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Also, and I may have missed this, is the ramp public or part of the association? Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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There are two ramps there, one public owned by the town of tuftonboro which almost everyone uses and one private ramp for the dock owners use. They are both only a few feet apart. There used to be a gate across the private ramp but that went missing over the winter, imagine that!
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Just to the left of the town ramp, is a private paved and locked ramp that belongs to the Dock association. Then of course the docks of the association... If your on the lake, you are correct it is the leftmost finger........ I have been waiting for issues like this to happen. People got very greedy in the 80s.... Many docks went condo, and to do so their where many questionable, associations formed. Pier 19 being one of them.... What we are seeing is a pure power struggle.... In order for Pier 19 to be a viable business, they need dock space. And more of it then the Town wharf can provide....So it appears that the owners are doing what they can to try and force the dock owners to open back up part of the dock that is not used, and was rented previously by the store. Someone mentioned that the slip owners have a right of way to get to the docks across the store property, and while that is true, does said right of way, detail that it has to be accessible by automobile? As for the assertion that the strip of land has been open to the public for use for decades, well yes that is true, but it is private property which the owner, can chose to change his mind and deny access too...... At the end of the day, I see lawyers making money, not really anyone else. Peir19 has been doomed since it let the slips go condo, and then to not pay rent on a section of dock that was really needed for the business to attempt to thrive probably sealed its fate...... Ultimately both the Slip Association, and the Pier 19 Retail Property are both going to loose out I am afraid, if they don't find a way to get to some sort of arrangement..... As for the gates, While I understand the why..... honestly? if someone is planning to go damage some boats, the gates will not stop them..... I think that association would have been better off working with the Store to install some sort of video surveillance system..... Anyway I am tired of rambling here, tired of hoping Pier 19 would some how find its way back to the lime light it once had, doesn't look like that will happen.... So the only reason to go over their now, is to see if the rooster makes it back to farm island this summer.
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Anyone happen to know the current price of gas at Pier 19....?
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This strikes me as one of those disappointing situations where both sides have dug in and refused to try to find a middle ground. Instead of condo owners saying “we’re keeping our shark cage style gates come hell or high water” and the store owner responding by asserting property rights over land previously shared at no cost, they should work together to find a fair solution.
I think the middle ground is that the gates stay but with the gate on the formerly rented dock modified to be unlocked automatically during store hours. Since that may require electricity being brought to the gate, it could be further modified to include a security camera. The store owner pays all costs for modifications but has the amount credited against an agreed rent. Everyone wins, condo association collects rent which should lower dues. Store owner has more space to offer to customers. Slip owners that have to deal with non members on their dock get the added security of knowing who is causing the trouble. |
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Boycott Pier 19 Store!
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It will obviously take some time and for that reason the store owners should be looking into this already since even if the town allows them to use the town owned wharf which is a long shot that wharf is scheduled for rebuild in the near future so long story short it most likely would not be readily available anyway. IMO the addition to the current gas dock is the best long term option.
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If you have 300 to 374 feet of frontage you are allowed 5 boat slips. Although I have driven by, the last time I went by boat to the Pier 19 store was about 1997. My recollection is that there are many more slips than that. I do not know what the frontage is. My point was, you just can't add docks when you want to. I have no doubt that more docks would be helpful but I think the possibility of getting more docking is slim. |
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Can you name a few of the places that had additional docks approved above the state approved guidelines? |
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I never said approved above state guidelines, perhaps we misunderstood each other.
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Please enlighten me. What is done all the time? Adding docks? Above the number set forth by the state for the existing frontage? |
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My understanding is that both Wolfeboro and Laconia (Weirs) are working with DES for dock reconfigurations. The final plan may or may not add linear footage, but should improve efficiency. DES is not generally opposed to this. I think commercial marinas and municipalities are looked at with a different perspective than residential docks, especially when there is an existing facility that needs improvement.
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Adding docks with state permission is possible. I believe west Alton marina is doing this.
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![]() Just as an aside, we have no skin in the game for the dock or boats, but my husband went to the store this week to pick up 2 items. There are 2 registers there, 1 was in use. The woman in front of him had a massive order of items, hundreds of dollars, and he waited patiently as this customer kept apologizing while he reassured her he was in no rush. Meanwhile, the owner was present, straightening T-shirts, walking around, etc- It was a 15-20 minute order, and he was wondering why the owner didn't offer to open up the other register for his 2 items. I am wondering the same thing- we're residents and I feel like I'd rather drive the other 4 miles to Pine Cone from now on. Am I wrong to think this way~ |
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It would be helpful if someone could attach a photo of the ramp / barrels for the benefit of out of area viewers, thanks.
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So while on paper and in principal it sounds like not much activity will go on in there suggesting landing will be with permission only and the number of planes will be limited, one plane doing say hour long tours will be a fair amount of traffic in and out. |
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The only reason I can think of on why the store owner wants to start up seaplane tours is money. And, one plane may turn into more.
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But they need a place to dock their planes. We can and should do everything possible to stop them from using the town owned Union Wharf.
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We're in the wrong thread, but that's basically what I expected-you c all ahead.
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I'm sorry... Are you saying call ahead... that the air traffic controller is going to be the store owner who spends most of her time back in the kitchen. From the store view you only can see the gas docks and out to maybe Farm Island. She would not have an perspective what boat traffic is occurring in the state approved landing strip. This is a mess... who in the State and FAA approved of this nonsense?
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Just found out that the Pier 19 Country Store is for sale. Thank goodness. Please please please Skelly's buy this! Skelly's can make this place great.
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She has worked hard, and the whole crew is great. I hope the increase in real estate prices gets her a good return
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yeah... why the "thank goodness" associated with someone's possible misfortune?
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