We have to get comfortable with fully vaccinated folks testing positive,' doctor says

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Welcome to the "new" normal!

As I have been saying all along... the vax does very little to prevent the spread and transmission of Covid! It just keeps you out of the hospital!


https://www.today.com/video/-we-have...s-128874053827

Woodsy

The CDC believes vaccines do reduce transmission. But more importantly, from the clip you sent, did you hear him say "among the unvaccinated, we are expecting 10,000 weekly deaths from now until March"? As I think you'd agree from your post--that's another 100,000 completely preventable deaths.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

The CDC believes vaccines do reduce transmission. But more importantly, from the clip you sent, did you hear him say "among the unvaccinated, we are expecting 10,000 weekly deaths from now until March"? As I think you'd agree from your post--that's another 100,000 completely preventable deaths.

Clearly the vax does not reduce transmission if despite being fully vaxxed still catching Covid is to be the "new" norm! The CDC study has found similar viral loads in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. Per the CDC study, the vaxxed can spread Covid. If fully vaxxed & boosted you can still catch it then you can still spread it! (Most likely before you even know that you might be sick, if you have any symptoms at all) Another tragic note to this... despite a 59% (and increasing) vaccination rate... we are seeing the same amount of deaths and hospitalizations as we did prior to the vaccines.

My point is pretty simple... I am happy that they are FINALLY admitting that the vax does not prevent a Covid infection/re-infection! (as I have been saying for months)

They are finally starting to push the vaccine for what it does do... The vax does a great job of keeping you out of the hospital. That alone is good enough for most people.

If catching Covid is to be the new normal, they just have to stop using the term "breakthrough infection". Its not a breakthrough when 30%+ of fully vaccinated/boosted people still get infected/re-infected with Covid!

As to the 10K per week dead... I will believe when it happens! I suspect the death toll will be far fewer as Delta fades and Omicron (predicted to be less lethal) surges. Of course after Omicron there will be other variants... hopefully even less lethal.

Woodsy

[Seaplane Pilot]

“Overwhelming Majority are FULLY VAXXED”

https://nationalfile.com/california-...-fully-vaxxed/

[Flylady]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

“Overwhelming Majority are FULLY VAXXED”

https://nationalfile.com/california-...-fully-vaxxed/

Today, @GavinNewsom explained the recent mask mandate (that won't be enforced) is because, of the 48 Omicron cases identified in CA, "the overwhelming majority have been fully vaccinated. That's why masking becomes even more important in this environment." pic.twitter.com/UOZhcvlsZA

48 cases in the state does not represent the entire state.
So wearing a mask will help contain the spread of virus if you are infected and do not know it.......

Perhaps also prevent a person from getting it as well. Same reason hospital staff are wearing masks.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Today, @GavinNewsom explained the recent mask mandate (that won't be enforced) is because, of the 48 Omicron cases identified in CA, "the overwhelming majority have been fully vaccinated. That's why masking becomes even more important in this environment." pic.twitter.com/UOZhcvlsZA

48 cases in the state does not represent the entire state.
So wearing a mask will help contain the spread of virus if you are infected and do not know it.......

Perhaps also prevent a person from getting it as well. Same reason hospital staff are wearing masks.

Most don't realize that they normally quarantine the infected in isolation wards... a lock down isolates the entire population by limiting personal interaction, and is basically used because testing is ineffective or not readily available.

Everything being prescribed is what they learned during the 1918 Flu, except the vaccines. Flu vaccine was not developed to long after flu became endemic.

[Newbiesaukee]

Says it all.

Quibble all you want about details. And there have been data errors by NH. But there are few reasons not to get vaccinated.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Clearly the vax does not reduce transmission if despite being fully vaxxed still catching Covid is to be the "new" norm! The CDC study has found similar viral loads in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. Per the CDC study, the vaxxed can spread Covid. If fully vaxxed & boosted you can still catch it then you can still spread it! (Most likely before you even know that you might be sick, if you have any symptoms at all) Another tragic note to this... despite a 59% (and increasing) vaccination rate... we are seeing the same amount of deaths and hospitalizations as we did prior to the vaccines.

My point is pretty simple... I am happy that they are FINALLY admitting that the vax does not prevent a Covid infection/re-infection! (as I have been saying for months)

They are finally starting to push the vaccine for what it does do... The vax does a great job of keeping you out of the hospital. That alone is good enough for most people.

If catching Covid is to be the new normal, they just have to stop using the term "breakthrough infection". Its not a breakthrough when 30%+ of fully vaccinated/boosted people still get infected/re-infected with Covid!

As to the 10K per week dead... I will believe when it happens! I suspect the death toll will be far fewer as Delta fades and Omicron (predicted to be less lethal) surges. Of course after Omicron there will be other variants... hopefully even less lethal.

Woodsy

It’s averaging 8400 a week now and we have not really seen Omicron really get started yet and that won’t immediately mean Delta suddenly disappears either.

There is very little evidence Omicron is less lethal. Way to early. It is clear that it spreads much faster though. COVID variants hit different populations very differently too. Probably won’t know how lethal in USA for 6-8 weeks.