Trespassers on Bear today

[fatlazyless]

The Bear Island Post Office dock is owned by the Town of Meredith so that could be a good spot for a portable rental toilet. Other locations for a portable rental toilet are Cattle Landing parking lot, Love Joy Sands parking lot, Meredith town docks parking lot, and Leavitt Beach, Meredith, parking lot.

That's five different Meredith locations where a rental porta-potty would be usefull. If a porta-potty got placed in these locations, it would probably get used, and probably annoy a number of people at the same time, just for it being there. While there is a need for public toilets, it's like the solution with port-potties is maybe considered to be worse than the problem, so nothing happens.

In the winter, snowmobilers and ice fisherman just use the ice. In the summer, kayakers, boaters, and patrons at The Dive all use the lake. When hikers walking the 2200-mile Appalachian Trail need to go, they use the woods and are supposed to dig a small hole in the ground in the woods. Lake Winnipesaukee presents a difficult situation for locating public toilets and people just pee in the lake when the water is warm enough in the summer, but that becomes a problem when the water temp is too cold, like right now with 57-degree water temp.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

In the winter, snowmobilers and ice fisherman just use the ice. In the summer, kayakers, boaters, and patrons at The Dive all use the lake.

Patrons at the Dive? Really Les? They do have facilities on board...

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Lake Winnipesaukee presents a difficult situation for locating public toilets and people just pee in the lake when the water is warm enough in the summer, but that becomes a problem when the water temp is too cold, like right now with 57-degree water temp.

Again I say, plan ahead. Yes, it's an inconvenience. Too bad. A kayaker's inconvenience doesn't supersede a property owner's expectation of privacy and respect for his land. I was kayaking in Maine yesterday. On long trips I carry a two-part bucket toilet with pine pellets for liquid waste and sawdust for solid (hence my question here some time ago about sources of sawdust in the Lakes Region). It took me a while yesterday to find a secluded wooded area. Inconvenient, yes, but common sense. Like your mama said, go to the bathroom before you hit the road or the water. I'm not claiming I would never land my kayak on private land to pee if I had to. Just that I wouldn't brazenly pull up to someone's dock, pee in front of their house, lounge around, and make rude comments in front of the cameras. I would find a secluded place well away from houses. I think the OP was most bothered by the attitude of the kayakers, not the damage caused by peeing on his land.

All outdoor sports people have to deal with this problem---boaters, hikers, backpackers, campers, canoeists, cyclists, fishermen, etc. Kayakers don't really have more of a challenge than, say, cyclists. All have the same obligation to find a wooded area and be discrete. The water temperature doesn't change that obligation.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

"...Lake Winnipesaukee presents a difficult situation for locating public toilets and people just pee in the lake when the water is warm enough in the summer, but that becomes a problem when the water temp is too cold, like right now with 57-degree water temp...."

Not really, FLL. You can step out of your kayak, legally stand in ankle-deep water, and pee on the property stakes.

You wouldn’t be guilty of trespassing--much less Criminal Trespass.

We didn't have this "problem" until widespread availability and installations of "surveillance" cameras.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ApS

Not really, FLL. You can step out of your kayak, legally stand in ankle-deep water, and pee on the property stakes.

You wouldn’t be guilty of trespassing--much less Criminal Trespass.

We didn't have this "problem" until widespread availability and installations of "surveillance" cameras.

The people weren't actually guilty of criminal trespass. The property is not posted.

They showed bad judgement.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by ApS

Not really, FLL. You can step out of your kayak, legally stand in ankle-deep water, and pee on the property stakes.

Until someone sees you do it, at which point it can become a much larger problem. Its a quick way to get arrested for indecent exposure or fined for public urination or defecation

I hadn't seen this one before until I looked it up.

645:1-a Public Urination or Defecation. – A person is guilty of a violation if such person urinates or defecates in a public place, other than a public restroom, under circumstances where the person knew or should have known would likely cause affront or alarm to another.

[tis]

Well wouldn't it look pretty if every piece of property was plastered with No Trespassing signs. No picnics allowed on my front lawn.

[John Mercier]

Believe me... it is a major problem.
I hate the look of the posted signs... but nothing else seems to work... and those signs are always disappearing or being ignored.

[tis]

I can see them on large parcels where there is no home. But if you own a house with say, an acre and need to post signs to keep people off, it is ridiculous!! Oh wait, I forgot your land belongs to the government.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by tis

I can see them on large parcels where there is no home. But if you own a house with say, an acre and need to post signs to keep people off, it is ridiculous!! Oh wait, I forgot your land belongs to the government.

Government protection is just not extended.
It use to be that motorized users and stray dogs could also trespass... but they have now limited them... though no one really pays attention.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Until someone sees you do it, at which point it can become a much larger problem. Its a quick way to get arrested for indecent exposure or fined for public urination or defecation I hadn't seen this one before until I looked it up. 645:1-a Public Urination or Defecation. – A person is guilty of a violation if such person urinates or defecates in a public place, other than a public restroom, under circumstances where the person knew or should have known would likely cause affront or alarm to another.

I don't have ANY cameras!

How would ANYONE know of these offenses without these latest cameras?

[ITD]

Originally Posted by ApS

I don't have ANY cameras!

How would ANYONE know of these offenses without these latest cameras?

It's tough to get away with anything anymore APS, not good to forget this.

I have cameras on my property, astute people notice them right away. We were robbed about 10 years ago, the crooks maneuvered so as to not be seen. They stole a fairly new, but inexpensive tv, a tv stand, and a 20 year old obsolete dvd player. Together they were worth less than the my insurance deductible. Stupidly I called the cops, who promptly interrogated the trusted people who do things for me around the house.... never again for a small break in. I added a couple more cameras.

"How would anyone know of these offenses with out the latest cameras?"

There was a genius a while back, roaming a neighborhood, dropping a deuce on the sidewalk just about every morning. How do you think people knew about these offenses?? I'll leave that to your imagination and intellect. Finally someone fed up with with the deuce man, set up a camera and caught him on video with dropped trou, dropping one. Turns out it was a school administrator, the sidewalk deuces stopped appearing and he was dealt with.

Things like this are generally not a one off event. I'm willing to bet the people in this post regularly made stops at various properties. While it doesn't appear deuces were dropped here, urine was. Here's the thing, urine, when exposed to air for a while, decomposes and stinks. Especially if it is recurring thing in an area.

If you have an emergency, find somewhere out of the way, away from other people's homes and don't be a jerk about it. Otherwise you might find yourself on social media, acting like a fool on video.

[fatlazyless]

Ok, so I googled "How to pee in a kayak" and came up with a number of videos and helpful articles ...... http://www.ericlillstrom.com/2016/09...in-your-kayak/ and then googled "How to pee on a standup paddleboard" and didn't find anything specific to paddleboards but thought this ..... www.paddleabout.com/how-to-pee-while-kayaking/ ..... was helpful.

Coming from somewhere in Gilford, if they paddled all the way from Gilford to Bear Island in Meredith though the big open Lake Winnipesaukee spaces with cold 57-degree lake water they probably just needed to take a quick break, stretch their legs a wee bit and then shove off on their return paddle back to Gilford, or somewhere.

Was it simply three kayak paddlers aged 60's and 50's who could be cold, wet and tired after a long paddle from Gilford who needed to take a pit stop before getting back into their kayaks for more paddling? Peeing while in a kayak is problematic and difficult and is so much more comfortable to get out on shore, somewhere, and stretch one's legs before continuing on with the paddle.

If it had been three black bears, a momma bear and two small young sibling bears who got comfortable within the view of the homeowner's security camera while they did their business, it would have been delightfully cute to view, but that doesn't really translate over to similar activity with three kayak paddlers or something, so's probably I should give up trying to make an analogy, here, between wild black bears and kayak paddlers who need to take a pit stop when the lake water is a chilly 57-degrees. Just like the bears, when you gotta go ....... and you know the rest of this story.

From the photos in the first post, it looks like two of the paddlers are wearing black wet suits, while the lady with the bright yellow cap is wearing blue jeans which tend to get wet and stay wet when paddling a kayak.