death toll has now exceeded in that short amount of time the yearly death toll from the regular flu.

Let's wait until early 2121 to compare the yearly death tolls, shall we?

The deaths from Covid-19 will certainly far exceed that of the regular flu when the one year period ends in 2121.

I appreciate your sentiment here, but remember that whatever the actual number of covid cases/deaths we have this year, those numbers are being pushed down every day by social distancing. So covid is a much bigger issue than those numbers will indicate

[garysanfran]

I ask the question?

Please look at the original post

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by mr. V

assume the normal flu kills 60-80k americans over a twelve month period on average, and that this year will be similar.

Covid-19 has been with us for only several months and the death toll has now exceeded in that short amount of time the yearly death toll from the regular flu.

Let's wait until early 2121 to compare the yearly death tolls, shall we?

The deaths from covid-19 will certainly far exceed that of the regular flu when the one year period ends in 2121.

what are the statistics for the normal flu?

[Pricestavern]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Estimated Deaths per Season - USA

2010-2011: 37,000
2011-2012: 12,000
2012-2013: 43,000
2013-2014: 38,000
2014-2015: 51,000
2015-2016: 23,000
2016-2017: 38,000
2017-2018: 61,000 (Preliminary Estimate)
2018-2019: 34,157 (Preliminary Estimate)


Avg Seasonal Fatalities: 37,461

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

what are the statistics for the normal flu?

I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun YOU!

[Newbiesaukee]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766121

I do not know if this link will work. It is a discussion from the Journal of the American Medical Association about why comparing Covid and Flu statistics is inaccurate and not helpful.

I am not arguing; but this might be useful to those interested if the link works. If it does not, let me know and I will delete the post. Don’t want to add to the confusion.

[upthesaukee]

Link worked and it is an interesting read.

Thanks for sharing

Dave