HUB status in Moultonborough

FlyingScot · 05-27-2023, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

Honestly I can't see anybody being against SB2 except the little town clicks that want everything that they approve of to pass having their own personal agenda. Most people don't want to take the time to go to town meeting so very few end up voting. SB2 takes very little time to run in during the day and vote.

Exactly. The "perfect democracy" of Town Meeting is baloney. The largest effect of these meetings today is to impose a steep cost on voting, so that only those who have the most time and most at stake will vote. We erase a huge chunk of voters.

In this particular case, it's easy to see HUB supporters rallying every time--if they win, they get the huge reward of a subsidized pool. People who just think this is not the best thing for the town...maybe they show every time, maybe they just get tired of the hassle

John Mercier · 05-27-2023, 08:54 AM

We have been under SB2 for decades...
It doesn't stop what you are expecting.

The majority of town residents' attitude is what forms the basis of the town's future development.

Moultonborough is pushing a tourism/recreation town.

Sue Doe-Nym · 05-30-2023, 10:10 PM

In a communication with the Select Board Chair, we learned that there will be sufficient accommodations for seniors and especially those voters with mobility problems. There should not be a problem with drop offs, and spaces specifically designated for handicapped will require the necessary placard. No exceptions, we were told….so that the captain of the track team can’t come wheeling in and grab a prime parking spot! Lines should be shorter, and those needing special attention can be moved to the head of a line. Hopefully, this will answer some questions, and pass it along if so. We need lots of support, so show up and vote!

tis · 05-31-2023, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

We have been under SB2 for decades...
It doesn't stop what you are expecting.

The majority of town residents' attitude is what forms the basis of the town's future development.

Moultonborough is pushing a tourism/recreation town.

Unfortunately most voters are not informed. They vote for something if it says recommended by the planning board or selectmen or whatever. I stood outside talking to voters years ago and was shocked at how little they knew about what they were voting for. Zoning amendments are particularly difficult unless you have studied before hand because for instance if they are recommending a change, it doesn't tell you what it is changing from. In this case, it has been publicly discusses enough so the voters know what they are voting for and therefore the big turnout.

jbolty · 06-01-2023, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Exactly. The "perfect democracy" of Town Meeting is baloney. The largest effect of these meetings today is to impose a steep cost on voting, so that only those who have the most time and most at stake will vote. We erase a huge chunk of voters.

In this particular case, it's easy to see HUB supporters rallying every time--if they win, they get the huge reward of a subsidized pool. People who just think this is not the best thing for the town...maybe they show every time, maybe they just get tired of the hassle

This. People give up from exhaustion but the zealots have never ending energy and if it comes up enough times it will pass eventually.

tis · 06-01-2023, 04:42 PM

Please let us know how it goes today!

winni83 · 06-01-2023, 04:56 PM

Just got to Town Meeting. Still room in the auditorium and was able to park on the school property. No chaos yet but it’s not supposed to start for an hour.

Susie Cougar · 06-01-2023, 05:50 PM

Any update?

winni83 · 06-01-2023, 05:55 PM

Six minutes to start time. Unknown if it will start on time.

TheProfessor · 06-01-2023, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by winni83

Six minutes to start time. Unknown if it will start on time.

What was the vote ?

Susie Cougar · 06-01-2023, 06:09 PM

How many people are there, would you guess?

winni83 · 06-01-2023, 06:10 PM

No vote yet. Article 2 is being presented. Then debate then secret ballot box open for an hour so we are a long way from voting on the HUB.

winni83 · 06-01-2023, 06:25 PM

No idea as to attendance numbers. Auditorium is full and there are quite a few people in the gym and the cafeteria.

winni83 · 06-01-2023, 07:13 PM

Debate ended on the Hub at 6:47 so ballot box is open until 7:47. Article 3, SB 2 is now on the floor.

05-30-2023, 10:10 PM	#3
Sue Doe-Nym Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 759 Thanked 796 Times in 419 Posts	Veering back on the HUB track In a communication with the Select Board Chair, we learned that there will be sufficient accommodations for seniors and especially those voters with mobility problems. There should not be a problem with drop offs, and spaces specifically designated for handicapped will require the necessary placard. No exceptions, we were told….so that the captain of the track team can’t come wheeling in and grab a prime parking spot! Lines should be shorter, and those needing special attention can be moved to the head of a line. Hopefully, this will answer some questions, and pass it along if so. We need lots of support, so show up and vote!

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05-27-2023, 08:54 AM	#2
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,977 Thanks: 3 Thanked 678 Times in 561 Posts	We have been under SB2 for decades... It doesn't stop what you are expecting. The majority of town residents' attitude is what forms the basis of the town's future development. Moultonborough is pushing a tourism/recreation town.

06-01-2023, 04:42 PM	#6
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,941 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	Please let us know how it goes today!

06-01-2023, 04:56 PM	#7
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 439 Thanks: 17 Thanked 218 Times in 138 Posts	Just got to Town Meeting. Still room in the auditorium and was able to park on the school property. No chaos yet but it’s not supposed to start for an hour.

06-01-2023, 05:50 PM	#8
Susie Cougar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Parrish, Florida Posts: 626 Thanks: 296 Thanked 225 Times in 160 Posts	Any update?

06-01-2023, 05:55 PM	#9
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 439 Thanks: 17 Thanked 218 Times in 138 Posts	Six minutes to start time. Unknown if it will start on time.

06-01-2023, 06:09 PM	#11
Susie Cougar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Parrish, Florida Posts: 626 Thanks: 296 Thanked 225 Times in 160 Posts	How many people are there, would you guess?

06-01-2023, 06:10 PM	#12
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 439 Thanks: 17 Thanked 218 Times in 138 Posts	No vote yet. Article 2 is being presented. Then debate then secret ballot box open for an hour so we are a long way from voting on the HUB.

06-01-2023, 06:25 PM	#13
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 439 Thanks: 17 Thanked 218 Times in 138 Posts	No idea as to attendance numbers. Auditorium is full and there are quite a few people in the gym and the cafeteria.

06-01-2023, 07:13 PM	#14
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 439 Thanks: 17 Thanked 218 Times in 138 Posts	Debate ended on the Hub at 6:47 so ballot box is open until 7:47. Article 3, SB 2 is now on the floor.