$3,995,000 - Wow...

[fatlazyless]

Maybe this has already been mentioned in this thread, according to www.zillow.com this 105 Hauser Estates Rd, 1.66-acres with 200 feet waterfront, $3,995,000-asking price in Moultonborough was sold on April 23, 2021 for three million dollars. Was maybe listed in November, 2020?

Does Hauser Estates Rd get snow plowed by the town?

Does it get town trash pick-up?

Is there town water and sewer service?

Is there internet/tv service available?

How long a drive to the Market Basket and Walmart in Pymouth, NH? ...... 25-miles and 41-minutes drive ......probably driving Rt 25-B in Center Harbor and Rt 175 in Holderness/Ashland to get to Plymouth.

One thing is for sure about MoultonboroUGH .......MoultonboroUGH is a looooong waaaaaay from everywhere ....... is why MoultonboroUGH is spelled with an UGH! You ever notice that there's no UGH in Tuftonboro or Wolfeboro ...... so, why is that!

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Maybe this has already been mentioned in this thread, according to www.zillow.com this 105 Hauser Estates Rd, 1.66-acres with 200 feet waterfront, $3,995,000-asking price in Moultonborough was sold on April 23, 2021 for three million dollars. Was maybe listed in November, 2020?

Does Hauser Estates Rd get snow plowed by the town?

Does it get town trash pick-up?

Is there town water and sewer service?

Is there internet/tv service available?

How long a drive to the Market Basket and Walmart in Pymouth, NH? ...... 25-miles and 41-minutes drive ......probably driving Rt 25-B in Center Harbor and Rt 175 in Holderness/Ashland to get to Plymouth.

One thing is for sure about MoultonboroUGH .......MoultonboroUGH is a looooong waaaaaay from everywhere ....... is why MoultonboroUGH is spelled with an UGH! You ever notice that there's no UGH in Tuftonboro or Wolfeboro ...... so, why is that!

You’re right about Moultonborough being far from everything, especially some parts. We looked at a few properties and ruled it out for some of the reasons you listed.

But as far as Water and Sewerage. I prefer a Well and Septic. Towns rip you off on that service. I have Septic in MA with a sewer line going right by. It would cost a fortune just for the permit, never mind the actual work. And once hooked up they double your water bill.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

You’re right about Moultonborough being far from everything, especially some parts. We looked at a few properties and ruled it out for some of the reasons you listed.

But as far as Water and Sewerage. I prefer a Well and Septic. Towns rip you off on that service. I have Septic in MA with a sewer line going right by. It would cost a fortune just for the permit, never mind the actual work. And once hooked up they double your water bill.

IIRC, you bought lakefront on New Hampshire's most pristine large lake.

Why saddle oneself with rust stains, chemical shocking, Radon and arsenic content, when especially good water is available with minimal treatment? (If any).

I don't expect Town Sewerage to be available in our lifetimes, but they can't double your lakewater bill. (Though I expect they'll find a way).

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by ApS

IIRC, you bought lakefront on New Hampshire's most pristine large lake.

Why saddle oneself with rust stains, chemical shocking, Radon and arsenic content, when especially good water is available with minimal treatment? (If any).

I don't expect Town Sewerage to be available in our lifetimes, but they can't double your lakewater bill. (Though I expect they'll find a way).

I’ve had Well water at 3 locations. Only issue at all 3 was iron which is easily removed. Just had a well put in an it’s great. Town water around here (not available where I’m at) is ok. Most town systems need some sort of “treatment”.

I have a gareden and lawn I water back in MA with a fairly good size water bill and most of it is not going down the drain. But sewer would double the bill. I think it would cost $10k or more just to be allowed to hook up. Price keeps going up. And then $10-20k to actually hook in. So it could cost $20-$40k and double my water bill. Vs $200 to pump every few years.

You are not required to hook up. Probably if building new or septic needed replacement yes. But they don’t force you to disconnect from a working septic. I doubt any town does that. But possibly in very problematic area they do.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

I’ve had Well water at 3 locations. Only issue at all 3 was iron which is easily removed. Just had a well put in an it’s great. Town water around here (not available where I’m at) is ok. Most town systems need some sort of “treatment”.

I have gareden and lawn I water back in MA with a fairly good size water bill and most of it is not going down the drain. But sewer would double the bill. I think it would cost $10k or more just to be allowed to hook up. Price keeps going up. And then $10-20k to actually hook in. So it could cost $20-$40k and double my water bill. Vs $200 to pump every few years.

You are not required to hook up. Probably if building new or septic needed replacement yes. But they don’t force you to disconnect from a working septic. I doubt any town does that. But possibly in very problematic area they do.

Water treatment in this area is generally reverse osmosis with UV treatment. It is the most cost effective system with Laconia having the building and system built so that it could easily double or triple current output. The lake water is removed from Paugus and treated.

Our well systems generally put out iron (staining) and calcium (water spots)... hard water... but some location have organic matter and can experience soft water conditions that need to be resolved. Simple test kits exist for each.

We can get doses of arsenic or leaching of various distillate derivatives, but that is rather rare. Radon is generally only a situation with an artisan well, as the granite can embedded the water with it... but other than on the map (https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/radon/d...don-map-nh.pdf) would be rare... with odds increasing on whether the home is really tight (low air exchange) and has a basement/cellar or a crawl space.

It would be doubtful to be able to purchase a home in a low density area, not on a water body, that had the option of municipal water and sewer.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Water treatment in this area is generally reverse osmosis with UV treatment. It is the most cost effective system with Laconia having the building and system built so that it could easily double or triple current output. The lake water is removed from Paugus and treated.

Our well systems generally put out iron (staining) and calcium (water spots)... hard water... but some location have organic matter and can experience soft water conditions that need to be resolved. Simple test kits exist for each.

We can get doses of arsenic or leaching of various distillate derivatives, but that is rather rare. Radon is generally only a situation with an artisan well, as the granite can embedded the water with it... but other than on the map (https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/radon/d...don-map-nh.pdf) would be rare... with odds increasing on whether the home is really tight (low air exchange) and has a basement/cellar or a crawl space.

It would be doubtful to be able to purchase a home in a low density area, not on a water body, that had the option of municipal water and sewer.

I would only use reverse osmosis as a last resort (something bad that can't be filtered out) there a quite a few negatives with it that I didn't want to deal with.

PH is great, Hardness is great and the Iron is all undissolved Iron (a lot easier to remove). I currently have a 1 micron sediment (removes most of the iron takes it from 3 ppm to about 0.3 ppm), Pentair Iron Filter (brings iron to 0 ppm good for 80K gallons), Pentair 0.5 Micro Carbon for the whole house (all 4.5" x 20" big mothers). And a Water Drop 0.01 Micron Carbon combo at the Kitchen sink for cooking and drinking.

Oh and I had to swap my anode in the hot water heater from a passive rod to an "active" one, otherwise hot water smelled like rotten eggs. Very common issue with well water.

In MA I have a 1 micron sediment filter for whole house and just the Water Drop 0.01 micro under the kitchen sink in MA on town water.

No Reverse Osmosis, No Softener and no UV needed.

[John Mercier]

Municipal water treatment.

Homeowners in general, to my knowledge, have never gone that far.
I think I have only ever sold one RO undercounter system for drinking water.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Municipal water treatment.

Homeowners in general, to my knowledge, have never gone that far.
I think I have only ever sold one RO undercounter system for drinking water.

Then what did you mean by "Water treatment in this area is generally reverse osmosis with UV treatment"

And who/what are you responding to with "Homeowners in general, to my knowledge, have never gone that far"?

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

Then what did you mean by "Water treatment in this area is generally reverse osmosis with UV treatment"

And who/what are you responding to with "Homeowners in general, to my knowledge, have never gone that far"?

I should have stated that municipal water treatment is generally RO with UV.
Many people that are ''political'' seem to think that our local municipalities use the old tech of the places they come from.

And the second would be you... homeowners general do not go that route.

When people state direct from the lake is best, they don't realize that the municipalities draw from the lakes and then ''treat'' the water even further removing impurities. Municipal systems also have very stringent testing protocols, while as a well user... mine has only been tested three times in the last 24 years.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Municipal water treatment.

Homeowners in general, to my knowledge, have never gone that far.
I think I have only ever sold one RO undercounter system for drinking water.

We have RO in both homes--it is excellent. But I am not surprised you have sold only one. RO is very expensive compared to other filters (but very cheap compared to Poland Springs!)

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

You’re right about Moultonborough being far from everything, especially some parts. We looked at a few properties and ruled it out for some of the reasons you listed.

But as far as Water and Sewerage. I prefer a Well and Septic. Towns rip you off on that service. I have Septic in MA with a sewer line going right by. It would cost a fortune just for the permit, never mind the actual work. And once hooked up they double your water bill.

I grew up in a town that had no town sewer. Every house was on their own septic system. If they ran sewer by my house and offered a free hookup I would have said no. Pumping the tank every 5 years or so at a cost of about $200 was way cheaper.

In Gilford we have town sewer and I use water from the lake. The quarterly sewer bills are only in the $90 range. Free water and low sewer bills are a great deal.

[John Mercier]

You do not have a choice on sewer hook-up. It is at the discretion of the municipality under a waiver.

https://www.des.nh.gov/sites/g/files...ents/web-1.pdf

[Biggd]

Most communities will give you an initial hook up deal, special price and let you pay it over time interest free. I doubt they would force you to hook up unless your septic wasn't up to snuff, which would be on you to prove. So if you have an old system it would wise for you to hook up. I some cases it will make your property more valuable. If you only have a 2 bedroom septic system and you hook up to a sewer system now when you go to sell that restriction is lifted.
If you don't take the initial deal and you want to hook up at a later date then you're going to pay though the nose.

[John Mercier]

The ''deal'' is usually based on the road to lay the pipes and the equipment to dig, etc is already there. If you do it later, you entail the entire cost.

If you read the attachment, you will find that we amended the statutes about thirty years ago, and further corrected about twenty-five years ago, to allow for the waiver.

A building with a ''new'' septic system would be waived if not in a critical environmental area. They would not be forced to hook-up until the waived system failed and needed replacement or major repair. At that time, the hook-up would cost about as much as the replacement/repair.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Most communities will give you an initial hook up deal, special price and let you pay it over time interest free. I doubt they would force you to hook up unless your septic wasn't up to snuff, which would be on you to prove. So if you have an old system it would wise for you to hook up. I some cases it will make your property more valuable. If you only have a 2 bedroom septic system and you hook up to a sewer system now when you go to sell that restriction is lifted.
If you don't take the initial deal and you want to hook up at a later date then you're going to pay though the nose.

Exactly. I’m long past the good deal phase in MA.
If they allowed hook up for free and the town itself could hook in for a good price I might do it. Say if total was under $10k I probably would.
But the early “incentive” is now working against them.
My system was installed in the 70’s. It’s only my wife and I on a 3 bedroom system for the last 20 years.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

Exactly. I’m long past the good deal phase in MA.
If they allowed hook up for free and the town itself could hook in for a good price I might do it. Say if total was under $10k I probably would.
But the early “incentive” is now working against them.
My system was installed in the 70’s. It’s only my wife and I on a 3 bedroom system for the last 20 years.

I'm on Waukewan, which is Meredith's drinking water. They have done studies on extending the sewer to my neighborhood. I doubt I will be around to see it but my 2 bedroom system is over 30 years old and even though it's working fine I would jump at the chance to hook up. The road in is a half mile dirt road so if they put sewer in they would most likely pave it also and then I would pave my driveway, a win/win.
The value would go up dramatically as I have 4 sleeping areas so now it becomes a 4 bedroom home.

[John Mercier]

A lot of it will depend on the sewage plants down the line.
Waukewan and Winona, along with smaller tributaries, are part of a watershed protection area... so they are very careful.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I'm on Waukewan, which is Meredith's drinking water. They have done studies on extending the sewer to my neighborhood. I doubt I will be around to see it but my 2 bedroom system is over 30 years old and even though it's working fine I would jump at the chance to hook up. The road in is a half mile dirt road so if they put sewer in they would most likely pave it also and then I would pave my driveway, a win/win.
The value would go up dramatically as I have 4 sleeping areas so now it becomes a 4 bedroom home.

Our last lake home was like that (tons of lake homes are) and I would jump at the chance to hook that up too and would raise it's value. It's part of the reason I sold it.

New lake house is not septic limited but is 0.4 miles in on a private dirt road. As much as I hate the dirt road at times, I would miss the campy / non residential feeling the dirt road gives.