Methadone Clinic Proposal Approved

Channel Pirate · 02-01-2009, 01:56 AM

"The issue was left to be decided by City Planner Shanna Saunders, and because of the size of the clinic (less than 5,000 sq. feet) Shanna could make the decision on her own".

I dont think anyone wants this clinic in our back yard, but for you to say Shanna could have prevented it and did not shows how much you know about the city you live and work in.

Seaplane Pilot · 02-01-2009, 09:08 AM

This is public information - Nadia has done nothing wrong at all, and I applaud her for having the guts to take a stand. If more people took stands for what they believe in (instead of being noodlebacks), this city, state and country would not be in the mess that it's in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Channel Pirate

"The issue was left to be decided by City Planner Shanna Saunders, and because of the size of the clinic (less than 5,000 sq. feet) Shanna could make the decision on her own".

Nadia you have crossed the line again, Your last post about LP was a nightmare and now your naming city officials, your the best train wreck to happen to this forum ever.

I dont think anyone wants this clinic in our back yard, but for you to say Shanna could have prevented it and did not shows how much you know about the city you live and work in.

open mouth insert foot, Again !
You cant fix stupid !

M/V_Bear_II · 02-02-2009, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Channel Pirate

"The issue was left to be decided by City Planner Shanna Saunders, and because of the size of the clinic (less than 5,000 sq. feet) Shanna could make the decision on her own".

Nadia you have crossed the line again, Your last post about LP was a nightmare and now your naming city officials, your the best train wreck to happen to this forum ever.

I dont think anyone wants this clinic in our back yard, but for you to say Shanna could have prevented it and did not shows how much you know about the city you live and work in.

open mouth insert foot, Again !
You cant fix stupid !

First of all, "naming city officials" is nothing to be ashamed of. City officials deserve to have their actions scrutinized, for better or for worse.

Second, Nadia appeared to be discussing a regulatory distinction. Because the proposed business would occupy less than 5,000 s.f., Ms. Saunders could make a decision without convening a meeting of the Planning Board. Nadia's entire post seemed very straightforward and almost sounded transcribed from a newspaper article. Now, if you have information that her understanding of Ms. Saunders's powers is wrong, share it with us. If not, don't attack her for giving us information about a topic that may affect us.

Comments in other threads aside, she seems here to be simply asking for the opinions of others. Don't carry arguments from thread to thread without cause.

Nadia · 02-02-2009, 09:40 PM

Mr. V I'm glad you mentioned what you did. There has been major confusion regarding methadone's uses that causes people to come to invalid conclusions. It is used to treat heroin addiction as well as addiction to other opiod narcotics, and is also prescribed in tablet form as a long acting pain medication to those who suffer from chronic pain. There have been 8 deaths in the City of Laconia directly attributed to methadone toxicity or it's mixture with other narcotics. It is a drug that does not mix well with several other RX & OTC medications and alcohol. I'm almost sure all of the deaths were attributed to the tablet form of the drug being used by those to whom it was not prescribed. In the clinical setting patients are given a daily dose of liquid methadone which puts a halt on the ability to sell the medicine to others, although it is still possible. After meeting rigid guidelines set by the State and Fed's patients are allowed "take home or carry off" supplies of the drug. This may increase the sale of methadone on the streets but I think it is safe to draw the conclusion that many deaths are the result of the medicine being diverted, and not a direct fault of the clinic's.

AC2717 I used to live in South Boston when I was younger. I do not remember the area's you are making reference to but what I do remember is the guys always selling roses or washing your windshields in traffic. I was too young to understand why they were doing it but that statement brought back so many memories! Now I know what they're up to! The picture you drew was not a desirable one, hopefully the police intervention will prohibit this activity, that is horrible. Another thing Mr. V mentioned is these places do tend to attract "riff-raff". They may not be seeking treatment themselves, but this is a great place for drug dealers to hang out and increase sales unfortunately. The police patrol is a great deterance for most drug dealers as police attention could hurt their future sales!

Irish Mist there was a very interesting picture in the Laconia Daily Sun approximately one month ago. A woman had placed a large, handmade sign outside her home on North Main Street displaying "NO METH CLINIC". I do not think the surrounding residents are very happy. In fact I have not heard anyone so far who is total support. Most are either opposed or in the middle.

IShoot308 you bring up a very good question, and I would like to see those statistics as well. After this I intend to Google and see what the numbers really say. Although I did see a woman on the news from New Hampshire (Southern) who stated she had all the thanks she could give to her local clinic, her exact words were "If it were not for these clinics I would still be addicted to pain medicine and stuck in the putrid cycle of addiction". If anyone has any statistics please post. I have a family member who was not successful with this treatment but then again he was not successful with anything at all. The desire to clean his act up is not there, and that's important.

It is my observance that many people become addicted to the pain medications that are prescribed to them. It has gone completely awry. I work in a local pharmacy as a technician and some of the behavior I observe from patients being treated with these types of drugs is problematic to say the least. I really don't think these drugs are worth their side effects, and I think the ratio of people who become addicted to them and the problems that result render them more of a problem then a solution.

Channel Pilot I posted a summation of various newspaper/online articles that I have read without any opinion integrated whatsoever. I did not imply that Shanna Saunders was at fault or could/should have prevented this. I think this conversation is a little too complex for you to understand

Seaplane Pilot how are you? And the lovely Misses? Please tell her I said hello! I haven't seen/spoken in so long! Thank you to you and M/V Bear II as well.

AC2717 · 02-02-2009, 11:46 PM

Hi Nadia,
If you remember the Round Hotel down near the Mass Ave entrance to rt 93?
That the area, i am sure you know it because you remember the guys selling roses, not even wrapped.

If you continue down Mass ave towards the city, it is, was, right there on the corner on your right side before you take the right to the entrance to Boston Medical. the dark red brick bldg siting sideways with the fenced in walkway is how you get int, much like a Prison walkway through a yard, not saying the one in Laconia is this way. you drive by there during the day, there are people of the "riff-raff" type there sitting on the side walk the stairs, roaming around all day. My in laws are from Southie, where abouts did you live? My wife's family is from the Thomas Park area.

Residents of Laconia PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CALL YOUR REPS TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING, it is not something you want to Welcome in your Neighborhood, it is like said above from other, you know there will be an increase in drugs in the area, preying on those that are week and unfortunate

Channel Pirate · 02-03-2009, 12:00 AM

I will have to appologize for my rant. Maybe it is to complex for me to understand, or maybe I have a inside scoop and I hate to see the finger pointed at officials who's hands are tied by leagal obligation.(hence my anger)
You never know who is behind a screen name

Mr. V · 02-03-2009, 12:17 AM

It is very, very difficult to "kick" from heroin, oxycodone or other narcotics under the best of circumstances.

The rate of recidivism is shockingly high.

Just think of the "A-list" celebrities that have all the money in the world, and they are in and out of rehab.

There is a fundamental flaw, for lack of a better word, in "the human condition" which draws people to narcotics.

You can have it all, and yet, you ache for something ... more ...

Methadone clinics are a necessary prop for modern American society, like it or not.

It is better to have some tranquil junkie residents getting their daily fix of methadone in town than to have them unmedicated, breaking, entering, and burglarizing to get their next fix.

When chasing the dragon, the dragon always wins.

Resident 2B · 02-03-2009, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nadia

I think this conversation is a little too complex for you to understand

Is there a better way to respond to people?? I believe there is. This forum is what it is because posters respect each other.

R2B

Channel Pirate · 02-03-2009, 12:27 AM

You all should have been at city hall for the real forum on this subject.
To little to late.

My apologies to Nadia again.

Nadia · 02-03-2009, 02:37 AM

Channel Pilot, apologies accepted

If it's worth it to you, can you share what happened at the meetings you attended? I think that is great input for the conversation as the clinic's proposal was not the only issue in contention. Other issues were that Shanna Saunders was pretty much forced into making this decision on her own, and that the public outcry was not taken into consideration whatsoever. How could it be really? Furthermore in the future, issues that are similar in nature or draw much public & official controversy should be put in front of the entire planning board, and they were pushing for legislation that states so, not dumped on one person, regardless of sq. footage. Shanna Saunders was left to make a big decision and for what it's worth I respect her decision tremendously. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Her decision reflects a respect and compassion for those seeking treatment, and a concern for public safety and the impact the clinic has on residents and it's surroundings in my opinion

VitaBene · 02-03-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Resident 2B

Is there a better way to respond to people?? I believe there is. This forum is what it is because posters respect each other.

R2B

R2B, Channel Pilots post was edited, please look up a few from yours (M/V Bears) to see his/her original post- it was not respectful either.

Resident 2B · 02-03-2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitaBene

R2B, Channel Pilots post was edited, please look up a few from yours (M/V Bears) to see his/her original post- it was not respectful either.

Dear Nadia,

Sorry for jumping without all the facts. I did not see the edited message. I responded by viewing what I could see.

Thanks VitaBene for your input. I appreciate it!

R2B

02-01-2009, 01:56 AM	#1
Channel Pirate Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Weirs Beach (full time) Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Nadia Again ? "The issue was left to be decided by City Planner Shanna Saunders, and because of the size of the clinic (less than 5,000 sq. feet) Shanna could make the decision on her own". I dont think anyone wants this clinic in our back yard, but for you to say Shanna could have prevented it and did not shows how much you know about the city you live and work in. Last edited by Channel Pirate; 02-03-2009 at 12:08 AM.

02-02-2009, 11:46 PM	#5
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,616 Thanks: 756 Thanked 369 Times in 277 Posts	Hi Nadia, If you remember the Round Hotel down near the Mass Ave entrance to rt 93? That the area, i am sure you know it because you remember the guys selling roses, not even wrapped. If you continue down Mass ave towards the city, it is, was, right there on the corner on your right side before you take the right to the entrance to Boston Medical. the dark red brick bldg siting sideways with the fenced in walkway is how you get int, much like a Prison walkway through a yard, not saying the one in Laconia is this way. you drive by there during the day, there are people of the "riff-raff" type there sitting on the side walk the stairs, roaming around all day. My in laws are from Southie, where abouts did you live? My wife's family is from the Thomas Park area. Residents of Laconia PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CALL YOUR REPS TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING, it is not something you want to Welcome in your Neighborhood, it is like said above from other, you know there will be an increase in drugs in the area, preying on those that are week and unfortunate __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

02-03-2009, 02:37 AM	#10
Nadia Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Laconia/Vegas/Florida Posts: 160 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 24 Thanked 19 Times in 10 Posts	Thank You Channel Pilot, apologies accepted If it's worth it to you, can you share what happened at the meetings you attended? I think that is great input for the conversation as the clinic's proposal was not the only issue in contention. Other issues were that Shanna Saunders was pretty much forced into making this decision on her own, and that the public outcry was not taken into consideration whatsoever. How could it be really? Furthermore in the future, issues that are similar in nature or draw much public & official controversy should be put in front of the entire planning board, and they were pushing for legislation that states so, not dumped on one person, regardless of sq. footage. Shanna Saunders was left to make a big decision and for what it's worth I respect her decision tremendously. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Her decision reflects a respect and compassion for those seeking treatment, and a concern for public safety and the impact the clinic has on residents and it's surroundings in my opinion

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02-02-2009, 09:40 PM	#4
Nadia Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Laconia/Vegas/Florida Posts: 160 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 24 Thanked 19 Times in 10 Posts	Mr. V I'm glad you mentioned what you did. There has been major confusion regarding methadone's uses that causes people to come to invalid conclusions. It is used to treat heroin addiction as well as addiction to other opiod narcotics, and is also prescribed in tablet form as a long acting pain medication to those who suffer from chronic pain. There have been 8 deaths in the City of Laconia directly attributed to methadone toxicity or it's mixture with other narcotics. It is a drug that does not mix well with several other RX & OTC medications and alcohol. I'm almost sure all of the deaths were attributed to the tablet form of the drug being used by those to whom it was not prescribed. In the clinical setting patients are given a daily dose of liquid methadone which puts a halt on the ability to sell the medicine to others, although it is still possible. After meeting rigid guidelines set by the State and Fed's patients are allowed "take home or carry off" supplies of the drug. This may increase the sale of methadone on the streets but I think it is safe to draw the conclusion that many deaths are the result of the medicine being diverted, and not a direct fault of the clinic's. AC2717 I used to live in South Boston when I was younger. I do not remember the area's you are making reference to but what I do remember is the guys always selling roses or washing your windshields in traffic. I was too young to understand why they were doing it but that statement brought back so many memories! Now I know what they're up to! The picture you drew was not a desirable one, hopefully the police intervention will prohibit this activity, that is horrible. Another thing Mr. V mentioned is these places do tend to attract "riff-raff". They may not be seeking treatment themselves, but this is a great place for drug dealers to hang out and increase sales unfortunately. The police patrol is a great deterance for most drug dealers as police attention could hurt their future sales! Irish Mist there was a very interesting picture in the Laconia Daily Sun approximately one month ago. A woman had placed a large, handmade sign outside her home on North Main Street displaying "NO METH CLINIC". I do not think the surrounding residents are very happy. In fact I have not heard anyone so far who is total support. Most are either opposed or in the middle. IShoot308 you bring up a very good question, and I would like to see those statistics as well. After this I intend to Google and see what the numbers really say. Although I did see a woman on the news from New Hampshire (Southern) who stated she had all the thanks she could give to her local clinic, her exact words were "If it were not for these clinics I would still be addicted to pain medicine and stuck in the putrid cycle of addiction". If anyone has any statistics please post. I have a family member who was not successful with this treatment but then again he was not successful with anything at all. The desire to clean his act up is not there, and that's important. It is my observance that many people become addicted to the pain medications that are prescribed to them. It has gone completely awry. I work in a local pharmacy as a technician and some of the behavior I observe from patients being treated with these types of drugs is problematic to say the least. I really don't think these drugs are worth their side effects, and I think the ratio of people who become addicted to them and the problems that result render them more of a problem then a solution. Channel Pilot I posted a summation of various newspaper/online articles that I have read without any opinion integrated whatsoever. I did not imply that Shanna Saunders was at fault or could/should have prevented this. I think this conversation is a little too complex for you to understand Seaplane Pilot how are you? And the lovely Misses? Please tell her I said hello! I haven't seen/spoken in so long! Thank you to you and M/V Bear II as well.

02-03-2009, 12:00 AM	#6
Channel Pirate Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Weirs Beach (full time) Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	I will have to appologize for my rant. Maybe it is to complex for me to understand, or maybe I have a inside scoop and I hate to see the finger pointed at officials who's hands are tied by leagal obligation.(hence my anger) You never know who is behind a screen name

02-03-2009, 12:17 AM	#7
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,477 Thanks: 68 Thanked 265 Times in 182 Posts	It is very, very difficult to "kick" from heroin, oxycodone or other narcotics under the best of circumstances. The rate of recidivism is shockingly high. Just think of the "A-list" celebrities that have all the money in the world, and they are in and out of rehab. There is a fundamental flaw, for lack of a better word, in "the human condition" which draws people to narcotics. You can have it all, and yet, you ache for something ... more ... Methadone clinics are a necessary prop for modern American society, like it or not. It is better to have some tranquil junkie residents getting their daily fix of methadone in town than to have them unmedicated, breaking, entering, and burglarizing to get their next fix. When chasing the dragon, the dragon always wins.

02-03-2009, 12:27 AM	#9
Channel Pirate Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Weirs Beach (full time) Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	You all should have been at city hall for the real forum on this subject. To little to late. My apologies to Nadia again.