More No Rafting Zones & Losing Your Rights!!!

[winnilakegirl]

Originally Posted by Island Lover

This is a perfect example of someone that THINKS they know their rights. I doubt if she has spoken to the "boat patrol" at all. This is the kind of misinformation that is passed around while rafting.

winnilakegirl - boat on over to one of the big marinas and tie up. Tell them the boat patrol told you it was your right!

Well excuse me for caling them the boat patrol---they ar the Marine Patrol---and as far as I know they are up to date with the laws of the water. I know my right and I just shows how dunb you are---Are you from Mass. It would explainn a lot

winnilakegirl

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by winnilakegirl

Well excuse me for caling them the boat patrol---they ar the Marine Patrol---and as far as I know they are up to date with the laws of the water. I know my right and I just shows how dunb you are---Are you from Mass. It would explainn a lot

winnilakegirl

LOL...see that little icon on the top right hand side of the reply box, it's an ABC with a check mark under it? You might be in a better position to speak from about education if you tried using it.

I seem to be on the other side of most discussions with the folks you are complaining about, but what you have typed looks ridiculous. Sorry.

[Captain Zipper]

Okay Winnilakegirl, take 3 deep breaths and let them out slowly.

Find that inner "happy" place.

Picture those other mean posters walking around with their 'flies' down, does that help? There we go.

You go girlfriend, "I" appreciate your posts!

cz

[Island Lover]

Originally Posted by winnilakegirl

Well excuse me for caling them the boat patrol---they ar the Marine Patrol---and as far as I know they are up to date with the laws of the water. I know my right and I just shows how dunb you are---Are you from Mass. It would explainn a lot

winnilakegirl

"I know my right and I just shows how dunb you are---Are you from Mass. It would explainn a lot"

WOW! That made me laugh so hard I spit out a mouthful of Wine and Brie all over my Harvard Diploma.

I don't believe in questioning peoples spelling and grammar on a public forum, we are all friends here.......right?

But when you call someone "dunb" you need to spell it right!

Yes, I am originally from Massachusetts. That is where I learned to spell, use reasonable grammar and not tell lies on a public forum.

Your "I meant during an emergency" excuse doesn't pass the laugh test.

[Skip]

Some very interesting opinions and posts on this particular subject, most of which has been asked and answered over the years here in a variety of other posts. And in actuality winnilakegirl, while not absolutely clear in her postings, actually has the gist of the concerns correct!

First, by statute any water body greater then 10 acres in size is a public body of water in this State, open to all (landowner or visitor). The littoral rights often cited here refer to a limited right of a lakeside landowner to encroach upon the public waters by building a dock, outbuilding, swim raft or installation of a swim line….if the installation of such does not infringe upon neighboring property owners enjoyment of the water. In most cases the aforementioned structures are only allowed if permitted by the local and or State agency having jurisdiction. Non landowners do not share the same littoral right to build structures into a public waterway.

Any person has the ability to enjoy the public waterway. If you have installed a swim line, however tacky or tasteless it may be any person can come in to the area encompassing that line (except by boat) as the water contained is public domain. In addition no law enforcement agency I am aware of is going to quibble over surveys or attorneys, if the swimmer’s feet are wet then they are enjoying a public domain.

But here is where it gets interesting, and where some have a misconception about trespass law here in New Hampshire.

New Hampshire has a long history (dating back to colonial times) of recognizing the concept of open land. What that means, under general conditions, is that if a person has not been forewarned to stay off land, or there are not obvious impediments to its openness, then a person is not trespassing if he crosses that land. Obvious impediments include certain fencing, signage or evidence that the owners had previously conveyed to that person not to cross their land.

That brings us full circle to the tying of boats to private docks, or a swimmer stepping out of the water on to shore. If I tie my boat to your dock, and there is no signage warning not to, I have not trespassed. If I step out of the public domain waterway and on to your beach, I have not trespassed unless the property was posted. That said, I must leave your dock or your property immediately and in the quickest manner if you tell me to depart. And if I leave my boat tied to your dock, denying you the privilege to enjoy same, then you have the right to have my boat removed at my expense, whether I am present or not. Also, if I do not leave immediately upon your request, if you can show that the property had been posted or you have evidence that I had been previously warned not to cross your property then I can be arrested for criminal trespass.

Thankfully most people, except for very good reason, do not purposely tie there boats to others docks or properties, do not come up on private beaches and usually back off when confronted by a property owner. It has not become enough of a problem that the legislature has found it necessary to make anything but minor changes to the trespass statute over the years.

Let’s hope that enough common sense remains out there that we don’t have to ask to be regulated every single moment of our lives!

[winnilakegirl]

Originally Posted by Island Lover

"I know my right and I just shows how dunb you are---Are you from Mass. It would explainn a lot"

WOW! That made me laugh so hard I spit out a mouthful of Wine and Brie all over my Harvard Diploma.

I don't believe in questioning peoples spelling and grammar on a public forum, we are all friends here.......right?

But when you call someone "dunb" you need to spell it right!

Yes, I am originally from Massachusetts. That is where I learned to spell, use reasonable grammar and not tell lies on a public forum.

Your "I meant during an emergency" excuse doesn't pass the laugh test.

Well to you I am sorry I spelled wrong. In one statement you say you don't pick on spelling yet the next line you do. Make up your mind. It must be nice to be able to type correctly 100% of the time. To the perfect person I bow to thee. (Let me have a throw up bowl now).


And you being from Mass explains a lot. Mass people don't follow the rules on the road why should they on the water or land next to the water. Make up rules to suit themselves and screw everyone else. (But some Mass people learn when they are not in Mass that they are no longer gods of the world anymore)

Courtesy to others comes natural to NH natives but I guess some people who come here can't learn this. I guess you fall in this group---from reading your posts. Everyone is allowed their opinion (with or without spelling errors) and if the law is stated to them by a law officier then they have the right to believe it is a true fact. Whether you believe it or not is your right even if I think you are wrong. I will believe what I was told over anything you state since you don't know all---even though you were brought up to believe that. Sorry to break your bubble

[SIKSUKR]

Whoa.Easy Winni.I'm born and raised in NH and might have some feelings about out of staters but you lower yourself when you hurl insults at a whole group,that is very unfair and does not show you as being naturally courteous as you claim.I disagree with most of Island lovers posts but you're point gets lost in those kind of posts.I actually agree with IL's rebuttal post.You called IL out about being dumb and pretty dumb spelling.None of us are perfect spellers but what did you expect when you called IL dumb with 3 writing errors in 2 short sentences?

[Weirs guy]

People, 3 lines,

44
THOUSAND
acres.

Its amazing how we go from one poster trying to rally the troops to stop what they feel is a loss of their rights to another group trying to secure what they feel is their rights to the whole full diapers and peeing on my dock. What a great group of people we have here. Is it labor day yet?

Skip, I hate to poke the bees nest here, but I'm curious about the legality (big word for me, ahthankya) of swimming out to a boat in the lake and hoping on. Any thoughts?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Weirs guy

People, 3 lines,
44
THOUSAND
acres.

If the lake was a round lake, things would be different.

With growing numbers of rafters concentrating in a limited number of coves, their collective behavior comes under closer scrutiny—both audibly and visibly. This is a lake with residences.

(Which reminds me—today, I've got to spear an empty beer can lying near my shore).

[chipj29]

That beer can HAD to have come from a rafter. I mean it couldn't have blown off of somebodies picnic table in the high winds the other day.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chipj29

That beer can HAD to have come from a rafter. I mean it couldn't have blown off of somebodies picnic table in the high winds the other day.

Rafters disappeared from this mile of shoreline years ago. I think Johnson's Cove in Wolfeboro is still relatively clean. (I have to go look).

I still think the State should create an island by dumping sand on the ice in some protected location that would benefit rafters...but you've brought up a trashy recollection from last year:

I scooped a Budweiser beer can out of the lake before it sank; however, the can was factory sealed—couldn't sink—but was only half full! What kind of beer purchaser throws beer into the lake?

Anyway, the beer can (the one that still needs spearing ) could have been whipped out of somebody's boat by the wind—just as in cases where we see boaters circling back to retrieve other lost items.

My point was that Winnipesaukee's lakesides are nearly completely residential in nature. Noise and aesthetics count where the "View Tax" has to be paid—and it's not just residential roadsides that have to be picked up, but the lakesides too.

[jceria]

Just defending myself as a Mass driver. I guess you felt you had to nit pick!
It was spelled correct it was the grammar!

[jceria]

Mass drivers don't follow the rules? That's a pretty DUMB statement. It's one thing to blast someone, but try to sound a little intelligent by spelling correctly at least.

I have live almost all my life in NH and now live in Mass. Where do I fall in?
Step 9 driver here!

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by jceria

Mass drivers don't follow the rules? That's a pretty DUMB statement. It's one thing to blast someone, but try to sound a little intelligent by spelling correctly at least.

I have live almost all my life in NH and now live in Mass. Where do I fall in?
Step 9 driver here!

Not to sound overly critical here, but you used live instead of lived in an email harassing someone else on their spelling/grammar...

[Uncle Fun]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Not to sound overly critical here, but you used live instead of lived in an email harassing someone else on their spelling/grammar...

[Phantom]

LET Me Check ----- Yup, the thread was "No Rafting .... "

Don't you think you folks are being a wee bit childish and CERTAINLY off Topic for the thread !!

Don, might be a good time to dispose of this thread before it becomes a spot for some to simply throw rocks at another member of the forum

[Gatto Nero]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Whoa.Easy Winni.I'm born and raised in NH and might have some feelings about out of staters but you lower yourself when you hurl insults at a whole group,that is very unfair and does not show you as being naturally courteous as you claim.I disagree with most of Island lovers posts but you're point gets lost in those kind of posts.I actually agree with IL's rebuttal post.You called IL out about being dumb and pretty dumb spelling.None of us are perfect spellers but what did you expect when you called IL dumb with 3 writing errors in 2 short sentences?

Yeah, but it sure is fun to watch!