Boating Accident/Death off Diamond Island

[NHKathy]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I'll be very glad when I open this thread, and instead of reading the same things (stated slightly differently) over and over and over and over and over again, we actually get some new information about the cause of the accident or the health of Erica.
The point, counter point, for this thread (now over 300 strong) has run it's course...in my opinion.

When will this stop?!
This is now in it's 4 page!
I'm getting really sick of seeing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!
ANY UPDATE ON THE INJURED ????
(then again, there could have been an update mixed in between all of this -and I missed it... )

[kthy66]

Originally Posted by NHKathy

When will this stop?!
This is now in it's 4 page!
I'm getting really sick of seeing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!
ANY UPDATE ON THE INJURED ????
(then again, there could have been an update mixed in between all of this -and I missed it... )

If your so sick of it then stop reading it.. simple solution to a simple problem

[sa meredith]

Originally Posted by kthy66

If your so sick of it then stop reading it.. simple solution to a simple problem

I'm sorry KTHY66, but you're wrong to post what you did, and I think it is a little rude.
Where else would you like us to look to find the latest news on this event. Many people close to this situation are memebers of this forum, and we depend on them to post info when they get it. So, when this thread pops up with a new post, it's frustrating to click in, scoll all the way down to only find THE SAME EXACT THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. OFTEN DIFFERENT WORDS, BUT THE SAME THINGS. POINT, COUNTER POINT, POINT, COUNTER POINT.
We all get it... ok???? Speed, dark, light, rain, fog, drinking, not drinking, gps, radar, speed limits, no wake zone, Dr's. camp, IT'S ALL BEEN SAID!

Why would you tell her to stop reading it???? I'm sure all she wants is some real info about the health of Erica, or the cause of the accident.

[Joe Kerr]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

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So, when this thread pops up with a new post, it's frustrating to click in, scroll all the way down to only find THE SAME EXACT THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
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sa meredith You are doing it backwards. This method might help relieve some of your frustration. View the forum in Linear Mode. When you want to see the newer posts on a page hit the End button on your keyboard. The display will jump directly to the end of the page without scrolling. Then you scroll up a few posts to see what's new.

This tragedy is horrible regardless of any personal agendas. I don't think it is fair to assume anything about the situation or even if there is probable cause for any court involvement.

We do not know what happened. We do not know if there will be charges or any court involvement and even if we did know, we are all innocent until proven guilty.

This is not a good time for anyone involved or touched by this terrible accident.

[Lakepilot]

I always just hit the > character in the lower right corner of the last post box and no matter how many posts or pages it brings me to the last post. Then I go up from there.

[chmeeee]

Better yet, click on the button to the left of the thread title, it takes you directly to the first post since the last time you viewed the forum.

[2Blackdogs]

This was photographed on the line of trajectory, with the white area being the impact site. The anchor strike is directly in line, having hit just below the window.

What appears as white in color is light pink. The outer, circular, margins show how the hull collapsed upon impact.

This is obviously NOT a 5 foot wall as speculated on here earlier.

[EricP]

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs

This was photographed on the line of trajectory, with the white area being the impact site. The anchor strike is directly in line, having hit just below the window.

What appears as white in color is light pink. The outer, circular, margins show how the hull collapsed upon impact.

This is obviously NOT a 5 foot wall as speculated on here earlier.

How much of that wall is below the water line?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs

This is obviously NOT a 5 foot wall as speculated on here earlier.

No, but not too far from it. Probably pushing 4 feet anyhow. Compare it to the window height from the bottom of the house as a gauge.

[SIKSUKR]

Based on my caculations from the picture on my screen that wall would be about 4 ft 8 1/2 inches at it's highest point.The granite wall measures 13/16ths on my screen and the house wall measures 1 3/8ths.Divide those 2 numbers and you get the granite being.59% of the house.Based on an 8 ft house wall x .59 that = 4 ft 8.6 inches.Is that so far from 5 ft?What the heck is your point anyway?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Based on my caculations from the picture on my screen that wall would be about 4 ft 8 1/2 inches at it's highest point.The granite wall measures 13/16ths on my screen and the house wall measures 1 3/8ths.Divide those 2 numbers and you get the granite being.59% of the house.Based on an 8 ft house wall x .59 that = 4 ft 8.6 inches.Is that so far from 5 ft?What the heck is your point anyway?

Thanks Sik, I was going to do that math but you beat me to it- it looked close to me, too!

[2Blackdogs]

I'm sure the investigation has the height measured exactly. There's no better way to determine terminal velocity than that.

The amount of hull out of the water at collision can be easily measured based on the widest scuff marks on the ledge. Just compare that measurement to the widest comparable damage on the hull. A comparison-speed with the same amount of hull out of the water with an identical Formula performance cruiser can determine the speed when striking the island.

The depth of the ledge below the waterline is immaterial.

The 5 foot guess, posted earlier, was retracted by the author.

For comparison, this cruiser collision appeared at Boat-Ed.com., having struck a berm. There were no injuries in this collision.

[VtSteve]

Always important to add "Performance Cruiser" to the sentence. I'd suspect the water level was higher back then, so five feet may be a stretch. I think the boat would have sustained more bottom damage if it had struck at plowing speed, maybe even ran up on the wall a bit. Not really germaine to any argument, I think everyone has indicated the boat was somewhere on plane at the time of impact. The damage from the berm impact you show seems far worse to me.

I'd still guess 25 to 30. Any faster and I'd have to believe the damage would be far greater. But I'm not even close to having the knowledge to arrive at anything more than a WAG. I'm more focused on the why and how of it. I know you have other intentions.

Now that I know there are adult adolescents that go about revving their engines, and bombing down waterways late at night after drinking, I'm against GFBL boats. Once the speed limit is put into place, there will no longer be drunken, obnoxious boaters on the lake.

[Winnipesaukee]

Once the speed limit is put into place, there will no longer be drunken, obnoxious boaters on the lake.

Kind of like how there are no longer 150' violations since the law was put into place.

I'm neither for nor against a speed limit, but that was sarcasm, right?

[VtSteve]

Yup, Yup it was

[B R]

http://www.wmur.com/family/17175493/detail.html#-

[kthy66]

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...4/-1/CITNEWS08

[kjbathe]

When the Dr. Rock report was broadcast last night, the reporter said the driver of the boat died. I questioned what I thought I had heard, but she repeated it again at the end of the broadcast. Today's online posting reads a little differently, noting that a passenger died, but the final paragraph still reads as though the driver died in the crash.

I'm not splitting hairs here in terms of the reporting or writing -- I think she just made a mistake. But after seeing last night's broadcast, I was wondering if the reporter knew something the rest of us had yet to learn.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by kjbathe

When the Dr. Rock report was broadcast last night, the reporter said the driver of the boat died. I questioned what I thought I had heard, but she repeated it again at the end of the broadcast. Today's online posting reads a little differently, noting that a passenger died, but the final paragraph still reads as though the driver died in the crash.

I'm not splitting hairs here in terms of the reporting or writing -- I think she just made a mistake. But after seeing last night's broadcast, I was wondering if the reporter knew something the rest of us had yet to learn.

I heard the exact same thing on the 11pm newscast. It definately perked my ears up. I read the online article today, it says Erica was released from the hospital.
Poor reporting? Or perhaps the facts have been reported wrong from the start...who was really driving the boat?

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by NHKathy

ANY UPDATE ON THE INJURED ????
(then again, there could have been an update mixed in between all of this -and I missed it... )

I talked with a good friend of mine on Tuesday who visited Erica this past Sunday.He said he thought she was doing much better and considering the magnitude of this accident,her spirits were ok.I believe her condition is now listed as satisfactory.I don't have any info on Nicole.

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by online Citizen

Blizzard was unconscious. Her face was swollen and there were cuts on her chin. She was in critical condition when she was hospitalized; she was discharged Monday.

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...799/-1/CITIZEN

[Ropetow]

My prayers are with both of them.

[2Blackdogs]

The leak referred to by the Nashua Telegraph means that we hear one week earlier of a criminal case investigation going forward.

Leaked or not, the message returns us to possible criminal charges in this case, the word "planing", drinking at a lakeside restaurant, the possibility of "overserving" (seen here in a previous boating case), and the question whether canned beer is sold at that location or not. These did not become "un-facts" because someone here says so.

Technical details tell us that a minimum of 19mph is required for this cruiser to plane. Typically, an automobile accident at 10mph produces no injuries whatsoever, even for those not belted in, and even without airbag deployment.

So we're left with extrapolations, and 19 mph doesn't do it for me.

Myself, I consider any "determinations of blood alcohol content" to be emphatically ***BWI data***, Skip, whether exculpatory or probative. I see "the embarrassing release" as damaging to any jury pool in this state, and a "change of venue" demanded, perhaps to Maine.

No, not to Maine, forget Maine.

The link provided previously can't be "read" at all, because it's a Podcast! Having it read aloud brings reality to the listener.....and just what a juror would hear. The likelihood of a jury can't be ignored in this case.

You'll have to cut and paste the link to the address bar to hear it. And there is no legal word spelled "affadavit".