Seaplane Base and runway 19 Mile Bay Proposed

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Hey guys! What a great safe day. 75 decibels were recorded from the 230 hp engine from the dock. Very wide and safe. Great proving run.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[DEJ]

Good to see the wharf being used as it intended, island resident getting deliveries of stuff.

[CowTimes]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Good to see the wharf being used as it intended, island resident getting deliveries of stuff.

The pictures of the barges aren’t even from today. Notice the different skies.

Also, this was at 9am or so on a Saturday before Memorial Day. Imagine the difference between today and the Saturday of July 4th weekend, or virtually any other weekend in peak season.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by CowTimes

The pictures of the barges aren’t even from today. Notice the different skies. More deception.

Deception? So you are saying that those barges aren't real, and they weren't at the Pier? What does it matter today or this week? They were there these photos are real. Keep the conversation going. Thanks.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[DEJ]

Since it appears you can dock your plane there when will you start advertising your scenic plane rides and what will the cost be?

[CowTimes]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

Deception? So you are saying that those barges aren't real, and they weren't at the Pier? What does it matter today or this week? They were there these photos are real. Keep the conversation going. Thanks.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

Nope, the barges are real and they are a necessary aspect of island living so that hundreds of Tuftonboro island residents can inhabit the islands and, in turn, provide significant tax revenue to the town. But they use the wharf what, an hour or two per week? In any event, their use of the wharf is expressly permitted by town ordinance.

Do you know what’s not real? Any right to use town property as a base for your tour/charter business.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by CowTimes

Nope, the barges are real and they are a necessary aspect of island living so that hundreds of Tuftonboro island residents can inhabit the islands and, in turn, provide significant tax revenue to the town. But they use the wharf what, an hour or two per week? In any event, their use of the wharf is expressly permitted by town ordinance.

Do you know what’s not real? Any right to use town property as a base for your tour/charter business.

You are making my argument for me. I need to hire you. Thank you.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by CowTimes

Do you know what’s not real? Any right to use town property as a base for your tour/charter business.

Pretty much sums it up.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

Hey guys! What a great safe day. 75 decibels were recorded from the 230 hp engine from the dock. Very wide and safe. Great proving run. Attachment 16997Attachment 16998Attachment 16999Attachment 17000

Epic Seaplane Adventures

Epic....! You should have not post this picture of your plane. Your plane wing goes 2/3 of the way across the wharf. No one who would want to unload or load their boat for island provisions would not be able to so. When the Tuftonboro Fire Chief sees these pictures he will express his concern with the town Selectmen like most town citizens are now doing.

And this is full pool high water level. When the water level drops Summer and into the Fall your plane wing would totally block access to the docks. You need to get smarter on hold you present your case. Go find another place to dock your plane. You are so tight with the store owners you should be putting your plane there or help them get permits to a new dock. But from I read the store owners will do whatever they please and fell entitled by not even obeying DES regulations. I feel concerned for you picking the wrong pony to ride.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Epic....! You should have not post this picture of your plane. Your plane wing goes 2/3 of the way across the wharf. No one who would want to unload or load their boat for island provisions would not be able to so. When the Tuftonboro Fire Chief sees these pictures he will express his concern with the town Selectmen like most town citizens are now doing.

And this is full pool high water level. When the water level drops Summer and into the Fall your plane wing would totally block access to the docks. You need to get smarter on hold you present your case. Go find another place to dock your plane. You are so tight with the store owners you should be putting your plane there or help them get permits to a new dock. But from I read the store owners will do whatever they please and fell entitled by not even obeying DES regulations. I feel concerned for you picking the wrong pony to ride.

Is this the first time you have ever experienced something like this? You're comments seem like we are inventing something new. Anyone with any common sense and reason can see this isn't an issue.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[DEJ]

You just keep digging your hole deeper, thank you.

[Sundancer320]

I was open to the idea of a seaplane tour operator but after watching the video and seeing Epic’s disdain for the people most affected by it, I have decided that he is an arrogant jerk that thinks he can dazzle his way thru. Fortunately this forum has actually worked against him due to his own crass attitude.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

I was open to the idea of a seaplane tour operator but after watching the video and seeing Epic’s disdain for the people most affected by it, I have decided that he is an arrogant jerk that thinks he can dazzle his way thru. Fortunately this forum has actually worked against him due to his own crass attitude.

So this is a new reason. I've heard no blocking the dock for EMS, and no commercial operations, I've even heard "I just don't want a plane here.", but this reason is new. Now it's no planes because of distain for someone.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

I was open to the idea of a seaplane tour operator but after watching the video and seeing Epic’s disdain for the people most affected by it, I have decided that he is an arrogant jerk that thinks he can dazzle his way thru. Fortunately this forum has actually worked against him due to his own crass attitude.

I do not have distain for anyone. The people on here are hiding behind a screen name. We do not know who they are or where they live. Most I would venture are not from here, didn't grow up here, and know most of the people in this community. Most I would venture are seasonal people who speak of things like entitlement, but have large boats, and second homes and feel entitled to the dock. Most of the voices are from Islanders who feel like the town dock is theirs and the rules for blocking access to the fire boat don't apply to them and that they can hire people to bring things to them out on the islands and or do some sort of work for hire. Then they turn around and say that shouldn't apply to anyone except people from the islands. Public Dock to them means Islanders first and everyone else is second class citizens. This is entitlement, and distain, but it is not from me. They know they can't say, "I don't want a plane here.". So they come up with every reason they think to attempt to block it.

BTW- Sundancer 320. That's a nice boat! Have a wonderful day.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[CowTimes]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

I do not have distain for anyone. The people on here are hiding behind a screen name. We do not know who they are or where they live. Most I would venture are not from here, didn't grow up here, and know most of the people in this community. Most I would venture are seasonal people who speak of things like entitlement, but have large boats, and second homes and feel entitled to the dock. Most of the voices are from Islanders who feel like the town dock is theirs and the rules for blocking access to the fire boat don't apply to them and that they can hire people to bring things to them out on the islands and or do some sort of work for hire. Then they turn around and say that shouldn't apply to anyone except people from the islands. Public Dock to them means Islanders first and everyone else is second class citizens. This is entitlement, and distain, but it is not from me. They know they can't say, "I don't want a plane here.". So they come up with every reason they think to attempt to block it.

BTW- Sundancer 320. That's a nice boat! Have a wonderful day.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

“I do not have disdain for anyone” and then an entire post expressing disdain against island and other residents based on false assumptions. The people most affected here are island residents, many of whom have been here for generations, in addition to the mainland residents of 19 Mile Bay.

No island resident or island service company uses the Union Wharf in the way you seek. You want to base your entire commercial enterprise off public property. There is not a single example of a commercial enterprise being allowed to base its operations off town property (the Union Wharf or any other town property) in the way you seek without having obtained a permit/license (i.e., paying for it), a public bid process, and providing indemnification to the town for potential liabilities.

Town ordinance expressly permits the barges to use the wharf for up to an hour, and expressly prohibits using the wharf as you seek for more than intermittent commercial operation. This is not new, and has been the case for decades. You are the one that is seeking to entirely change what constitutes permitted use of town property. You are not entitled to this, period.

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

I do not have distain for anyone. The people on here are hiding behind a screen name. We do not know who they are or where they live. Most I would venture are not from here, didn't grow up here, and know most of the people in this community. Most I would venture are seasonal people who speak of things like entitlement, but have large boats, and second homes and feel entitled to the dock. Most of the voices are from Islanders who feel like the town dock is theirs and the rules for blocking access to the fire boat don't apply to them and that they can hire people to bring things to them out on the islands and or do some sort of work for hire. Then they turn around and say that shouldn't apply to anyone except people from the islands. Public Dock to them means Islanders first and everyone else is second class citizens. This is entitlement, and distain, but it is not from me. They know they can't say, "I don't want a plane here.". So they come up with every reason they think to attempt to block it.

BTW- Sundancer 320. That's a nice boat! Have a wonderful day.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

So much wrong in this comment.
Show me anyone’s comments in this thread where they indicated the dock was theirs?
Did anyone show pictures of their large boats? Did anyone say they have one?
You’re using my screen name as a snarky shot at me... that’s fine I can take a shot since you’re not able to without lashing out... by the way Sundancer 320 is a nice boat...sold it long ago..never bothered to change it... nice try though.

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

So much wrong in this comment.
Show me anyone’s comments in this thread where they indicated the dock was theirs?
Did anyone show pictures of their large boats? Did anyone say they have one?
You’re using my screen name as a snarky shot at me... that’s fine I can take a shot since you’re not able to without lashing out... by the way Sundancer 320 is a nice boat...sold it long ago..never bothered to change it... nice try though.

I wasn't attacking you at all. I like that boat.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

I wasn't attacking you at all. I like that boat.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

Ok, I will accept that... I agree, nice boat. Even nicer now that I sold it!

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Epic Seaplane Adventures

Is this the first time you have ever experienced something like this? You're comments seem like we are inventing something new. Anyone with any common sense and reason can see this isn't an issue.

Epic Seaplane Adventures

So, As I look at the picture you posted, your wings would appear to be roughly 6 ft. off the top of the wharf... Drop that lake a foot, and that would have them roughly 5 feet off the top of the wharf... if others are trying to use the wharf how will you feel when they are touching your plane? Bump things off your plane on accident, etc.

In another thread you mention using your plane to help in emergency situations, is this the plane you are referring to?

Don't get me wrong those are great little planes, what is it a Cessna 180, or something similar... The best this plane could hope for to help with, is going to be as a searcher in a search and rescue mission.

I have no problem in what you are trying to do.... But lets stop beating around the bush, lay the full plan on the table, and we can all move on with our lives.

I will agree that the posts are an issue, for a seaplane but hold on, so are the posts, in Meredith, Center Harbor, Wolfeboro, the Wiers and I could go on. Why aren't these other locations being considered? Why is Tuftonboro being targeted? I think it is because it is quiet place on the lake where it is perceived a plane could be left safely for short period of times. As a private citizen I see no problem in you wanting that. However if you have intentions of a private site seeing business then your going about it all wrong.

This issue hear is the unknown... What is Epic Seaplane adventures, what are its intentions... Put the details on the table. stop trying to hide behind your screen, and maybe you will gain support.