Gilford to have meeting on Short Term Rentals Monday

Descant · 01-30-2022, 12:54 PM

It's almost like some of these businesses were STR.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...cIntyre+Circle
BTW, the Mart moved across from the airport, where Tractor Supply is now.

John Mercier · 01-30-2022, 02:13 PM

Businesses have come and gone, but it generally isn't related to tourism.

The numbers that the State has put out for about the last decade were around $6 billion in economic activity from tourism, and anywhere from 75 to 85 percent being from residents of the State.

They see that in everything from snowmobiling on through... snowmobiling/OHRVs just give them a greater sense of the number because we don't have reciprocal registration; so the accounting is a little more accurate.

Oddly, they have public outcry in the STR (rentals) in that category also.

So more long term residents to the area, regardless of having a kitchen, is really what supports these businesses.

Same thing happens in our business... new build currently has control, but I still need to focus on the renovations/repairs that homeowners DYI... because the economy will slow, and they are the long term customer that keeps the business running; that is why I like the small old camps and cottages.

Cal-to-NH · 02-17-2022, 09:27 AM

Here it is - passed by NH Legislature
Can't outlaw them
But you can Regulate the hell out of them

Short-term rentals
A bill to ban municipalities from enacting zoning that would prohibit short-term rentals passed on a voice vote. Proponents of SB 249 pointed to the economic importance of tourism in the state. Sen. Rebecca Perkins Kwoka, a Portsmouth Democrat, spoke against the bill. Given the impact short-term rentals have on the price and availability of housing in the state, she said municipalities should be able to pass local regulations to address the issue in their own community.

https://newhampshirebulletin.com/202...5-2a5bf5694677

John Mercier · 02-17-2022, 08:06 PM

Docket seems to only be the NH Senate.
Nothing on the NH House or Governor.

And could be subject to repeal next session after the election if enacted.
So it still has a ways to go.

Cal-to-NH · 02-23-2022, 08:33 AM

Will probably go in the end..

John Mercier · 02-23-2022, 07:53 PM

Maybe. But it is easier to get through the 24 Senators than it is the 400 House members.

Especially when it took three voice votes and an amendment to get through the Senate.

Cal-to-NH · 02-24-2022, 07:27 PM

One voice vote - the only vote.

Love voice votes, means overwhelming "Yea"

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill...2064&inflect=2

John Mercier · 02-24-2022, 07:34 PM

See the 3rdg... that means three readings.

Cal-to-NH · 02-25-2022, 08:07 AM

Hmmmmm

Intro to pass in less than 45 days on a single amendment and single (voice) vote... Didn't look like a lot of resistance to me.

Good point on what happens in the House... We'll see.

Sununu won't be an issue

John Mercier · 02-25-2022, 08:54 AM

You do realize a pass in the commitee which has schedule that has to be met so the bill can move to the Senate - also not the only bill that committee works on.

And you actually see two VV in your listing. One for the amendment and one for the recommendation of the bill with the amendment.

You keep saying one voice vote... when even your link shows two. But they never record votes on the motion as VV just as further readings.

And it ended up on the regular calendar.

That is for a bill proposed by the committee chair. Who was the one that most likely entered the motion to amend in the first place after suffering backlash by his constituents.
He had a 3-2 vote before even going to amendment.

Cal-to-NH · 02-25-2022, 01:36 PM

You're right. Actually, three affirmative votes, not one.

On Feb 10th, affirmative 5-0

https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/Sen...010%202022.pdf
(page 9)

Point also well taken we'll see if it is embraced as much in the House as the Senate. We'll have to see.

I still see that there's a compromise in there that should be OK with everybody in the end....

John Mercier · 02-25-2022, 02:25 PM

He had three affirmatives prior to the vote... even prior to the amendment.
The amendment after the third reading must have been enough to get everyone on board.

What I normally saw in the past; laws meant to cover the entire State generally run into larger debates.

The one NHOHVA got through the House Transportation Committee on a 24-0 vote, got killed on the floor. When they went back again, they moved that only Coos county would be involved... didn't pass the House Transport unanimously that time, but went through even on the floor.

The committees are a slice of the State... so things don't always go as expected.

Descant · 02-25-2022, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mercier

See the 3rdg... that means three readings.

Actually, since all legislators can read now, there is no 3rd reading. At the end of the day, there is a third reading motion, "by which all bills are hereby read a third time", among other things. Same with the first two readings at different times in the legislative process.

John Mercier · 02-25-2022, 08:52 PM

So it automatically goes to 3rdg? Interesting.

I have never sat in their Executive Meeting, not sure if anyone from the public can, so my presumption was that each time the wording in a motion was changed it had to be re-read.

I know that Hosmer talked to French to get the bill amended to match Laconia more closely... that was in the paper.
But I think that Hosmer, like French, has a little more interest in seeing the bill pass than their constituents.

Especially since Laconia adopted their position without any need for new legislation.

01-30-2022, 12:54 PM	#1
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,598 Thanks: 1,418 Thanked 1,705 Times in 1,109 Posts	Big Banana, Roadkill, Red Barn It's almost like some of these businesses were STR. https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...cIntyre+Circle BTW, the Mart moved across from the airport, where Tractor Supply is now.

02-17-2022, 09:27 AM	#3
Cal-to-NH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 114 Thanks: 17 Thanked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Can't Ban STRs Here it is - passed by NH Legislature Can't outlaw them But you can Regulate the hell out of them Short-term rentals A bill to ban municipalities from enacting zoning that would prohibit short-term rentals passed on a voice vote. Proponents of SB 249 pointed to the economic importance of tourism in the state. Sen. Rebecca Perkins Kwoka, a Portsmouth Democrat, spoke against the bill. Given the impact short-term rentals have on the price and availability of housing in the state, she said municipalities should be able to pass local regulations to address the issue in their own community. https://newhampshirebulletin.com/202...5-2a5bf5694677

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01-30-2022, 02:13 PM	#2
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	Businesses have come and gone, but it generally isn't related to tourism. The numbers that the State has put out for about the last decade were around $6 billion in economic activity from tourism, and anywhere from 75 to 85 percent being from residents of the State. They see that in everything from snowmobiling on through... snowmobiling/OHRVs just give them a greater sense of the number because we don't have reciprocal registration; so the accounting is a little more accurate. Oddly, they have public outcry in the STR (rentals) in that category also. So more long term residents to the area, regardless of having a kitchen, is really what supports these businesses. Same thing happens in our business... new build currently has control, but I still need to focus on the renovations/repairs that homeowners DYI... because the economy will slow, and they are the long term customer that keeps the business running; that is why I like the small old camps and cottages.

02-17-2022, 08:06 PM	#4
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	Docket seems to only be the NH Senate. Nothing on the NH House or Governor. And could be subject to repeal next session after the election if enacted. So it still has a ways to go.

02-23-2022, 08:33 AM	#5
Cal-to-NH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 114 Thanks: 17 Thanked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Will probably go in the end..

02-23-2022, 07:53 PM	#6
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	Maybe. But it is easier to get through the 24 Senators than it is the 400 House members. Especially when it took three voice votes and an amendment to get through the Senate.

02-24-2022, 07:27 PM	#7
Cal-to-NH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 114 Thanks: 17 Thanked 56 Times in 27 Posts	One voice vote - the only vote. Love voice votes, means overwhelming "Yea" http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill...2064&inflect=2

02-24-2022, 07:34 PM	#8
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	See the 3rdg... that means three readings.

02-25-2022, 08:07 AM	#9
Cal-to-NH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 114 Thanks: 17 Thanked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Hmmmmm Intro to pass in less than 45 days on a single amendment and single (voice) vote... Didn't look like a lot of resistance to me. Good point on what happens in the House... We'll see. Sununu won't be an issue

02-25-2022, 08:54 AM	#10
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	You do realize a pass in the commitee which has schedule that has to be met so the bill can move to the Senate - also not the only bill that committee works on. And you actually see two VV in your listing. One for the amendment and one for the recommendation of the bill with the amendment. You keep saying one voice vote... when even your link shows two. But they never record votes on the motion as VV just as further readings. And it ended up on the regular calendar. That is for a bill proposed by the committee chair. Who was the one that most likely entered the motion to amend in the first place after suffering backlash by his constituents. He had a 3-2 vote before even going to amendment.

02-25-2022, 01:36 PM	#11
Cal-to-NH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 114 Thanks: 17 Thanked 56 Times in 27 Posts	You're right. Actually, three affirmative votes, not one. On Feb 10th, affirmative 5-0 https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/Sen...010%202022.pdf (page 9) Point also well taken we'll see if it is embraced as much in the House as the Senate. We'll have to see. I still see that there's a compromise in there that should be OK with everybody in the end....

02-25-2022, 02:25 PM	#12
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	He had three affirmatives prior to the vote... even prior to the amendment. The amendment after the third reading must have been enough to get everyone on board. What I normally saw in the past; laws meant to cover the entire State generally run into larger debates. The one NHOHVA got through the House Transportation Committee on a 24-0 vote, got killed on the floor. When they went back again, they moved that only Coos county would be involved... didn't pass the House Transport unanimously that time, but went through even on the floor. The committees are a slice of the State... so things don't always go as expected.

02-25-2022, 08:52 PM	#14
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,998 Thanks: 3 Thanked 680 Times in 562 Posts	So it automatically goes to 3rdg? Interesting. I have never sat in their Executive Meeting, not sure if anyone from the public can, so my presumption was that each time the wording in a motion was changed it had to be re-read. I know that Hosmer talked to French to get the bill amended to match Laconia more closely... that was in the paper. But I think that Hosmer, like French, has a little more interest in seeing the bill pass than their constituents. Especially since Laconia adopted their position without any need for new legislation.