Go Back   Winnipesaukee Forum > Winnipesaukee Forums > Boating
Home Forums Gallery Webcams Blogs YouTube Channel Classifieds Register FAQ Members List Donate Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-14-2023, 09:29 AM   #1
The Real BigGuy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,330
Thanks: 128
Thanked 478 Times in 293 Posts
Default

I’m sure they are “lawyered up” and are planning the usual defenses (I wasn’t on the boat, someone stole my boat, there must be a boat like mine w/a falsified registration number, etc.). Hope he/they get more than a slap on the wrist! Not sure taking someone’s boating license will stop these guys from operating.


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
The Real BigGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2023, 10:20 AM   #2
Cobaltdeadhead
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 49
Thanks: 3
Thanked 38 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Make a condition of operating with a suspended license the same as a car; you get caught, you go to jail. This wealthy A-hole should not be above the law
Cobaltdeadhead is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Cobaltdeadhead For This Useful Post:
Jeanzb1 (08-14-2023), The Real BigGuy (08-14-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 10:51 PM   #3
LoveLakeLife
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 673
Thanks: 106
Thanked 230 Times in 152 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobaltdeadhead View Post
Make a condition of operating with a suspended license the same as a car; you get caught, you go to jail. This wealthy A-hole should not be above the law
Wealthy = bad?


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
LoveLakeLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 05:30 AM   #4
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,941
Thanks: 795
Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts
Default

The boat is regularly in Winter Harbor visiting someone. I didn't know people owned their own cranes. How does that work?
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 06:51 AM   #5
TiltonBB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Gilford, NH and Florida
Posts: 3,159
Thanks: 748
Thanked 2,277 Times in 986 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tis View Post
The boat is regularly in Winter Harbor visiting someone. I didn't know people owned their own cranes. How does that work?
You go into the crane business and buy some cranes. You hire operators and rent them out. People use them, usually on construction sites, and the crane owner hopes to make money.

There you go. No need to thank me.
TiltonBB is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to TiltonBB For This Useful Post:
joey2665 (08-15-2023)
Sponsored Links
Old 08-15-2023, 08:00 AM   #6
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,941
Thanks: 795
Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltonBB View Post
You go into the crane business and buy some cranes. You hire operators and rent them out. People use them, usually on construction sites, and the crane owner hopes to make money.

There you go. No need to thank me.
Not sure how to take your post. Are you being funny, sarcastic, or just plain mean? I didn't take the OPs comment to mean that the operator owned a crane business, I thought maybe if you docked at Silver Sands you could have your own crane in your berth and I had never heard of it.
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 09:53 AM   #7
TiltonBB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Gilford, NH and Florida
Posts: 3,159
Thanks: 748
Thanked 2,277 Times in 986 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tis View Post
Not sure how to take your post. Are you being funny, sarcastic, or just plain mean? I didn't take the OPs comment to mean that the operator owned a crane business, I thought maybe if you docked at Silver Sands you could have your own crane in your berth and I had never heard of it.
The crane was rented from Astro Crane a company out of Boxborough, MA. The boat is being taken out of the water this morning at 10 AM. For the present time it will be left on blocks and stands at Silver Sands Marina.

The travel lift at Silver Sands is not big enough to lift the SeaRay. The boat weighs about 20,000 pounds more than the Silver Sands travel lift can pick up.

This location has been the site of several of the launches for the largest boats on the lake. Each time, a large capacity crane has been brought in.
TiltonBB is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TiltonBB For This Useful Post:
wingnuts (08-15-2023)
Old 08-15-2023, 08:26 AM   #8
ApS
Senior Member
 
ApS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro
Posts: 6,028
Thanks: 2,284
Thanked 789 Times in 564 Posts
Cool No Attorney Necessary...

I just realized this morning that I had a front seat to this "accident"!

That explains all the boat traffic while I was having an early lunch. There may have been a second barge docked there at the time.

One excavator barge left this morning at 7:30AM.

The crash took place at a prominent point of shoreline we've always called Camp Keewaydin--after the road that services the area.

The wrecked boat is one I've seen docking a number of times. The operator's handling skills are amazing. He docks that boat as if it had side-thrusters!

The HackerCraft may be totalled, although both new and ancient examples range from $35,000 to $120,000+. These boats have been manufactured--and raced--since the roaring Twenties.

http://www.classicboat.com/antique-b...mmuter-27k.htm
(Notice the removed shoes of all aboard flopped in the center: only bare feet allowed!)

As for the "driver" of the offending boat, I think he tripped on a boat cushion, hit his head on the throttle, crashed, recalled the fatal skiing accident of Liam Neesom's wife (head injury), phoned for help, was rushed to shore nearby, then feeling better, and no worse for wear, later declined further assistance from friends.

Would it be schadenfreude if the Hacker Craft belonged to him?
ApS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 08:48 AM   #9
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 6,533
Thanks: 2,454
Thanked 5,467 Times in 2,143 Posts
Default Accident Location

This is where the accident took place....
Attached Images
 
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ishoot308 For This Useful Post:
ApS (08-15-2023)
Old 08-15-2023, 08:54 AM   #10
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 6,533
Thanks: 2,454
Thanked 5,467 Times in 2,143 Posts
Default Value

Quote:
Originally Posted by ApS View Post
The HackerCraft may be totalled, although both new and ancient examples range from $35,000 to $120,000+.
APS;

Don't you think that Hackercraft is worth a heck of a lot more than that?? I see one "original" on boat trader going for $670,000.00!! This one involved in the accident is probably not an early original but still the value has to be much higher...

I personally would much rather have the Hackercraft than the Searay!!

Dan
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ishoot308 For This Useful Post:
stingray (08-22-2023)
Old 08-15-2023, 09:01 AM   #11
Woodsy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Weirs Beach
Posts: 1,974
Thanks: 80
Thanked 984 Times in 443 Posts
Default

ishoot...

Word on the FB fb pages is that the woody was a replica, not an original. Not that is any consolation given the large amount of damage.

It will be interesting to see this all play out...

Woodsy
__________________
The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.
Woodsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 09:10 AM   #12
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 6,533
Thanks: 2,454
Thanked 5,467 Times in 2,143 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy View Post
ishoot...

Word on the FB fb pages is that the woody was a replica, not an original. Not that is any consolation given the large amount of damage.

It will be interesting to see this all play out...

Woodsy
I figured it was a replica but it is still made by Hackercraft correct?...they are still making boats and I see the Hackercraft sticker and logo on the side...so while it is a replica design of a old woody, it's still a Hackercraft....

https://hackerboat.com/boat_builder/...runabout/front
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 09:48 AM   #13
Shreddy
Senior Member
 
Shreddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Moultonboro
Posts: 519
Thanks: 185
Thanked 229 Times in 120 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ishoot308 View Post
APS;

Don't you think that Hackercraft is worth a heck of a lot more than that?? I see one "original" on boat trader going for $670,000.00!! This one involved in the accident is probably not an early original but still the value has to be much higher...

I personally would much rather have the Hackercraft than the Searay!!

Dan
If I had to guess that's an early 90's Hacker. Still original and still very costly, probably close to $350-400k value. Wooden boats are still being made by certain manufacturers but often construed to be "antique".
__________________
Shreddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2023, 06:44 AM   #14
Cobaltdeadhead
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 49
Thanks: 3
Thanked 38 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife View Post
Wealthy = bad?


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
No

I'm simply implying that in the American court system, those with the means to afford high priced attorneys tend to receive lesser sentences than those that cannot afford such representation.

It shouldn't be that way. This jerk should receive the same sentence as someone else committing similar crimes who doesn't have those means and requires a public defender.
Cobaltdeadhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2023, 10:21 AM   #15
trashman
Senior Member
 
trashman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Meredith
Posts: 54
Thanks: 4
Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Total jerks. I bet when they hit this boat they didnt stick around to even make sure noone else was on or around that woody. Just concerned about themselves. That Sea Ray will be sold and they will be the same old jerks on some other boat next summer. Thank God noone got hurt.
trashman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to trashman For This Useful Post:
Electric man (08-15-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 10:34 AM   #16
Winilyme
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Ice in = CT / Ice out = Winnipesaukee
Posts: 577
Thanks: 168
Thanked 324 Times in 175 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trashman View Post
Total jerks. I bet when they hit this boat they didnt stick around to even make sure noone else was on or around that woody. Just concerned about themselves. That Sea Ray will be sold and they will be the same old jerks on some other boat next summer. Thank God noone got hurt.
All the names you all are calling these clowns are far too generous. I for one, lack words.
Winilyme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2023, 11:15 AM   #17
chachee52
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Gilford, NH
Posts: 520
Thanks: 6
Thanked 105 Times in 83 Posts
Default

Boat is being towed back to MP headquarters right now. MP right there with them
Attached Images
 
chachee52 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to chachee52 For This Useful Post:
LIforrelaxin (08-14-2023), wingnuts (08-15-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 11:24 AM   #18
LIforrelaxin
Senior Member
 
LIforrelaxin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee
Posts: 2,970
Thanks: 1,064
Thanked 912 Times in 539 Posts
Default

Its going to be interesting to see how this one unfolds... Of course I also wonder just how many details we are going to get as the investigation goes on.....

They MP have all the information they need to get this figured out, we all just need to allow that to happen.......
__________________
Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....
LIforrelaxin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2023, 11:28 AM   #19
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 6,533
Thanks: 2,454
Thanked 5,467 Times in 2,143 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin View Post
Its going to be interesting to see how this one unfolds... Of course I also wonder just how many details we are going to get as the investigation goes on.....

They MP have all the information they need to get this figured out, we all just need to allow that to happen.......
We will probably get as much information as the guy who hit nipple rock! Those names were never released to the public!….makes you wonder why?….

Dan
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to ishoot308 For This Useful Post:
codeman671 (08-14-2023), LIforrelaxin (08-14-2023), pjard (08-15-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 11:42 AM   #20
FlyingScot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA
Posts: 2,544
Thanks: 1,411
Thanked 1,072 Times in 666 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ishoot308 View Post
We will probably get as much information as the guy who hit nipple rock! Those names were never released to the public!….makes you wonder why?….

Dan
The guy who hit a rock just hit a rock. Destroying somebody else's boat and fleeing may be criminal. If not criminal, it's at least subject to a civil lawsuit. Either way leaves a public record
FlyingScot is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to FlyingScot For This Useful Post:
Pricestavern (08-15-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 11:48 AM   #21
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 6,533
Thanks: 2,454
Thanked 5,467 Times in 2,143 Posts
Default Hit A Rock?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingScot View Post
The guy who hit a rock just hit a rock. Destroying somebody else's boat and fleeing may be criminal. If not criminal, it's at least subject to a civil lawsuit. Either way leaves a public record
The guy just didn’t “hit a rock”….he and his passenger were both ejected into the water while his boat went dangerously around in circles before eventually hitting the back end of a marine patrol boat and nearly killed two officers while dragging them under the overturned and capsized RIB…..Yet no names released?…really?? Sorry but something stinks to high heaven on that one!

Dan
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ishoot308 For This Useful Post:
CubRun (08-15-2023), LIforrelaxin (08-15-2023), Seaplane Pilot (08-14-2023), tummyman (08-14-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 11:56 AM   #22
chachee52
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Gilford, NH
Posts: 520
Thanks: 6
Thanked 105 Times in 83 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ishoot308 View Post
The guy just didn’t “hit a rock”….he and his passenger were both ejected into the water while his boat went dangerously around in circles before eventually hitting the back end of a marine patrol boat and nearly killed two officers while dragging them under the overturned and capsized RIB…..Yet no names released?…really?? Sorry but something stinks to high heaven on that one!

Dan
I think what they are trying to say is the guy that hit Nipple rock might not have had any charges because no significant laws were broken, so no names would have been made public. Might have been an unfortunate accident.
chachee52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2023, 12:00 PM   #23
John Mercier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 3,977
Thanks: 3
Thanked 678 Times in 561 Posts
Default

I have seen this in every recreation.
Complaints about the loss of freedom (speed on Winni and such), but no legislator around the lake seeking to impose higher fines and loss of privilege.

I have to say, it is our fault. We simply allow it to go on day after day without holding the Legislature's feet to the fire.

Instead we make broad restrictions that only punish those that act in good faith.
John Mercier is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to John Mercier For This Useful Post:
BroadHopper (08-15-2023)
Old 08-14-2023, 03:52 PM   #24
FlyingScot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA
Posts: 2,544
Thanks: 1,411
Thanked 1,072 Times in 666 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ishoot308 View Post
The guy just didn’t “hit a rock”….he and his passenger were both ejected into the water while his boat went dangerously around in circles before eventually hitting the back end of a marine patrol boat and nearly killed two officers while dragging them under the overturned and capsized RIB…..Yet no names released?…really?? Sorry but something stinks to high heaven on that one!

Dan
Quote:
Originally Posted by chachee52 View Post
I think what they are trying to say is the guy that hit Nipple rock might not have had any charges because no significant laws were broken, so no names would have been made public. Might have been an unfortunate accident.
Yes and yes. I agree with Dan's implication--I should not be flippant about the danger to the officers. But as chachee says--the Nipple Rock incident does not appear to be a crime. This latest incident does. So we should expect names here
FlyingScot is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

This page was generated in 0.17246 seconds