Face Masks

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Slickcraft

Walmart and Sam's will require masks starting 7/20

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...19/5442415002/

Alan

Yet another reason to avoid that dump full of Chinese junk! I hope this spawns the re-birth of the Mom & Pop shops.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Yet another reason to avoid that dump full of Chinese junk! I hope this spawns the re-birth of the Mom & Pop shops.

Your thoughts now that Trump is wearing a mask?

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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Your thoughts now that Trump is wearing a mask?

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See below. Nothing has changed. I don’t flip-flop, nor do I make decisions based on what President Trump does. I support him, I will vote for him in November, but I think independently. Ok?

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Yet another reason to avoid that dump full of Chinese junk! I hope this spawns the re-birth of the Mom & Pop shops.

[rick35]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Your thoughts now that Trump is wearing a mask?

He wore a mask once. And that was in a hospital. They probably told home he had to or couldn't enter.

[rick35]

We went to the Hannaford in Meredith on Thursday and it was pretty busy. Almost everyone wore masks but some couldn't follow the arrows and distancing wasn't working. We're coming back for a couple more weeks in August and we're going to do a pick-up at Walmart instead of going back to Hannaford. It was just uncomfortable when compared to the Hannaford in Bedford we usually shop at.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by rick35

He wore a mask once. And that was in a hospital. They probably told home he had to or couldn't enter.

The fact that he acquiesced and is now saying "masks are great in the right locations" is a fair shift from retweeting columns about masks as "slavery" and "social control."

Just noticing the shift. He absolutely can't win the anti-mask thing—there's too much evidence showing their impact.

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

The fact that he acquiesced and is now saying "masks are great in the right locations" is a fair shift from retweeting columns about masks as "slavery" and "social control."

Just noticing the shift. He absolutely can't win the anti-mask thing—there's too much evidence showing their impact.

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But he can certainly “win” the freedom “thing” and that’s the bottom line.
I’m against (and hate) the restriction of a mask but I do “comply” if I have to...just like our president. I do, however, try to avoid the mask situations so by my absence, I’m doing my part.
By the way, there is plenty of “evidence” saying masks do absolutely nothing as well...just sayin’

[XCR-700]

Given that this thread has already taken a left turn from its origin I don’t feel too bad adding to that deviation, but will try to do so without burning the forum down.

So my concern is what are we trying to do with all these masks?

Originally we are all told we needed to slow the spread and keep the hospital ICUs from becoming overloaded. This was going to be a few weeks, and we are all horrified. But now its been months with no end in sight and many people are using the term the new normal, with discussions about every one wearing masks all day long, all the time, forever more going forward.

So what happened to slowing the spread?

How did it become “stop or kill” the virus?

Do we really think we can stop or kill any virus?

Some are saying this is the new norm until we have a vaccine.

Will this all stop once there is a vaccine?

Do people realize that when speaking of flu viruses, roughly only half the population get the flu shot, and when we are lucky and it’s a “good” vaccine, its still only roughly 40% effective?

Do we realize that not all, but way too much of whats being discussed and proposed in the media and by self-proclaimed experts is NOT backed up by actual in depth scientific study, the universal standard being a double-blind study that takes time to conduct and time to review and time to agree upon and document the findings, as opposed to the current zero time pronouncements.

Personally I am feeling like a sheep, I am following what I am told to do, where masks (most of the time) social distance (most of the time) minimizing my activities and staying home.

And in truth, and as I now see no end in sight, I am also starting to feel like I have been listening to people who are selling me snake oil.

The original notion of slowing the spread to reduce impact to the hospital ICUs made sense, but I don’t know if I buy into the beat the virus, kill the virus, new normal, etc,,,

Feeling really confused, not protected, not better, not confident in ANYTHING I am now hearing.

Am I the only one who isn’t totally anchored in one camp or the other; the remain locked down until forever if needed until someone tells us we are now ok to return to the old normal camp, or the this is all nonsense there is nothing to worry about camp,,,

Starting to feel like I am in between 2 markers on the lake, and wondering if I should be on the outside of either of them, and not happy about or satisfied about anything the people on the boat are telling me.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I am also starting to feel like I have been listening to people who are selling me snake oil.

Yes, I agree 100%. My new name for these snake oil salesmen is “MASK-HOLES”.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Yes, I agree 100%. My new name for these snake oil salesmen is “MASK-HOLES”.

Oh, you're so clever.

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Given that this thread has already taken a left turn from its origin I don’t feel too bad adding to that deviation, but will try to do so without burning the forum down.

So my concern is what are we trying to do with all these masks?

Originally we are all told we needed to slow the spread and keep the hospital ICUs from becoming overloaded. This was going to be a few weeks, and we are all horrified. But now its been months with no end in sight and many people are using the term the new normal, with discussions about every one wearing masks all day long, all the time, forever more going forward.

So what happened to slowing the spread?

How did it become “stop or kill” the virus?

Do we really think we can stop or kill any virus?

Some are saying this is the new norm until we have a vaccine.

Will this all stop once there is a vaccine?

Do people realize that when speaking of flu viruses, roughly only half the population get the flu shot, and when we are lucky and it’s a “good” vaccine, its still only roughly 40% effective?

Do we realize that not all, but way too much of whats being discussed and proposed in the media and by self-proclaimed experts is NOT backed up by actual in depth scientific study, the universal standard being a double-blind study that takes time to conduct and time to review and time to agree upon and document the findings, as opposed to the current zero time pronouncements.

Personally I am feeling like a sheep, I am following what I am told to do, where masks (most of the time) social distance (most of the time) minimizing my activities and staying home.

And in truth, and as I now see no end in sight, I am also starting to feel like I have been listening to people who are selling me snake oil.

The original notion of slowing the spread to reduce impact to the hospital ICUs made sense, but I don’t know if I buy into the beat the virus, kill the virus, new normal, etc,,,

Feeling really confused, not protected, not better, not confident in ANYTHING I am now hearing.

Am I the only one who isn’t totally anchored in one camp or the other; the remain locked down until forever if needed until someone tells us we are now ok to return to the old normal camp, or the this is all nonsense there is nothing to worry about camp,,,

Starting to feel like I am in between 2 markers on the lake, and wondering if I should be on the outside of either of them, and not happy about or satisfied about anything the people on the boat are telling me.

You are definitely not the only one not anchored in one camp or the other. This whole thing is confusing, and all we can do is be as cautious as possible without being a nut case. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if sometime soon, we could look in a rear view mirror, and be relieved that this pandemic was nothing but a terrible memory, but finished?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Starting to feel like I am in between 2 markers on the lake, and wondering if I should be on the outside of either of them, and not happy about or satisfied about anything the people on the boat are telling me.

Yes--it's a bummer. But we as a society are like a rookie captain on the lake with a couple of inexperienced buddies, as you so aptly put it--we have not done this before. Accepting that, we have a basic choice. Option 1--we can listen to our pesky egghead friend (let's call him Tony) who has read extensively on seamanship, aced the boater ed course, and has memorized Bizer. Option 2--we can listen to our supremely confident friend (let's call him Don) who has none of Tony's background, really wants to get back to the party on the other side of The Broads ASAP, and isn't worried about the ominous weather report delivered by some other eggheads.

I share your discomfort and frustration with Tony, Don, and the rest of the world. But there's no question--I'm taking Tony's advice to get me home safely.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Yes--it's a bummer. But we as a society are like a rookie captain on the lake with a couple of inexperienced buddies, as you so aptly put it--we have not done this before. Accepting that, we have a basic choice. Option 1--we can listen to our pesky egghead friend (let's call him Tony) who has read extensively on seamanship, aced the boater ed course, and has memorized Bizer. Option 2--we can listen to our supremely confident friend (let's call him Don) who has none of Tony's background, really wants to get back to the party on the other side of The Broads ASAP, and isn't worried about the ominous weather report delivered by some other eggheads.

I share your discomfort and frustration with Tony, Don, and the rest of the world. But there's no question--I'm taking Tony's advice to get me home safely.

Not sure those options represent what the world is offering us in the current pandemic. It would be nice if it were as clear cut at that, but for me its much more confusing as the endless stream of talking heads fill the airwaves 24 hrs/day with finger pointing and political mudslinging. When the so called express tell you that you need to do something drastic for a short period to avoid a major crisis, then you do it, and the crisis happens anyway, then they tell you that you didn’t do it long enough, or well enough and now you will need to endure the change for much longer than expected, or indefinitely, well you start to lose faith in those people and that system.

Are we better off for all we have done?

Some say yes and claim it would have been much worse if we had not done it, while others say you have accomplished nothing and worse yet you have compounded the matter by these bad choices.

So who do you believe?

The people who were wrong in the length and scope and depth of what was needed and continue to blindly follow them to no foreseeable end point?

Or do you make a 180 degree u-turn and jump on the bandwagon of the people who say its not real or not a big deal or we are doing the opposite of what we should be doing, despite the significant numbers of sick and dead people?

This is a mess and a disaster of epic proportions and there is no clear path out of this medical and political tarpit.

Most disappointing to me, I see politicians at every level using this event as a political forum and for their own advantage. I have not yet seen one that I felt was 100% honest, and acting in the best interest of everyone who they represent.

I also see the media as shameless appalling profiteers. Gone are actual journalists.

I am so sick and fed up with opinion news and news anchors trying to tell me what to think.

And god help us all for all the pseudo news commentary people and their ½ hour popularity contests. I would rather watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny than any of these cable TV idiots that the world relies on to think for them. Make a bold statement, mock some politician up to and including the president, crack a smile and a joke and you get followers and ratings and credibility.

The world is not a better place because of CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. We survive in spite of these bozos.

Sorry, just very frustrated.

Feeling bad for people suffering the virus, and people suffering because of the restrictions. My barber of over 22 years closed down because of this mess. That alone leaves me angry and frustrated, let alone all the other problems. in a personal gesture of solidarity for my barber, i may never get another hair cut,,,

Sorry way off,,,

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Not sure those options represent what the world is offering us in the current pandemic. It would be nice if it were as clear cut at that, but for me its much more confusing as the endless stream of talking heads fill the airwaves 24 hrs/day with finger pointing and political mudslinging. When the so called express tell you that you need to do something drastic for a short period to avoid a major crisis, then you do it, and the crisis happens anyway, then they tell you that you didn’t do it long enough, or well enough and now you will need to endure the change for much longer than expected, or indefinitely, well you start to lose faith in those people and that system.

Are we better off for all we have done?

Some say yes and claim it would have been much worse if we had not done it, while others say you have accomplished nothing and worse yet you have compounded the matter by these bad choices.

So who do you believe?

The people who were wrong in the length and scope and depth of what was needed and continue to blindly follow them to no foreseeable end point?

Or do you make a 180 degree u-turn and jump on the bandwagon of the people who say its not real or not a big deal or we are doing the opposite of what we should be doing, despite the significant numbers of sick and dead people?

This is a mess and a disaster of epic proportions and there is no clear path out of this medical and political tarpit.

Most disappointing to me, I see politicians at every level using this event as a political forum and for their own advantage. I have not yet seen one that I felt was 100% honest, and acting in the best interest of everyone who they represent.

I also see the media as shameless appalling profiteers. Gone are actual journalists.

I am so sick and fed up with opinion news and news anchors trying to tell me what to think.

And god help us all for all the pseudo news commentary people and their ½ hour popularity contests. I would rather watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny than any of these cable TV idiots that the world relies on to think for them. Make a bold statement, mock some politician up to and including the president, crack a smile and a joke and you get followers and ratings and credibility.

The world is not a better place because of CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. We survive in spite of these bozos.

Sorry, just very frustrated.

Feeling bad for people suffering the virus, and people suffering because of the restrictions. My barber of over 22 years closed down because of this mess. That alone leaves me angry and frustrated, let alone all the other problems. in a personal gesture of solidarity for my barber, i may never get another hair cut,,,

Sorry way off,,,

The best advice I can give you is to stop watching CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. You may continue to watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

The best advice I can give you is to stop watching CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. You may continue to watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny.

Working on it,,, Someone much smarter than me once told me, life is imperfect at best, and so are you, but keep working on it you "might" get better.

So far, I remain the eternal optimist, but shrouded in layers of pessimism. So as you might expect, inline with my not being perfect, I am also sometimes hard to live with. Too often frustrated by the world around me, usually happiest when anchored somewhere on Winnipesaukee, sitting in some float with a toe line connected to the boat (I'm the only one who currently operates boats in the family, so if I floated away, they could neither come get me nor go home )

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Not sure those options represent what the world is offering us in the current pandemic. It would be nice if it were as clear cut at that, but for me its much more confusing as the endless stream of talking heads fill the airwaves 24 hrs/day with finger pointing and political mudslinging. When the so called express tell you that you need to do something drastic for a short period to avoid a major crisis, then you do it, and the crisis happens anyway, then they tell you that you didn’t do it long enough, or well enough and now you will need to endure the change for much longer than expected, or indefinitely, well you start to lose faith in those people and that system.

Are we better off for all we have done?

Some say yes and claim it would have been much worse if we had not done it, while others say you have accomplished nothing and worse yet you have compounded the matter by these bad choices.

So who do you believe?

The people who were wrong in the length and scope and depth of what was needed and continue to blindly follow them to no foreseeable end point?

Or do you make a 180 degree u-turn and jump on the bandwagon of the people who say its not real or not a big deal or we are doing the opposite of what we should be doing, despite the significant numbers of sick and dead people?

This is a mess and a disaster of epic proportions and there is no clear path out of this medical and political tarpit.

Most disappointing to me, I see politicians at every level using this event as a political forum and for their own advantage. I have not yet seen one that I felt was 100% honest, and acting in the best interest of everyone who they represent.

I also see the media as shameless appalling profiteers. Gone are actual journalists.

I am so sick and fed up with opinion news and news anchors trying to tell me what to think.

And god help us all for all the pseudo news commentary people and their ½ hour popularity contests. I would rather watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny than any of these cable TV idiots that the world relies on to think for them. Make a bold statement, mock some politician up to and including the president, crack a smile and a joke and you get followers and ratings and credibility.

The world is not a better place because of CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. We survive in spite of these bozos.

Sorry, just very frustrated.

Feeling bad for people suffering the virus, and people suffering because of the restrictions. My barber of over 22 years closed down because of this mess. That alone leaves me angry and frustrated, let alone all the other problems. in a personal gesture of solidarity for my barber, i may never get another hair cut,,,

Sorry way off,,,

Nobody's perfect, and it's always unpleasant watching sausage being made. But there's a big difference between acting like a politician when you're on the side of virtually all of the public health experts, and acting like a politician when you're ignoring all the public health experts.

But there have been excellent leaders during this difficult time--the Republican Governors of New Hampshire and Massachusetts, and the Democratic Governor of Rhode Island--just to name a few nearby. I think that all these folks have done pretty well with the hands they were dealt, and I don't think they exaggerated the danger or overpromised on what would happen with sacrifice. All 3 of their states have done WAY better than average.

Too often, politicians who have been obviously and grossly wrong try to spread the blame and deflect by saying everyone's at fault, nobody knows what to do. That's a lot of the noise you're hearing on the TV shows you really should stop watching

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Anything to inject politics into the topic. I think the admin has asked very specifically not to do so.

This thread is about masks. The president of the United States—the person who governs and sets the tone for the whole of America—has, until recently, decided, visibly, not to wear one AND has argued against them.

I simply asked if someone who has been vocally anti-mask and pro-Trump would reconsider.

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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

As Mentioned "We appreciate your dedication to the mission"

I'm not discussing political ramifications, nor am I taking a side, nor am I criticizing the person/people I was referring to—I'm asking if someone would change their behavior given a change in circumstance. If you, or others, see that as political, I apologize.

(In hindsight, however, this thread was not the one I originally thought it was—this one is about buying, not wearing, masks, so I apologize to the OP.)

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[Barney Bear]

All of the hummingbirds that visit our feeders are wearing masks. 🇺🇸

[ishoot308]

....are getting restless...