WinnFabs/Laconia Citizen Letter to the Editor

[Lakegeezer]

They lied, they won. When the bill sunsets in two years, maybe there is another chance. The country was led into war by lies. We should not be surprised that fear and lies worked to bring speed limits as well. NH should change its slogan from "live free or die" to "the nanny state".

[WeirsBeachBoater]

Airwaves, they may have one a battle, but they have not yet won the war! This isn't over by a long shot.

[Bear Islander]

It's not Journalism. It's a "letter to the editor". The opposition could have sent a letter with your bullet points and I bet they would have printed that as well.

I can't find any lies or errors in it. But if it quotes people it should have included the source.

[Seaplane Pilot]

http://www.aquariussanctuary.com/biographies.html

Sandy Helve
Having been psychic and intuitive my entire life, I began to earnestly and in a disciplined manner to understand and to develop my gift further 25 years ago through courses, workshops and other avenues on both the West and the East coasts. I somehow knew that I would be helping others in assessing information that the universe sends to us. Having been doing readings for ten years, particularly studying under the tutelage of Sonia Choquette, I have no particular modality except to sit down with you in a comfortable setting, first passing along my reading then answering any specific questions that you may bring.

If it is the same person, hell she's a psychic - she already knew the speed limit would pass! Hey, wait a minute...that's not fair, that's cheating.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

If it is the same person, hell she's a psychic - she already knew the speed limit would pass! Hey, wait a minute...that's not fair, that's cheating.

If you don't know its the same person you should not have posted it. Perhaps not even then. This is nothing but a bad faith attack on an individual because you lost. It's a low blow and I thought better of you.

I ask you to remove that post.

[Chris Craft]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

If you don't know its the same person you should not have posted it. Perhaps not even then. This is nothing but a bad faith attack on an individual because you lost. It's a low blow and I thought better of you.

I ask you to remove that post.

I could argue that you also lost, you just don't know it yet. IMO no one is going to win in this. Just more laws and less freedoms, more expenses and the growing of Gov. for the people of NH Some day some one is going to come up with a law that you don't like and you will no longer be able to do something that you love. All for what?

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

If you don't know its the same person you should not have posted it. Perhaps not even then. This is nothing but a bad faith attack on an individual because you lost. It's a low blow and I thought better of you.

I ask you to remove that post.

I think we need to lighten up here a little bit.SP's post was made with tongue in cheek and never said it was the same person.See the smiley at the end of the post?

[Resident 2B]

http://www.aquariussanctuary.com/biographies.html

I see they have removed the Bio for a psychic who happens to be named Sandy Helve from their Bio list sometime today, since the post this morning.

I would have thought a good psychic could have seen this coming.

For the record, I think psychics are great people!

R2B

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

Originally Posted by Resident 2B

http://www.aquariussanctuary.com/biographies.html

I see they have removed the Bio for a psychic who happens to be named Sandy Helve from their Bio list sometime today, since the post this morning.

I would have thought a good psychic could have seen this coming.

For the record, I think psychics are great people!

R2B

Here is a link to Aquarius Sanctuary archived Bio Page I'm not sure of the lifespan of that archive but it has the bio. Scroll down to Sandy Helve on the Bio page. I have no idea if this is the same person that is mentioned above as President of WinnFabs and I am not drawing any conclusions. More than one person can have the same name.

I would guess that this Sandy Helve's Bio was removed because she is no longer associated with that organization - find their current home page HERE if you are interested. I don't know if the bio page update was coincidence or a result of R2B's post.

Ask me sometime about the psychics that would come on the radio talk shows to display their abilities. Not all psychics are created equal. Just ask Miss Cleo

[Skip]

You know Skipper, it ain't a bad gig if you can get it.

According to the recently revamped website, the woman in question was getting $200 an hour for "psychic & intuitive readings"....no refunds allowed!

Hey, FLL needs to get in on this gig....its an allowable in-home business and in just one 40 hour work-week Ol' Less could bag enough cash to pay an entire year's worth of Meredith property tax...plus score himself a fistful of lucky mega-bucks tickets!

[fatlazyless]

Thanks Skip, what an excellent suggestion.....will have to email a 19.95 check for the introductory lesson.

While psychic energy has been powering sailboats, kayaks, canoes and rowboats for centuries....I suddenly have developed a "NEED FOR SPEED" and first thing tomorrow morning will be paying a visit to the nearby BAJA dealer at the Weirs. Will be look'n for a good deal on a new Baja 27' Outlaw! Like, how is the local Fountain, Baja, Formula & Donzi market doing?

Maybe I can trade my 20 year old, 12', $1750 sailboat in for a 27' Baja with a single 454 when I tell the sales guy that it runs on psychic energy. What the heck.....with a 45mph limit, a 27' hull and a 454hp will never-ever be getting above aproximately 3000revs....boohoo!

Will include in my trade-in offer.....a brand new box a granola! Wish me some good trade-in luck, you all.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

If you don't know its the same person you should not have posted it. Perhaps not even then. This is nothing but a bad faith attack on an individual because you lost. It's a low blow and I thought better of you.

I ask you to remove that post.

BI, Have you completely lost it? You call this an attack? A low blow? You people really have too much time on your hands. Just because of this crazy post of yours, I will not remove mine. It was a lighthearted attempt at humor after your victory - there was no attack, express or implied. Clearly I qualified it by saying "If this is the same person". Grow up and get off your soapbox - I thought better of you.

[SIKSUKR]

Yup,this pretty much sums up the substance of Winnfabs case through this whole process.There are no facts to back their position so they just throw out words and inuendo with no basis and hope the public buys into it.Guess what,its working.Just plain shamefull.

[parrothead]

I still don't get how decreased shore erosion is provided as a benefit of a speed limit. Boats cause a larger wake at slower speeds. This is not a dig at whether there should be a speed limit or not, it just doesn't make sense how a speed limit would affect boat wakes. The speed limit will not have any affect on erosion, since by 45 most boats are on plane anyway and making a smaller wake. I just don't get how anyone that has ever been on a boat can say that a limit on the maximum speed will affect wake size.
If the argument is that there will be less boats, I don't think that will be true. You may lose some go fasts, but as the lake becomes "safer" won't more trailered boats come to the "safe" lake?

[Seaplane Pilot]

The enemy is not Winnfabs, the enemy are those hacks in Concord. We need to start a campaign to vote every one of these people that voted for this bill - both House and Senate, OUT OF OFFICE. Because if we don't, this is only the beginning of a very slippery slope that will continue to erode our freedoms.

[EricP]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

The enemy is not Winnfabs, the enemy are those hacks in Concord. We need to start a campaign to vote every one of these people that voted for this bill - both House and Senate, OUT OF OFFICE. Because if we don't, this is only the beginning of a very slippery slope that will continue to erode our freedoms.

YES!!! I'm in.

[WeirsBeachBoater]

Count me in, Now it will be an election issue!

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by WeirsBeachBoater

Count me in, Now it will be an election issue!

Is there a way to find out how each Senator voted?

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by parrothead

I still don't get how decreased shore erosion is provided as a benefit of a speed limit. Boats cause a larger wake at slower speeds. This is not a dig at whether there should be a speed limit or not, it just doesn't make sense how a speed limit would affect boat wakes. The speed limit will not have any affect on erosion, since by 45 most boats are on plane anyway and making a smaller wake. I just don't get how anyone that has ever been on a boat can say that a limit on the maximum speed will affect wake size.
If the argument is that there will be less boats, I don't think that will be true. You may lose some go fasts, but as the lake becomes "safer" won't more trailered boats come to the "safe" lake?

That was always the rub. The proponents ignored such topics as enforcement of existing laws, while provided fluff and diversions such as erosion. Like I said many times now, if everyone goes out on Saturdays for a couple of hours and goes Big Wake speed, I'm sure even the most ignorant would wake up to those comments about erosion.

The only real solution to solving any problems, perceived problems, or even just changing conditions, is to have people express their opinions. Real opinions, not BS and lies. That's where the real problems started in the speed limit debates.

1) The proponents lied so often it was hard to keep up. In the end, this law was All about discouraging the GFBL boats from coming back, and it was hoiped they'd mostly all leave.

2) The GFBL crowd refused to acknowledge that some in their ranks (small minority), were ticking off some people with their arrogant behavior. They failed to even acknowledge this, so once again, a few hurt the many

3) The boaters at large are still left with inexperienced new boaters, arrogant and thrillseeking people in bowriders and the like, and the drinks. Nobody knows exactly how the MP will enforce this speed limit, since nobody ever mentioned providing additional funds.

4) The Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly big lie is that this law would provide a safer lake. We'll see. The NWZ obviously were not being enforced as per the many observations and rants of BI. The 150' limit as well was not enforced, as per the same stories and rants.

Too bad people cherish causes more than solutions.

[BroadHopper]

Sad day for 'undeniable rights'. In a state where motorcyclists don't wear helmets, automobile drivers and passengers over 12 do not require seat belts and liquor stores on the interstates despite tough dui laws, where is this leading too? the 'Live free or die' motto will become just that. A motto.
Soon, the landowners who own lake front properties will complain of the erosion as the large boats slow down. My family lives on the Broads and we are already seeing the effects. It will get worst.
I will continue to bare foot ski despite the fact that it is about 53 mph. No one will take my hobby away from me, my children and hopefully my grandchildren. I wiil make sure there is meaning in the motto, 'Live Free or Die'.

[Gilligan]

Reading the letter from the president of WinnFABS makes me think that the FABS part stands for FABrication.