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Old 05-15-2008, 01:31 PM   #1
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Honestly, the sunset concerns me. If it does pass, and there are no "high" speed accidents, then it will be spun that the speed limit did its job. It prevented accidents.

What they fail to mention is that there haven't been any "high" speed accidents to begin with, so there is nothing to measure against.

My guess is that if the speed limit does pass, it is going nowhere anytime soon.
Are you joking or misinformed? There have been many high speed accidents. There have been day and night accidents, fatal and non-fatal accidents, boat to boat, boat to shore, boat alone, recent and long ago, on Winnipesaukee and on other lakes. You must mean none you wish to talk about.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:00 PM   #2
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Is it possible that we will be done with the forum for/against new speed limits discussion (I use the term loosely) on Lake Winnipesaukee by the end of the day today?
Unfortunately no, even if it's approved by the Senate today without any amendments to the House version it still needs the Governor's signature to become law, so the lobbying will shift from the Senate to the Governor.

If the Senate adds any amendment, like the law would take effect immediately upon passage or kayaks have to stay within 150 feet of shore then it has to go back to the House (or a House-Senate conference committee depending on the rules of the NH Legislature) for their approval then return to the Senate for final enactment before going to the Governor. (Unless things work very differently in NH than I am used to here in the southern hemisphere)

As chipj29 correctly points out, if the Senate does what they should do and kills HB847 then WinnFabs etc will just file another bill for next session and by then hopefully lawmakers will have seen this for what it really is and kill it in committee.

As for the spin when the sunset clause is about to expire, chipj29 is correct again, the backers of the bill will say SEE It worked it needs to stay in place, when the truth of the matter is there was no speeding problem to fix in the first place!
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:23 PM   #3
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Are you joking or misinformed? There have been many high speed accidents. There have been day and night accidents, fatal and non-fatal accidents, boat to boat, boat to shore, boat alone, recent and long ago, on Winnipesaukee and on other lakes. You must mean none you wish to talk about.
Oh spare me. You know exactly what I am talking about. I am talking about accidents that were a direct result of speeds in excess of the proposed limit.

Now don't go and quote all the incidents with excessive speeds...because we all know that "excessive speed" is a very very generic term.

And yes, I realize the Littlefield incident was above the proposed speed. But what was the direct cause of that event? Don't insult my intelligence by saying that the cause was his speed all of 28 mph.

So I will ask the question...how many of the "high speed accidents" of which you speak were above the proposed speeds?
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Oh spare me. You know exactly what I am talking about. I am talking about accidents that were a direct result of speeds in excess of the proposed limit.

Now don't go and quote all the incidents with excessive speeds...because we all know that "excessive speed" is a very very generic term.

And yes, I realize the Littlefield incident was above the proposed speed. But what was the direct cause of that event? Don't insult my intelligence by saying that the cause was his speed all of 28 mph.

So I will ask the question...how many of the "high speed accidents" of which you speak were above the proposed speeds?
Don't post "there haven't been any "high" speed accidents" if it isn't true. I understand that you are deluding yourself but other readers may not.

Woodsy, there have been several. If you want to post something go ahead. I am not interested in answering your "questions".
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Woodsy, there have been several. If you want to post something go ahead. I am not interested in answering your "questions".
Island Lover...

YOU claim that there have been "several" hi-speed accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee that didnt involve alcohol.

I am asking for proof of your claim!!

You can't back up your claim because you don't have the answer...

Quite frankly if you can't back up your statements with fact, then you probably shouldn't post!

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PS: Still waiting on that answer from BI & now Island Lover!!!
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Don't post "there haven't been any "high" speed accidents" if it isn't true. I understand that you are deluding yourself but other readers may not.

Woodsy, there have been several. If you want to post something go ahead. I am not interested in answering your "questions".
Please enlighten me, and the rest of the "uninformed" readers about these "high speed accidents" to which you refer. Thanks in advance. Now remember, these "high speed accidents" were directly caused by speeds greater than the proposed limits.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:29 PM   #7
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Are you joking or misinformed? There have been many high speed accidents. There have been day and night accidents, fatal and non-fatal accidents, boat to boat, boat to shore, boat alone, recent and long ago, on Winnipesaukee and on other lakes. You must mean none you wish to talk about.
Chip...

I will go one better....


Island Lover..

How many accidents above the proposed speed limit have occurred on Lake Winnipesaukee that DID NOT INVOLVE ALCOHOL??

I asked BI the same question weeks ago and have yet to get a response!

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PS: Still waiting BI!
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No answer, the silence is deafening................
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No answer, the silence is deafening................
They went to Concord for the vote and party.
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I listened on line most of the day, but didn't hear this bill come up.
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I checked with a contact at Channel 9 at about 7 this evening. They had not heard but because I reminded them if they get word prior their deadline for the 11 O'Clock newscast it will be on.

Since today is the final day for the NH Senate to ACT on house bills I expect the session won't end prior to midnight.
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I listened on line most of the day, but didn't hear this bill come up.
They took it up at 9:22 PM and voted at 9:46 PM.

14 yes, 10 no.
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They took it up at 9:22 PM and voted at 9:46 PM.

14 yes, 10 no
That would mean a gubernatorial veto could not be overridden!
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