Long Lake night navigation accident

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

Speaking of misinformation and math skills.

The 32' Sunsation powerboat had twin 435 hp motors, by my calculations thats 870 HP, certainly not well over 1000 hp as you claim.

You have stated here in the past your own boat often travels in excess of 60 mph. I know my own 23' boat has a difficult time hitting speeds of 50mph, and its a single 250hp engine.

What is the combined HP of your boat that is capable of speeds in excess of 60MPH and using your own words "does it quite often" ?

Actually a Sunsation would be equipped with twin 425 HP mag HO's for a total of 850hp. Merc does not make a 435hp per engine package. The next engine setup above this would put it at 1000+hp. Engine choices are 320hp, 375hp, 425hp, and 525hp.

[codeman671]

For the record I have to agree that the Dominator is too much boat for Long Lake. I almost bought a Sunsation and have driven the 32' Dominator. If anyone has a picture of the offending boat I would love to see it, I am curious to see if it is the one that I test drove. There are not a lot of Sunsations in the area so it is quite possible if it was bought here in NH. There are no dealers in Maine or Mass, and no longer one in NH.

The difference in size between Long Lake and Winnipesaukee is huge, that boat on Winni is a perfect size. Not too big and handles the rough water quite well

[Islander]

Originally Posted by codeman671

For the record I have to agree that the Dominator is too much boat for Long Lake. I almost bought a Sunsation and have driven the 32' Dominator. If anyone has a picture of the offending boat I would love to see it, I am curious to see if it is the one that I test drove. There are not a lot of Sunsations in the area so it is quite possible if it was bought here in NH. There are no dealers in Maine or Mass, and no longer one in NH.

The difference in size between Long Lake and Winnipesaukee is huge, that boat on Winni is a perfect size. Not too big and handles the rough water quite well

If you believe that the 32' Dominator is to much boat for Long Lake, then perhaps you can understand that some people think it is to much boat for Winnipesaukee.

Yes my boat can go 60 mph, which not surprisingly is the speed I would pick for a speed limit. But when the 45 mph limit passes I will obey it. The next boat I buy will I'm sure have lower HP.

I like speed but I like the lake more. Thirty years from now when there is a 50 hp limit on winni I will abide by that.

The Mount can take 1,250 passengers. That is about 1 horsepower per passenger. How does that compute for the 32' Dominator? How many passengers does she take?

[4Fun]

Just another note on the two boats that were involved. The Sunstaion has a ratio of about 8.1lbs per horsepower while the 14' glasspar had only about 6.5lbs/HP . The Glasspar was a very fast boat, possibly faster than the Sunsation, and most likely very overpowered at 115HP on a 400lb boat..

The top speed of the boat is not everything!!!

[Dave R]

I boat on Long Lake often and while I would never own something like that Sunsation (and would be a bit emabarassed to operate a boat called "dominator"), I have to say, I don't think it's too much boat for that lake. Don't forget Long Lake, Brandy Pond and Sebago lake are all connected and together likely have more acreage than Winnipesaukee. Sebago is also just as wide-open and rough as the Broads, maybe more so. So to say it's too much boat is like saying it would be OK in the broads but too much boat for Meredith Bay or Alton Bay.

For those unfamilar with Long Lake, the northern "half" is much like Alton Bay and the Southern "half" is much like Meredith Bay. It's 11 miles long. Brandy Pond is alot like Paugus Bay minus the islands.

[4Fun]

Originally Posted by Dave R

I boat on Long Lake often and while I would never own something like that Sunsation (and would be a bit emabarassed to operate a boat called "dominator"), I have to say, I don't think it's too much boat for that lake. Don't forget Long Lake, Brandy Pond and Sebago lake are all connected and together likely have more acreage than Winnipesaukee. Sebago is also just as wide-open and rough as the Broads, maybe more so. So to say it's too much boat is like saying it would be OK in the broads but too much boat for Meredith Bay or Alton Bay.

For those unfamilar with Long Lake, the northern "half" is much like Alton Bay and the Southern "half" is much like Meredith Bay. It's 11 miles long. Brandy Pond is alot like Paugus Bay minus the islands.

I don't think "dominator" was the name of the boat but it was the model. Still kind of obnoxious.....
I really hope the truth comes out in this and it can be used to educate some of the real dopes out there.

[Islander]

The generic name for the Dominator and her ilk is "Offshore".

That is where they belong!

[WeirsBeachBoater]

Offshore boats belong, offshore.

Then kayaks must belong in rivers. Canoes belong in ponds. Sailboats belong on the ocean, where there is plenty of wind and sea.

Let see Jetski's, well most people would like them anywhere but here, but I think they are fine on the lake.

That leaves 0-20ft that is permissible on the Lake? Is that what you want Islander?

Oh and lets not forget those awful cabin cruisers(said sarcastically)...... Where do you think they belong?

[4Fun]

Originally Posted by Islander

The generic name for the Dominator and her ilk is "Offshore".

That is where they belong!

I am not arguing that it is seems crazy to have some of these boats on lakes instead of oceans but if used properly and within the CURRENT laws there would be no problems.
Why is it that I can hear super loud exhausts whenver I am near the NASWA or braun bay but the M.P. does not do anything about it?

2 weeks ago I was going through the narrow entry behind Long island while it was very busy. So busy I actually went way outside the markers (On my Seadoo with 6" draft) to avoid the chaos. While the M.P. was giving a ticket a bowrider went within 20' of the patrol at 25-30MPH weaving right through all the boats that were going headway speed. he was completely oblivious to anything going on. It was clear to me then the boating license program has failed and more mandatory education is needed. Not merly just a law to slow fools down.

[robmac]

I believe that Sunsation is the owners I met last weekend,it was just purchased directly from Sunsation.

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Actually a Sunsation would be equipped with twin 425 HP mag HO's for a total of 850hp. Merc does not make a 435hp per engine package. The next engine setup above this would put it at 1000+hp. Engine choices are 320hp, 375hp, 425hp, and 525hp.

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

Speaking of misinformation and math skills.

The 32' Sunsation powerboat had twin 435 hp motors, by my calculations thats 870 HP, certainly not well over 1000 hp as you claim.

You have stated here in the past your own boat often travels in excess of 60 mph. I know my own 23' boat has a difficult time hitting speeds of 50mph, and its a single 250hp engine.

What is the combined HP of your boat that is capable of speeds in excess of 60MPH and using your own words "does it quite often" ?

I stand corrected, Thanks Codeman. A little less power than I quoted. My information came directly from the link to the article listed above.

My point was that Islander was exaggerating the HP of the sunsation powerboat to make her point. She is obviously against that type of boat in particular.

The boat in the accident and her own boat are capable of traveling in excess of 60 mph. Both can deadly under a specific set of circumstances.

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Actually a Sunsation would be equipped with twin 425 HP mag HO's for a total of 850hp. Merc does not make a 435hp per engine package. The next engine setup above this would put it at 1000+hp. Engine choices are 320hp, 375hp, 425hp, and 525hp.

Maybe, maybe not…

This looks like a lot of engine for only 425 HP, each.

http://www.sunsationboats.com/images/F4-3-big.jpg


P.S- Wonder if this is Islander on her 60 MPH boat?

http://www.sunsationboats.com/images...9/DSC05392.JPG

http://www.sunsationboats.com/justleft109.asp