Can I put out my own marker???

John A. Birdsall · 05-27-2008, 04:13 PM

a neighbor trying to teach his kids the distance of 150' put a clorox bottle 150' from shore. They got a ticket for going to close to the bottle (within 150')

Markers are nice. My morings winter marker was found this weekend on the bottom of the lake where some nice propellar found it prior to 10 May but after Ice out. sure hope his propellar wasn't damaged. No excuse for hitting it as it was florecent orange.

nightrider · 05-27-2008, 06:09 PM

A fair amount of people have winter markers for their moorings just UNDER the surface of the water which, to me, is not only a navigational hazard but a hazard to those fisher persons who troll just after ice out and before therse twirps get their mooring balls on them. They are a danger to props, outdrives and fishing lures. Is there any law regulating just-under-the-water winter moorings????

Lakegeezer · 05-27-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

a neighbor trying to teach his kids the distance of 150' put a clorox bottle 150' from shore. They got a ticket for going to close to the bottle (within 150')

What law says you have to stay 150 feet from a clorox bottle?

NightWing · 05-27-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

What law says you have to stay 150 feet from a clorox bottle?

None. The statement is strange. Who is "they" who got the ticket?

Kamper · 05-28-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

What law says you have to stay 150 feet from a clorox bottle?

Nothing says a swim safety line has to have more than one marker. That's probably what the MP would have said if pressed. Just guessing though.

Mashugana · 05-28-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamper

Nothing says a swim safety line has to have more than one marker. That's probably what the MP would have said if pressed. Just guessing though.

You need the proper permits to have a swim line. I think the position and distance from shore are outlined in the permit process. Other conditions may apply. One bleach bottle does not qualify as a swim marker IMHO.

I don't know about permits for rafts. I thought there was a formula about depth and distance from shore. Someone must know and will post it.

KonaChick · 05-28-2008, 08:05 PM

As far as I know you do not need a permit for a swim raft.

John A. Birdsall · 05-31-2008, 12:31 PM

The people that got a ticket was a neighbor and perhaps it was when the law was new, and the cop needed his "quota" I do not know if they went to court or just paid the ticket.

As for bouy marker in the winter, I do not put it just under the water, it is above the water and is painted florecent orange. We used to use a yellow anti-freeze bottle. Is it legal? I have not idea, but is something that must be grandfathered in as I believe my grandfather did it. hmm.

Bear Islander · 05-31-2008, 01:08 PM

A Marine Patrol Officer spoke at an association meeting on Bear Island a few years ago. He answered quite a few questions about the Marine Patrol.

He was asked about the practice of using bleach bottles as markers for rocks, shallows etc. His answer was more practical than legal. He indicated that if they thought it was a good idea they would leave it, otherwise they would remove it.

Perhaps there is a "common law" right to identify hazards in front of your property.

Newbiesaukee · 05-31-2008, 03:46 PM

This seemed to be the case, at least yesterday. The MP came by yesterday to replace a marker which had disappeared over the winter. He noted my neighbor's bleach bottles which he puts out in a particularly bad area, and just proceeded to replace the "official" marker about 30 feet away.

Kamper · 06-01-2008, 08:43 AM

Just a thought... Iif you are markng an obstruction, write that on the bleach bottle as large as you can.

eg: ROCKS, SHALLOW, LEDGE, WATER-INLET, PILE, MOORING, EX-WIFE.

I believe you are also supposed to put your name and address on any bouy you install and they are supposed to be consisently shaped with the official bouy system (Back-top/Red-top, channel markers, hazard). I doubt you will get hassled over a bleach bottle though. Since private markers seldom make it onto a chart the bottles are a lot safer to hit than a spar or can.

Putting a little sand in the bottle will help it float upright and be a little more visible.

Bear Islander · 06-01-2008, 10:21 AM

I would think making a private marker look like an official marker was a bad idea. It could be confused for the real thing.

There is no size minimum for a swim raft. I once made one by lasing a couple of inner tubes to a door. It was great for "king of the raft"

05-27-2008, 04:13 PM	#1
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	markers a neighbor trying to teach his kids the distance of 150' put a clorox bottle 150' from shore. They got a ticket for going to close to the bottle (within 150') Markers are nice. My morings winter marker was found this weekend on the bottom of the lake where some nice propellar found it prior to 10 May but after Ice out. sure hope his propellar wasn't damaged. No excuse for hitting it as it was florecent orange.

05-27-2008, 06:09 PM	#2
nightrider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: winter harbor Posts: 200 Thanks: 4 Thanked 33 Times in 18 Posts	underwater markers A fair amount of people have winter markers for their moorings just UNDER the surface of the water which, to me, is not only a navigational hazard but a hazard to those fisher persons who troll just after ice out and before therse twirps get their mooring balls on them. They are a danger to props, outdrives and fishing lures. Is there any law regulating just-under-the-water winter moorings????

05-31-2008, 12:31 PM	#8
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	bottle marker The people that got a ticket was a neighbor and perhaps it was when the law was new, and the cop needed his "quota" I do not know if they went to court or just paid the ticket. As for bouy marker in the winter, I do not put it just under the water, it is above the water and is painted florecent orange. We used to use a yellow anti-freeze bottle. Is it legal? I have not idea, but is something that must be grandfathered in as I believe my grandfather did it. hmm.

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05-28-2008, 08:05 PM	#7
KonaChick Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 518 Thanks: 19 Thanked 62 Times in 15 Posts	As far as I know you do not need a permit for a swim raft.

05-31-2008, 01:08 PM	#9
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	A Marine Patrol Officer spoke at an association meeting on Bear Island a few years ago. He answered quite a few questions about the Marine Patrol. He was asked about the practice of using bleach bottles as markers for rocks, shallows etc. His answer was more practical than legal. He indicated that if they thought it was a good idea they would leave it, otherwise they would remove it. Perhaps there is a "common law" right to identify hazards in front of your property.

05-31-2008, 03:46 PM	#10
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,355 Thanks: 950 Thanked 573 Times in 298 Posts	This seemed to be the case, at least yesterday. The MP came by yesterday to replace a marker which had disappeared over the winter. He noted my neighbor's bleach bottles which he puts out in a particularly bad area, and just proceeded to replace the "official" marker about 30 feet away.

06-01-2008, 08:43 AM	#11
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,309 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	Just a thought... Iif you are markng an obstruction, write that on the bleach bottle as large as you can. eg: ROCKS, SHALLOW, LEDGE, WATER-INLET, PILE, MOORING, EX-WIFE. I believe you are also supposed to put your name and address on any bouy you install and they are supposed to be consisently shaped with the official bouy system (Back-top/Red-top, channel markers, hazard). I doubt you will get hassled over a bleach bottle though. Since private markers seldom make it onto a chart the bottles are a lot safer to hit than a spar or can. Putting a little sand in the bottle will help it float upright and be a little more visible.

06-01-2008, 10:21 AM	#12
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	I would think making a private marker look like an official marker was a bad idea. It could be confused for the real thing. There is no size minimum for a swim raft. I once made one by lasing a couple of inner tubes to a door. It was great for "king of the raft"